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Hi chums what's happening?

Your argument actually has merit. But the reason people are "reeing" is because you're saying one or two sentences about that ep, without explainong further.
>totally plotless

Oh, there's a plot. The plot is that the Doctor is locked in a maze, both an external maze of his doing, and an internal maze of his mind. His determination has gotten to an obssessive level, and that's the only thing keeping him going.

>horribly over-contrived

You've got a point. The Time Lords' plan doesn't actually make sense. And you can say "It was the Hybrid", but we've barely heard of the Hybrid until this season. We've neve been shown why the Hybrid suddenly scares the Time Lords now, of all times (what happened to the fear of reprisal from other alien races? It would make more sense for them to be afraid of that. Why didn't they stop after the first few hundred times the Doctor died? How did they knew that he knew about the Hybrid? How the heck did Davros know? Seriously, since when has Davros known nor cared about Gallifreyan urban legends? Does he also know about Bigfoot?)

But really, none of that matters. Because:

>mawkish

This episode is not about the plot.

Heaven Sent is almost a poem. The entire setting is a place of death. The Doctor is all alone, without any of his friends. The only painting is a memento mori--a reminder of his friend's death. He is alone with his rage, and his guilt, and his sadness. The only way to escape is to reveal all his secrets. But he won't, and he can't. So he literally bust through the wall of his mental prison, ending it with a reversal of a proverb, that focuses on determination rather than futility and obssession.

(Cont)

You seemed to not like when I said implied that this is proof that "Doctor Who lives up to its full potential." I didn't mean that Who should always be this. But

Chris-Chan was a doctor?

Just thinking about how much I love Capaldi's Doctor. Don't you agree, Gareth? The late Moffat era is so much better than the shitty Williams era.

How much do you reckon It's insured for? Like J-lo got her bottom insured for 25 mil. It's his greatest asset.
Nothing much Gar-bear, just having lunch and shitposting. How are you?

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interesting

That's one i've not seen before. Bravo user!

Different user but "triumphing no matter the cost" is something any sufficiently motivated/overpowered fictional character can do.
Doctor Who is more about finding unusual solutions. Which the Doctor certainly does do in Heaven Sent, but at no point in the episode is his ability to traverse anywhere in space and time, his ability to change people's perspective, or his creativity called into focus. The potential of Doctor Who is that it lets him go anywhere and interact with any kind of person, and Heaven Sent is by design a story where that isn't happening.
It's an absolutely fantastic special episode, and the fact Doctor Who can do an episode like it is a great strength. But it would be a problem if most episodes were like that. It is only concentrated on the idea of 'winning' at a mechanical game.

I don't think that picture is quite fair since it's from him playing the Doctor pretending to be John Smith and therefore deliberately overacting to a degree.

Yeah, this is gonna be some random weird foot vid

>click

Oh.

Well, time to add Skin Diamond to the "unofficial Doctor" list. Should she be added to the wiki?

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Oh, well this one then?

>We've neve been shown why the Hybrid suddenly scares the Time Lords now, of all times (what happened to the fear of reprisal from other alien races? It would make more sense for them to be afraid of that.
I think the idea is that's done with. Now they've escaped into the universe without anyone noticing, the Hybrid is literally the last remaining thing on the list before they are basically carefree.

When is that from?

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I want to grill this book with cheese.

I'm thinking utopia maybe?

Planet Of The Ood

But Gareth loves jews.

Boiled or fried?

There you go.

What's the oldest piece of Doctor who merchandise that you own?

>story about Shakespeare disappearing from history through a "crack in time"
Wow, how much of a hack is Moffat?

A physical copy of The Marian Conspiracy signed by the main cast.

Wasn't there a meme once involving this gif? I remember something with Jack? Having deja vu.

Just watching The Unicorn and the Wasp, Gareth! What an amazing story! So clever and intricately planned and plotted.
You know what, why don't the BBC give Gareth Roberts his own detective show? He's a talent!

William Hartnell

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The oldest DW item age wise, or the very first DW thing bought?

Age wise = a dapol figure set from the 80s
First merch bought = Sycorax leader action figure from 2005

What's a poem that reminds you of Doctor Who, /who/?

>poetry
What are you a fag?

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fake and gay

If there ain't no link then I ain't buyin it.

You know nobody's ever going to believe this shit without a link, right?
Also that title is shit.

I've looked through my folders and I can't really find anything, nor do I really remember it. So i can't be of any help, sorry.

>Shakespeare
>Having a go at Moffat

Hi Gareth.

