I have no problems with gay people. They don't deny their sex. They still know they are male, just loving other males...

I have no problems with gay people. They don't deny their sex. They still know they are male, just loving other males. Or female/females. And no, I am not gay.
But trans- kin- whatever-gender persons, feeling like cabbage, wolfs, planets, or the opposite sex, are totally insane for real. They live in their own make-believe world, and demand for the rest of us to accept their gender-insanity, and adapt to their illness. Fuck them.

It's the same shit against a new group of people, when will you learn?

What? You butthurt? Faggot!

No, just saying, that was the argument against gay people, that they have a mental illness. As soon as people realized the shit was fake, the moved it to transgendered people have a mental illness. It's the same shit over and over.

Transgenderism is a mental illness.

The illness: the cortical homunculus, which ought to provide a map of the host's body, provides a map of a body of the opposite sex.

What makes it an illness and not just a disorder: a mismatched cortical homunculus is inherently uncomfortable.

The hypothetical cure: repair the homunculus.

Why this cure is hypothetical: brain surgery is a disproportionately invasive solution and raises ethical questions regarding personhood, and its loss or modification.

The appropriate substitute treatment: just let them screw with their bodies.

The reason this is an appropriate alternative: the person of the philosophical sense (that which dwells in the brain) does not come to harm.

are you seriously going to say, with total conviction, that people who chose their gender based on their personal feelings rather than the same biological determination everyone uses, should be given the merest scrap of legitimacy?

If so, I can't wait to see some of the porn which spawns from it, like seeing a cabbage getting spitroasted by an apache attack helicopter, and a Panzer VII Maus.

Also if you agree, theres something horrifically wrong with you.

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'kay then. First, original of this or those posts are not from me. I don't care if somebody is gay.
But I don't like all those othergenders or transpeople or whatever this or that, when they demand me to accept their lives. It's fucking up to them to accept the real life. And if they can't do that, then they are insane, mentally ill if you want.

Gay people don't pretend that they're a star orbiting Jupiter

Yes. They sure are. Which is exactly why their gender identity should be considered legitimate.

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so basically trans people in the stages of transition are mindfucked, right?

I think it's their life, their choices to make.

While I do agree they should fuck off in demanding someone to accept their life, you should fuck off in demanding I feel that they have a mental illness.

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To preface, otherkin are off the rails nuts, but transgender folks are mostly okay. Why hate? They're fucked in the head as it is, just let them be.

I don't know what issues you're dealing with personally to foster such animosity but it reeks of insecurity. Work on yourself, rather than damning folks just trying to live their lives in peace.

As you work on yourself, I'm guessing that you'll discover some things about yourself you didn't know.

I find the people who decry a lifestyle the loudest are the ones who secretly want what they hate.

'kay then, again. So, if I somehow begin to identify as a cannibal and start eat other people, then the society should accept my feel of identity, and not react negative on it? Doesn't make sense. Just like all this identifying as ponies or dragoons or grass or whatever.

No, because you've committed several crimes. Murder and desecration of a corpse to name a few. People who want to change their physiology to better match their identity haven't. No one is being hurt, other than the feelings of a horde of zealots who consider it an affront to God.

That's the difference. The slippery slope arguement doesn't apply.

The idea of "trans" as a sexuality is fucking retarded. It's short for "Transition" meaning; to come from some place, and go some place else.

You aren't both, and you're unable to be neither. Pick one and stick with one... The choice should be relatively straight forward - Column A, or Column B.

Pick one, don't fucking stand in the middle and then tell each column that you deserve to be treated special all because you're too fucking stupid to figure out a multiple choice question with two possible answers.

>While I do agree they should fuck off in demanding someone to accept their life
No, anyone who can't accept someone else's life should fuck off. I'm not even transgender and I demand absolutely everyone accept my life.

My life is the way it is. You get to choose whether you'll be a part of it. That's the only choice you have in the matter: accept and embrace, or accept and ignore. "Reject" isn't in there anywhere.

I mean you can't just go up to someone and be like "no you aren't." Like holy shit how fucking autistic would that be. Try it, go up to a transgender person and be like "I take your life choices to be a message that you're a pretty girl, and I realize you didn't ask, but I just wanted to say, no you aren't." Or go up to someone who pilots a helicopter, taking their choice of employment to mean they think they're cool or official-like, and, without saying anything, be like "no you aren't."

So there you have it. I DO demand you accept my life, because the alternative to unconditionally accepting the lives of everyone around you, is looking like you legit have mental problems.

this: Also, there's no recorded case of a cortical homunculus being shaped specifically like a cannibal. Frankly, I don't believe cannibals generally have a distinct shape.

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>It's fucking up to them to accept the real life. And if they can't do that, then they are insane, mentally ill if you want.

