New season 3 Bojack Horseman thread because there's lots to discuss

New season 3 Bojack Horseman thread because there's lots to discuss.

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this show is for pseudointellectuals

Daily reminder that Zen Snow Monkey's running advice is solid. If you do something long enough, good or bad, it will become easier in some sense. And it will shape and define you. I'm honestly just sad that it seems that Bojack not only stopped trying to change, but he's completely forgotten the advice entirely.

But now he's going to run with the horses, I guess.

thanks for linking to the old thread now I can finally read all those posts without being able to respond to them. That's why I post on a message board because I absolutely love reading posts late and unable to respond to them haha X^D

In a sense he's still following the advice - which is basically form a habit and it will define you - he's just not forming good habits.

>He dosent know how to link to old threads

I linked the old thread so that the people in the old thread who were having a dozen different conversations can continue.

>The tweaked ending song for that one episode
It's the little things that make Bojack so good.

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What did you guys think of this season?

I really liked the show, but this season just felt....lame. like, this season Bojack just has no personality, no change, and no goals. It was one whole season of just him moping, which would be fine if season 2 wasnt already like that.

The only part i genuinely enjoyed was how he seemed to have actually changed the way he was with Todd, but even then he undoes it again at the end.

Also, what the fuck was up with spider lady? Ending of s2 mentions her as well as bojacks other shows as if it were some huge deal, but shes hardly involved and the other show wasnt even worth mentioning.

I think the writers tried to compensate with cleverness & irony for what they lacked in profundity and depth.

>Bojack just has no personality, no change, and no goals

You're completely missing the point of the show. In the previous seasons Bojack was working toward a goal, like getting out his memoir and trying to get cast as Secretariat. Both of them succeeded. In the third season it was trying to get nominated and win an Oscar but in the end he wasn't nominated which caused him to self destruct and be a complete dick toward everyone
Also the series gets more gloomy with each season. The eleventh episode of this season was definitely the hardest hitting of them all

Yeah, the whole Jill Pill plot device was fucking stupid and led nowhere.

Well Bojack did manage to burn every bridge he had left and kill the closest thing he had to a friend/lover.

In season 4, his daughter will either pull him back from the brink or he'll be toxic, fuck her up and then it's auto-erotic asphyxiation time.

>2007 episode
>i remember it all, couldn't have been that long ago
>it was
On the bright side Diane's haircut made by penis hard

Best season yet.

watching it right now. they do such a good job making it seem like a freakishly long time ago.

"You can't keep doing this! You can't keep doing shitty things and then feel bad about yourself like that makes it okay, you need to be better!"

"Bojack, just stop. You are all the things that are wrong with you. It's not the alcohol or the drugs or any of the shitty things that happened to you in your career or when you were a kid. It's you. Alright.. it's you..... Fuck man, what else is there to say."

Get your own place you asexual NEET

Unfortunately, the writers of Bojack have nothing to say.

The entire show is just fetishizing depression. Saddness porn intermixed with animal puns & cheap ironic commentary.

What did the shaking blackout sequence mean?

So Season 2 ends with running monkey advice. Bojack idolizes and plays the role of an athlete. And then we get the season 3 ending.

When will Bojack stop running...and start running

He was always running. When Secretariat stopped running he jumped off a bridge.

Next season he's going to drop the actor thing altogether and become a racehorse just like his idol. Then the season will end with him killing himself just like his idol.

I honestly thought they are using the same formula now. Bojack can fuck friendships with a single "no" instead of actually having more dialogue or things involved.

talking how she fired Princess Caroline

this depressed me

holy shit almost 10 years already flew by

Excellent bait. Vintage.

>You gotta use parallel joints to support that foundation, dumbshit!

Mfw I just got that joke

Yeah, I felt like instead of one big devestating thing that was built up, it was a bunch of small little things that were all awful.

Disappointed by the lame ending music to the season finale. Both Season 1 and Season 2 had great music. This one sucked.

He does. He doesn't need Bojack anymore.

He's broke again when he gives away his 8 million dollars.

They're probably actually going to roll with it too and not ask for his money back. Dumb faggot show

That was so fucking good.

Bojack has more continuity than in sitcom ever... Todd is mostly a comic relief character, but it would be pretty lame if they didn't return to him accidentally leaving an 8 million dollar tip.

I'd hardly call a solid example that her dreams were real and she had done research into architecture a joke, user.

Subtle, though, wasn't it?

I missed it. What was the joke?

It would have been subtle and genius if they had sprinkled those jokes out throughout the entire show. No, suddenly in Season 3 she has an architectural interest and a good deal of knowledge in that field. Writers invented it for Season 3. That's what separates them from truly excellent character arcs.