Turns out the Quantum Archangel has a shitton of backstory about the "Millennium War" that involved a bunch of different species, both familiar and unknown:
>the Constructors of Destiny (???)
>the Xeraphin (Time-Flight)
>the Daemons (The Daemons)
>the Osirians (The Pyramids of Mars)
>the Euterpians (Invasion of the Cat-People)
>the Greld (The Empire of Glass)
>the Semquess (The Eye of the Giant)
>the Omnethoth (The Fall of Yquatine)
>the Kastrians (The Hand of Fear)
>the Exxilons (Death to the Daleks)
>the Uxariean (Colony in Space)
>the Sontarans and Rutans
>the Grey Hegemony (???)
>the Influence of Light (???)
>the Time Lords, led by Rassilon
>Faction Paradox
>the Maskmakers of the Pageant (???)
>the Ministers of Grace (???)
The last four all banded together to finally defeat the threat.

... so ... umm ... what the fuck? Do we have any headcanons for this? Lots of extremely powerful, extremely unknown time-active factions ...

Ten wasn't THAT bad. Thankfully, series 4 redeemed the awfulness of seasons 2 & 3 (Girl in Fireplace and Blink excluded).

I liked Waters of Mars too.

Sounds like fanwank porn. I like it.

That was Craig Hinton for you, who literally coined the term "fanwank." The wonderful thing is that he actually managed to still make great stories.

May he rest in peace.

Agree user.

Many eps are divisive, but HS isn't one of them. The majority liked it, a minority did not.

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When did he coin this term? I've never heard that attributed to him even when he was alive.

Millenium War.. rings a bell..

There are a few other interesting elements in Quantum Archangel. For instance, the Cybermen are the Time Lords' greatest ally, per what Gallifrey thinks in "The World Shapers", until the Enemy changes their past.

Speaking of the War in Heaven, the Crystal Bucephalus in Hinton's eponymous novel is built on the ruins of Gallifrey that Cousin Justine visits in Dead Romance. Whoda thunk.

Cousin Justine...is that the clone from Dead Romance? How did we ever learn that they were the same person? Was it in an audio , or something?

I read it somewhere. Might have been apocryphal.

>Cousin Justine
That's actually Cousin "Eliza".

There are several hints in the FP audios.

tru tru

So wait, Justine is in Alien Bodies, and Eliza is in Dead Romance? Is that how that works?

Yup.

And both of those books begin before the first audio.

The timeline of the War gives me a headache.

Does anyone have the Fourth Doctor DWM comic, "THE DEAL"? It's not in the comics mega.

Well, it's perfectly linear in this case. "Eliza" goes through the events of the novel and later turns up in the Eleven-Day Empire as a Faction recruit. Same for Justine, the audios are some time after Alien Bodies for her.

There might be a bit of confusion because the ruined Gallifrey in Dead Romance wasn't supposed to be the one involved in the War in Heaven, but rather the one inside I.M. Foreman's bottle universe from Interference. Though Larry later gave up on the whole bottle universes theory, so who knows how much of this still holds true.

I always assumed Cousin Justine was Juliette from Adventuress of Henrietta Street. Their backgrounds seemed to match up, there is the Sabbath connection and the names sound similar. Until a year or so ago I didn't even realize that their names actually were different because my reading of the book and my listening to the audio were so far spread from one another

Damn, that'd be a neat headcanon. They never really do explain the Sabbath connection, do they?

Also, I just added all the Millenium War/s shit to the Faction Mega, because they get mentioned by name and that's actually a link, I don't have to even justify myself, ha

Did you finish Blood Heat Director's Cut yet? How was it?

Are you adding to the Mega?

Also, it's good to see that you added Time's Champion.

If I have time, I'll check and see if that Perfect Timing anthology had any connection to the Time War(s). I know that Shelf Life did, and I have that...

Which reminds me.

One question: where did you get the epub and mobi versions of "The Vampire Curse"? I can only find pdfs of the Big Finish Benny books.

I'm gonna add all the Dalek Empire stuff at some point.

>Which reminds me.
Cmon man don't leave me hanging

I believe I found it on VK

There's two new Doctor Who fan anthologies around.

One is here: pseudoscopepublishing.com/timeshadows/2016/06/30/time-shadows-order-now/.

And one is here: obversebooks.co.uk/product/a-target-for-tommy/ .

Both of them can be given as ebooks, and for now, you can buy them as actual books. They feature all of the Doctors, and have submissions from the acclaimed Who writers. You won't be disappointed.

