Why is her music considered avant-garde?

why is her music considered avant-garde?
serious question

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cause shes fuckin hot
im growing tired of the same 4 pics tho (you know what im talkin about)...she needs to cut to the chase

Name another popular artist who plays the harp on 10 plus minute songs within concept albums about time travel.

i'm afraid i don't but i wouldn't mind finding out t b h

i see your point.

it was avant folk, not avantgarde

it was taking folk aesthetic and expanding the compositions both in length and complexity

Because she sings like a Guinea Pig getting stepped on

omg so cool!!! shes so smart and free thinking

>why is her music considered avant-garde?
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no one with a brain considers her music to be avant-garde
you're confused

Xeena Parkins

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It is?

i love her singing voice but this made me lel

its slightly experimental folk but entirely remaining in conventions of popular song. not avant garde....

I don't know about avant-garde, but Ys does experiment with traditional song structure and whatnot in a pretty noticeable way.

"popular"
no 1 cares about this flop whore

There's bad folk pop but there's also good folk like Sufjan Stevens and Joanna Newsom who are very creative and aren't aimed at masses.
Avant-garde I dunno, very enjoyable anyway.
I don't think she'd claim being avant-garde even if she might be, depending on how you define it.

agree
t. fellow sufjan / joanna lover

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Makes sense. She's avant-garde within the genres she usually plays but not avant-garde in general.

I mean, she doesn't write her own wikipedia. I hope nobody does that.

Why is she not avant-garde?

On Ys her soprano vocal delivery verges on the absurd, her lyrics flow in a stream-of-consciousness kind of way, she uses polyrhythms and employs plenty of time signature changes within the same compositions, and also breaks all typical song structures. It's a boundary-pushing record.

That fits the definition of avant-garde to me.
Sure, she has written a few slightly conventional folk songs, but Ys is highly experimental, no matter how you look at it (vocals, melodies, instrumentation, lyrics).

Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. Ys is kinda like «progressive folk». Which is odd because traditional music doesn't tend to renew itself due to its very nature.

Her voice is a meme.

None of those things are avant-garde. They're slightly unconventional for a pop context but I don't think anyone really views her as working within a pop context anyways.

Ys is an incredible record but its not fucking "highly experimental" you retard.

>On Ys her soprano vocal delivery verges on the absurd

like lol what the fuck does that even mean? What is absurd about it? She works pretty comfortably inside of a soprano, occasionally even alto-ey range. If you're talking about the few moments where she cracks up her voice, then that's still not particularly boundary pushing. Yeah she has an unconventional vocal delivery but even that is firmly rooted in the Appalachian folk stuff she listened to, not at all avant garde.

Seriously you have no clue what you're talking about. Stop making other Joanna fans look bad.

the meadowlark and the chimchiree and the spaaaaarrrrroooowww

oh and her lyrics are not stream-of-consciousness at fucking all. She has a pretty formalist approach to lyrics, and they often even have multiple different consciousness competing within them.

It seriously seems like you just threw together a bunch of words you've seen reviewers use without actually understanding them. Don't fucking do that.

>None of those things are avant-garde
Go ahead and explain to me why they aren't avant-garde in the context of music.

>Ys is an incredible record but its not fucking "highly experimental" you retard.
Except it objectively is, and you calling me a retard won't change that.

>She has an unconventional vocal delivery but even that is firmly rooted in the Appalachian folk
I'll give you a week to find at least 3 Appalachian folk singers whose vocal quirks come close to Joanna's.

>Seriously you have no clue what you're talking about
And I'm supposed to think you do just because you're negating everything I said without offering any further explanations.

>her lyrics are not stream-of-consciousness at fucking all.
That's how I read them.

>they often even have multiple different consciousness competing within them.
That's how you read them.

>It seriously seems like you just threw together a bunch of words
It's funny because to me it seems like you just did the same.