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I'm not sure it was really a joke. It was just subtle a callback to her dreams of being an architect.

episode 4 is kino

They mentioned it once in season 1. Also, the Prickly Muffin music video being filmed in a planetarium was a nice touch.

Of course it's a fucking joke. The joke is that this girl who's been portrayed as a pampered rich idiot actually is a real person with dreams and aspirations and at some point probably had the potential to fulfill them... um, that's the depressing part. The joke is that she says something intelligent in a silly situation about a playhouse getting wrecked.

The underwater Lost in Translation episode is probably the best original anything NF has ever produced.
I'd re-sub if I didn't absolutely hate everything else.

To elaborate, on your point. One of the primary plot points in Bojack is that despite success and achieving his goals he is never fulfilled because he is ultimately a terrible and terribly broken person.

He'll never be happy.

Also, the irony of this season was that he was how upset he was for not winning an oscar for a movie he wasn't even in.

He had deluded himself so much and clung to it so hard that he ends up going on a week or so long bender when he didn't get it, but in truth it was never even his to win to begin with.

>week long bender
The bender with Sarah Lynn lasted 44 days.

2 > 1 > 3

Thoughts?

Agreed but only because pretty much the first half of the first season is garbage but the second half is the best the show has been. Averages it out. If all of it was as good as the second half I would undoubtedly rank season 1 as the best

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who saw the Lost in Translation parallel. I had put that episode on in the background and ended up captivated by it.

As much as I hate to use the word in reference to a TV show, it was pretty brave to make a surreal 25 minute nearly wordless episode of what was very atypical of the others. Easily one of the best episodes of Bojack.

Jesus, no wonder she died. They had done enough drugs to kill a pop star.

Yeah. 3 was good, no doubt, but 2 hit like a truck. 1 didn't have the benefit of having the world and the characters set up.

I thought it was brave, but it didn't really work for me. People seem to either love it or think it was just mediocre.

It's also kind of a stretch to say it's a reference to LiT, aside from the fact that it's a celebrity in a foreign country struggling with the language and culture, which is an unfair reduction of LiT that's a trope which had been done many times prior.

2 put me in a funk for days, that shit was heavy.

And no one even cared if Bojack was around or not. Man that must be depressing.

She was used to benders. The irony is that what finally killed her was a drug literally named after Bojack.

episode 4
Emmy?

Bojack is a bad person and deserves everything bad that happens to him.

For me it was the music, something about the music just kind of hit that chord with me.

At this point I have to agree. He's got good in him, but it only ever shows up after it's too late. It's like Todd said, you can't just keep doing shitty things and expect to be forgiven because you feel bad about it.

Tom Hardy (who is a cat) deserved the Oscar desu

It had atmosphere and a distinctive feel to it, I just found the Charlie Chaplin physical humor of him trying to return the seahorse baby overly long and not very entertaining.

I wonder how many other children Bojack has since in the abortion episode he mentioned that he paid for a lot of abortions, then said he hopes that the women didn't just take the money and run

>Memejack Reddithorse

Take your forced feels and go.

>Bojack is going to kill me
Holy shit, it was there all along.

I think anyone can enjoy it, but yeah there will be people who think just because they understand what it means that their tastes are somehow better.

>he's got good in him

A huge part of the show is that people are defined by their actions. When he asks Diane to tell him that he's good deep down and she doesn't have an answer, that really sums it up. Sometimes he tries to do good things and act with good intentions, and the point is that's all that matters; that's who he is, and he has to deal with the consequences of the decisions he actually makes.

And again, that Sartre 101, which I truly believe is the philosophy being used throughout the show.

it really reminded me of the music in The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou

>HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

Seriously I couldn't not think of that scene when he said this.

Bros....I didn't feel anything this season. Is this it for me?

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Honestly, judging solely from Bojack threads on Sup Forums, I think much of the jokes and "intellectualism" goes over the heads of many people. I'll agree that you don't have to be depressed to relate - which seems to be the main criticism - but it does take a little bit of life experience (having lived on your own and tried to be a grownup, most of all) to empathize with most of the situations and understand the emotions.

I've been thinking about the Abortion episode and how hamfisted it was but I realized the irony of it. Reviewers are gonna call it one of the best episodes and praise the show for being so "brave" to talk about it just like they brought up in universe

Yeah I'm still fairly young so most of this will have more impact/relevance once I'm out their on my own.

How many layers of irony are we on now?

BRAP BRAP PEW PEW
GET THAT FETUS
KILL THAT FETUS

Reminder that the mouse Princess Carolyne is dating has toxoplasma gondii, that's why he's not disgusted by her.
He'll get treated in S4 and abandon her.