And all the proceeds go to charity.

There's also this: lulu.com/shop/michael-baxter-and-je-remy-and-benjamin-pocock-and-craig-charlesworth/the-temporal-logbook/paperback/product-22227915.html .

That's another fan anthology, but you can only get that as paperback.

So, buy them, and tell us how they are.

(And no, I didn't submit to any of those anthologies.)

Check em.

I finished my thought here:

>I believe I found it on VK
I'll be damned, I can't find it there.

Quantum Archangel is a wonderful book, that taught me how awesome Sixie is.

What the hell, you're right. I just checked my usual sources Megas and I'm not quite sure where the hell I got it from. What the fuck ...

>Joss Whedon's comment on whether he would write for Doctor Who: "Check back with me when the Doctor is a she."

Another good reason not to make the Doctor female.

Joss Whedon is a cuck

Literally?

>tfw this fat fuck and his stupid opinions makes me embarrassed to also be called Gareth

>hating on based Gareth

>Maybe it's a ruse

>Maybe he is Moff's 2nd head exploding new writer

Yeah, I know the Beeb could never afford him, just trolling a bit here.

wow such a le ebic ruse man user you sure trolled me

Is anyone interested?

>no Who in site

>where is the Class trailer

>where is the Who trailer

>Gimmee the Who

Reminder it's spelled Nyarlathotep

Will we ever have a fat Doctor again?

Colin wasn't that fat.

LIES

He was so fat he couldn't fit in the TARDIS.

That doesn't even look fat m8. Quit meming.

Spoken like a true fatty.

So is Capaldi the 13th incarnation of The Doctor? When will The Doctor finally die already?

>skipping christmas specials

Fill me in. I haven't watched any of the new series after the first half of 10.

You should really give it another try, 10's last season was alright and 11's first season was good and these two seasons of 12 have been pretty great.

Basically, 10 was a prick so he used up 2 regenerations (don't ask), and there was a secret regeneration during the Time War (played by Ollivander). In the 50th, shit goes down, and even though 11 was the last incarnation, the shit meant that he ended up with about infinity more

I should mention that we see the Time War in the 50th, so that's pretty dope

n-no you

>So is Capaldi the 13th incarnation of The Doctor?
Yes.
>When will The Doctor finally die already?
Who nose?

No it's not. Time War should never have been shown.

>we see the time war
Lmao dropped so fucking hard

That I agree with. Much better to leave that to the spinoffs. Television is by far the worst medium for that sort of thing. (Aka, my entire reasoning behind making the Time War wiki.) But I have to say that the War Doctor was a super cool idea and, though the execution of his character has been ... lacking, I really love how it pays just a little service to all the spinoffs.

Then again, we all know how RTD was leaving the EDAs uncontradicted, but yeah Moffat hates Mad Larry so look where that put us. Takes a bit of mental gymnastics to work around. But cest la vie.

It was only the last day. If you understood a four-dimensional war at all, you would realise that being temporally close to either the beginning or the end is like barely reaching the edge of the battlefield.

>If you understood a four-dimensional war at all, you would realise that being temporally close to either the beginning or the end is like barely reaching the edge of the battlefield.
You just made that up.

War was great in the 50th imo.
I haven't listened to the big finish audios yet though. Wonder if Moffat will ever write another War story down the line.

It's a really obvious conclusion as soon as you treat time as a dimension. There is more activity at the heart of the battle.
There is no reason why any of the serious time-bending Time Lord or Dalek weaponry would be in play at the outer reaches of the War, especially at the later end (which you'd imagine the Time Lords would rather be avoiding). In fact, they say outright that the whole Omega Arsenal has already been depleted.

Is Dark Eyes 4 even worth listening to? The first episode was as boring as a steak and kidney pie without any steak or kidney.

So how did Romana become Time Lord president?

Isn't the first episode supposed to be the good one? Admittedly I don't remember a huge amount about it. I recall episodes 2 and 3 being fairly fun.

I can tell you, with some conviction, that the final episode is not a particularly interesting or satisfying end to the Dark Eyes series. Coming out of it I felt the whole thing was staggeringly pointless.

It's recounted in "Christmas on a Rational Planet"

I remember Dark Eyes 4 having French Daleks and Sontaran showing up in Russia for no good reason. I can appreciate the ambition, but crossing the Daleks, the Master, and the Eminence into one arc just became a clusterfuck that had nothing new to say about all three.

Though I will say I was impressed by the actress who played old Molly. I was legitimately surprised by that twist.

Bill is cute! CUTE!