>you will never see joanna newsom porn

Joanna is the pinnacle of wholesomeness. She has the comfiest lyrics too.

she does, but that only fuels my fantasies desu

she got a pussy, pussy and slightly complex = avant garde (more like avant gard-a-clue heh)

Reminder that Go Long has the second greatest melody in music.

They're not avant-garde because all of those characteristics can be found aplenty in music that doesn't strictly adhere to pop conventions, especially classical. Like are you fucking kidding me, "polyrhythms and employ[ing] plenty of time signature changes within the same compositions" is avant-garde"? The fucking Beatles did that. Her song structure is unconventional for some contemporary singer-songwriter standards but even that is built off of what 70's folk acts like Roy Harper, Joni Mitchell, Comus, Van Morrison, Tim Buckley or even John Fahey have done before. It might have been more appropriate to call it avant-garde then, but certainly not now.

And to listen to pic related if you're interested in hearing the sources of some of her vocal qualities. She herself cites Appalachian type folk music as being the basis for her voice, this is not a controversial claim to make.

>>her lyrics are not stream-of-consciousness at fucking all.
>That's how I read them.

No. Saying that something set to verse is stream-of-consciousness is not a reading of the work, it is a description. Ulysses is written in a stream-of-consciousness way. That's not an interpretation, that's just what it is. What she is doing is fundamentally different from stream-of-consciousness writing, you can't just say that because the lyrics flow well.

Again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Stop. There is plenty to praise in Joanna's music, don't just make shit up.

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Go Long and In California/Does Not Suffice are tied for me. What's your number 1?

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My number one melody in all of music is Auld Lang Syne, but for Joanna it's Go Long followed by the "Fire moves away, son" from Only Skin.

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she sings like the puppets from Mister Rogers' Neighborhood and the PR company for her record label don't want to just label it "shit" so they sell her as "avant-garde"

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JEWED

she is very pretty

Jackrabbits is underrated. UNDERRATED!

>Joanna Newsom is married to the star of Space Chimps and Hotel Transylvania 2
This makes me really mad.

Should've used this one.

Do you have a favorite recording of Auld Lang Syne? I find it hard to compare melodies when I really love Go Long but I've only heard shitty versions of ALS.

youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o

The packed out Sydney Opera House says differently, in a country she visits twice a decade.

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At least i know i can satisfy her sexually

Can we PLEASE get the Joanna Nudesom, please.

SHEKELED
GOLDSTEIN'D
HANNUKAH'D

I usually belt out the end bits

LOVE YOU AGAIN
LOVE YOU AGAIN
LOVE YOU AGAIN
LO-O-O-VE YOU AGAIN

STOP. SHE IS NOT SOME POP MUSIC WHORE.
Stop jerking off and post wholesome Joanna lyrics.

>All the way to the thing we've been playing at, darlin'
>I can see that you're wearing your staying hat, darlin'
>For the time being all is well
>Won't you love me a spell?

Forgot wholesome pic, very important.

severely worrying lack of understanding

By whom?
It's just baroque pop with quirky singing

who hurt you user?

it's not. i've never heard anybody call her music avant-garde

Not avant-garde but postmodern

Everyone

I will never marry because no other woman can be Joanna Newsom. Fuck you Andy. Fuck you.

Her voice sounds like she's 12, which probably explains why this site likes her so much

PoST THE WEBM

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>Wikipedia
>a good source on music genres
pick one

Its only considered avant garde for popular music.

Mostly due to form, lyrics and wordsetting.
instrumentation is somewhat unique as well for popular music.

>mfw she goes ham @ 7:30

>Spouse(s): Andy Samberg
holy shit what

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I don't belong to anyone
My heart is heavy as an oil drum
And I don't want to be alone
My heart is yellow as an ear of corn
And I have torn my soul apart, from
Pulling artlessly with fool commands

this part from 'In California' is probably one of the greatest music achievments

>avant-garde
>a genre
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