>Reviewers are gonna call it one of the best episodes and praise the show for being so "brave"

Doubt it. It wasn't one of the strongest episodes and the abortion was hardly even made an issue. Aside from a 3 second shot of some protesters nobody in the episode even problematized the issue; it was just treated as a scary experience that's completely okay, but difficult for women to have to go through.

It was spun off as a fourth wall breaking heroin joke. When it really was a flashback that happened before the scene he visits her with the script in the dressing room.

He remembered how shit he treated her back then and wanted to make amends by going to the observatory.

the whole "white male experts" was literal sjw pandering.

Not before she secures that Stilton alimony and can afford to sell her agency and try, once again, to find happiness despite only being happy running around putting out fires.

That was a one-off, 10 second joke that could relate to the hypocrisy surrounding any social issue and people who haven't experienced it weighing in as though they're experts.

Having fucked up more than a few things in my life, I couldn't agree more.

Watching this show just makes me question every relationship, every friendship, and every aspect of the past 10 or so years of my life.

It just makes me introspective as hell and season 2 hit especially hard.

"I will fucking kill you" hit so hard because I've made dumb mistakes and have been talked to in that exact tone by people I cared about, and it's hard to imagine it having anywhere near the same weight if you can't relate to a situation like that.

Eh, that's a stretch.

You have to admit there's some absurdity in real world abortion debates where senators are literally saying shit like a woman's body has the ability to self-abort in instances of rape.

SJWs can be annoying as shit, but I don't see this as an SJW topic. It's just a woman topic that primarily only effects women, and yet some of the people making decisions on it don't even have a working knowledge of basic biology.

NO
YOU DON'T GET IT
THAT MEANS THEY'RE LITERALLY SJWS AND LIBKEKS AND LOVE THE BBC! DON'T YOU GET IT? Sup Forums IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!

I don't care and I don't make a big deal about it but the writers are definitely liberals, there's no denying that. They constantly shit on guns and had several "America and its mass shootings" jokes.

This guy actually says it better.

I forgot about that issue with whatever politician actually making the claim that a woman's body wont get pregnant if she doesn't want to or whatever that was.

libcucks on suicide watch

toppest of keks

>the writers are definitely liberals

I don't get why so many people make a big deal out of this like it's a bad thing. At this point being liberal basically just means you're for change, be it taking away the right to shoot Mexicans or allowing women to abort babies when they're not in a position to give them a good life.

Anyway, Sup Forums shit should stay on Sup Forums, and of fucking course a Hollywood show, made by a bunch of Hollywood types, about a bunch of Hollywoo celebrities is going to have a liberal slant. Stick to the Texas film industry if that's more your speed.

I was disappointed with the first few episodes , but thought they really pulled it together in the end.

>it's time for change
Lol. Get fucked faggot.

How's that gun control working in France and Germany bro?

This is literally the "normal person" draw.

You're so badass and alpha dude. I can assure you everyone's very impressed with your rhetoric around here.

>there were some shootings therefore everyone should have a gun

I'm not even anti-gun but it's this kind of shit logic that makes Sup Forums a containment board.

In general Europe tends to be much safer than America when it comes to murders, so overall it's working.

That being said, I'm not for strong gun control. I'm pretty damn liberal, but am absolutely for gun rights. Everyone should have the right to defend themselves or just shoot guns for fun, whatever floats your boat.

I'm pretty content with the amount of gun control we have in the country as-is and feel that everything recently has simply been reactionary and pointing to the effect rather than the cause of the actual problem.

No, the fact is gun control has nothing to do with shootings and "gun violence". Europe didn't have a problem with mass shootings happening twice a week until it started importing hundreds of thousands of middle easterners in the last two years. A homogeneous population had no reason to resort to violence. Gun control was not the reason Europe wasn't violent.

The entire LA Gazette closer/therapist thing made no sense to me.

Was it just a telemarketing joke combined with yet another joke about how physical print publishing is becoming obsolete? It just seemed odd, and I'm guessing they're waiting to do a big twist reveal of who the closer really is next season.

I thought they were going to reveal the identity of the closer by the end of the episode.

I don't feel like there's anything to reveal.

The Closer is some kind of elite telemarketer who apparently knows all the strings to pull in order to get subscriptions. That seems to be about as far as it goes. What more is there to show? We know she's voiced by Betty White, but what can a full reveal possibly do?

It's just an extended joke that gets some hearty exposition from Bojack.

Honestly I thought it was going to be his mother.

I'm not a robot Sup Forums

>it was going to be his mother.

It seemed like it was leading up to this kind of big reveal, or at least introducing a new character form Bojack's past.