So if a fat person wants to transition to a skinny person, they're mentally ill? Wait that's a bad example, fat people are mentally ill.

But what I'm saying is that hypothetically it should be allowed, and in practicality it's a very dangerous issue with a lot of problems. Most transgender people are really fucked up, but there is a basis for a case in situations like Bailey Jay, are you telling me that Brian would have had a better life as a man? Possibly, does he benefit more from dressing and acting like a woman? I would argue that he does. Who are any of us to stop him? The danger however, lies in overdiagnosis. We need extremely strict psychiatric guidelines before hormones are deemed appropriate. We need child abuse evaluations to make sure parents aren't twisting the minds of youth into getting permanent genital mutilation on their 18th birthday like a Superman tattoo on a bicep that they regret in a year.

These are all issues that will only get sorted out as time goes on and people get exposed to the positives and negatives of the issue. It'll take two parents ending up in the news for forcing their child to crossdress to see how bad it can get. It'll take a transgender actor to do an amazing performance or a transgender physicist to prove string theory to show how they can be basically mutants and still be contributing members of society.

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>fat people are mentally ill
As a fat person, WEW, finally someone says it

>I don't believe cannibals generally have a distinct shape.

That is true, really, really true. But girls have a form, boys have a form, rabbits have a form, oysters have a form, and so on, and so on.
Let them have their forms, they are what they are. And if they are one form, you just can't change it into another form. If you try, or even think of it, you need to seek help for your braindamage.

See: TL;DR: Damaging the body to match is safer and more ethical than addressing whatever's wrong with the brain.

so does that mean trans people are the same as those fucking morons who hammer a square peg through a round hole?

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Mental illness doesn't "exist". Brains exist. Different brains operate according to their structure. In reality, this is all there is.


You're literally playing the make believe game of "label X" = bad, so don't be "X"... but it's all smoke and mirrors, your idea of life is a fleeting dream, but you're too asleep to realize it.


The inmates are running the asylum. Keep your blue pill, faggots.

only fat people are gay

So if somebody says they see green men rummaging through people's hair, they're perfectly sane?

This argument is invalid because it misconstrues the intended meaning of "mental illness."

A mental illness isn't a mental affront on nature. As you astutely point out, such things can't exist, because all brains are inherently natural, by virtue of being brains. No one but bible-thumping conservative extremists would deny this.

But the efficacy of your naturalist counterargument ends there. People who truly understand mental illnesses have never claimed to define them so naively as you caution against. All brains are natural, indeed, but some brains are still bad, and NOT just because of the labels to which they're subjected.

A brain is mentally ill if:
* it persistently causes its host circumstantially inappropriate discomfort that seems overwhelming and inescapable, and/or the apparent means of escape is physically harmful to the host or someone else (e.g. depression, gender dysphoria, body dysmorphic disorder, eating disorders, avoidant personality disorder, general anxiety disorder, posttraumatic stress disorder, etc)
* it makes comfortably available to the host lifestyle options which would cause undue suffering to others (e.g. narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, etc)

Seeing green men and enjoying some penis are completely different things.

Found the inmate running the asylum.

Sup Clarence. Are you gonna need another pill to stay up late for that research paper tonight?

how is homosexuality a mental illness if a homosexual can be perfectly happy and function just fine in society?

In my opinion, homosexuality is not a mental illness.

Transgenderism is a mental illness, because transgender people cannot be perfectly happy and function just fine in society without treatment. However, as I said before, I believe genital mutilation, hormone therapy, and behavioral therapy to pass as the opposite sex are the most appropriate treatment.

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I kind of agree. It's only really a gray area only if you just take a blowjob or fuck the traps ass and the trap is passable and you aren't interested in the dick. Note that I said "gray area." To suck trap dick is gay tho. To be obsessed with the dick is gay.

I do like traps mostly because I'm under the impression that sex with them would be easily attainable due to male sex drive and the relative ease that men are able to put their emotions to the side regarding sex. I'm also under the impression that they are not hung up on certain fetishes and are more likely to engage you in what you like.

In no way am I interested in a traps dick. But I'm bi tho because I'd like to trap but that's another story.

Perfectly happy?
Being gay is associated with promiscuity, mental diseases, higher suicide rate (Not caused by social stigma) and they can't even reproduce with a complete sexual intercourse.

Are you saying that promoting a distorted view of reality in a mentally ill individual is the appropriate treatment. Like, the appropriate treatment for a man believing of being a cat is to make him similar to a cat. Because yes, there's absolutely no difference between believing of being a cat when you're human and believing of being female when you are a male. They are both mental condition in which the subject has a distorted subjective view on the reality, objective, unique, scientifically investigable.

And, some sources here.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks