>I am a heterosexual who has never been in a relationship with a female and I have never had sex, but my uninformed opinions about sexuality and gender politics are relevant and extremely important.
Why do so many of you do this?
I am 100 percent seriously asking.
It's like if a person who had only ever eaten processed sugar straight from the bag decided they were the ideal person to regulate the dessert industry.
What gives?
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You're not black, so you shouldn't talk about race politics at all.
You're not a woman, so you shouldn't talk about feminism at all.
You only belong to one country, so you shouldn't talk about international politics.
Should I go on or is your dumb brain getting the point?
You could go on if you want to demonstrate further and to a greater extent that you entirely missed the point.. that's up to you. Do you feel like that is something you need to do?
/thread.
The 'regulate the dessert industry' analogy is bullshit. No one is trying to dictate sexuality with their opinions. Unless you've lived alone in a cave you're entire life, you most likely have some logical and relatable opinions about sexuality.
You don't need to be Italian to make pizza, is what he's trying to say.
By your logic, OP, only people with biased and subjective information should be talking and anyone with an outside/objective perspective should never talk at all.
Nice bait, though.
No. That is not what I am saying at all. I am saying you shouldn't write a cookbook about pizza called "This Is The Only Way To Make Pizza And If You Don't Make Pizza This Way Then You You Should Be Prevrnted From Making Pizza" if you have ne er even tasted a pizza.
Alright, yeah "asexual" tumblrinas turning into feminists is like the opposite of the spectrum. As long as we band together as intelligent human beings, hopefully we can keep them at bay. One flamewar at a time.
>No one is trying to dictate sexuality with their opinions.
Except that people literally are. All the time.
>"This Is The Only Way To Make Pizza And If You Don't Make Pizza This Way Then You You Should Be Prevrnted From Making Pizza"
Considering that, once again, no one is dictating sexuality, I'm amazed at your collection of strawmen.
Here on Sup Forums? Are we an international legislative body now? Or are we just supposed to all be uninformed virgins who don't deserve opinions?
I think what OP means is not that if you aren't X, you can't talk about X.
I think what he means is, if you don't know anything about X, you should probably not offer an uneducated opinion about it as if you are the ultimate authority on the subject.
the fuckin burn tho
People constantly try to dictate sexuality. On this board.
"All women are evil whores"
"Any person whose sexuality doesn't revolve around procreation is mentally ill"
These threads are so common that they might as well be stickies.
Nice straw man
First, most people don't believe they are the ultimate authority. They have opinions and they can discuss them.
Second, OP implied lack of experience= not knowing.
>Never had sex with female so opinions on sexuality and gender politics are misinformed
If you have no experience living in Germany, your opinions of Germany are uninformed.
Ever heard of books?
You misinterpreted OP, now you're misinterpreting that user
That's not a straw man, you're just an idiot
Explain the misrepresentation. Or will you just hide and let it 404 before you expose your stupidity further?
Oh, I see where this is going. My question to you is, why do you think it matters?
This is an anime imageboard. We fill this place with trap threads, bananas, and other bullshit. No one gives a rat's ass about our opinions and certainly no one is basing legislation on them. So, A: what user do you think actually considers their opinions here to be 'extremely important.' And B: What effect do you think Sup Forums's articulate and well informed discussions are having on society as a whole to the point that it should matter what people say here?
>it's an I just learnec about the concept of a straw man so I'll abuse the term until it loses all meaning episode
Damn, son. Well said.
They are made either by trolls or idiots. Either way, who cares. Are words on an anonymous image board really that hurtful to you?
How do you feel that the first user rekt you and now you are reduced to memeing
OP here. Not that guy.
I never said you cannot have opnions about things you are not an expert on. I never said that and I never implied it. You either lack reading comprehension, or your desire to stoke your own narrative overpowers your ability to think critically.
I asked why so many people insist on presenting their uninformed opinions on an extremely personal matter as though they were scientific data.
You need to calm the fuck down user.
You're trying to discredit OP by blanketing sexuality and gender politics in with less than esoteric subjects, misunderstanding #1 you missed his point entirely and came off like you were trying to assert your intelligence like an asshole
#2, that user was clearly trying to help you understand OP and you took it as him trying to argue, again trying to discredit him by chalking his help up as a straw man (it very clearly was not a straw man) and coming off like you're trying to assert your intelligence like an asshole, again
Just calm the fuck down, jeez
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>comes on image board
>asks why people present opinions assertively
I mean, come on now. I feel like this thread had good intentions and you're not just a troll, but it's time to stop posting.
Look, another deluded disciple of the great Reddit logic brigade, a group of heathens that categorizes every single thing they cannot understand or will not accept as a logical fallacy. You, and those like you, are slaves to the devices of your own minds, in bed with the very fallacious arguments you so dutifully call others out on.
Even in your own post, you OFFER YOUR OWN UNINFORMED OPINION AS THOUGH YOU ARE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY, even though you say "most people don't believe they are the ultimate authority."
Have fun in your thought bubble, I guess. I know you can't see that you are ever, ever wrong, and so making this post at all is complete and utter insanity, but this is a stupid anonymous image board and nobody cares what I say anyway!
>presenting their uninformed opinions on an extremely personal matter as though they were scientific data.
Are you really this retarded? Anons present their opinions as though they were scientific data? Nigga, those opinions are usually accompanied by pictures of Hitler and cartoon frogs. They usually end with crap like "prove me wrong. Protip: you can't." If that's what scientific data looks like to you, I have some terrible news.
Anons post their thoughts and opinions because they feel like it, and no one in their right mind gives a shit.
I never said I was hurt. Put away your "Lol delicious Libcuck tears" meme insult.
I clearly staed that I was "CURIOUS".
DO YOU NEED ME TO TYPE THAT WORD A THIRD TIME SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT?
Hi OP.
Note I don't say you are not allowed to have opinions.
I used what you said, that the opinions are misinformed. Your words.
The argument is whether opinions are misinformed, not whether we are allowed to have them.
Stop arguing semantics
Damn dude, just get off the internet and go smoke a bowl you're doin mental gymnastics so you can argue
>Even in your own post, you OFFER YOUR OWN UNINFORMED OPINION AS THOUGH YOU ARE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY
> I know you can't see that you are ever, ever wrong, and so making this post at all is complete and utter insanity
Well that last sentence seems right at least.
See how these anons don't contribute to the topic, but attacks the person.
Try again
Ok then. Yes. People who have never had a relationship should not be giving relationship advice.
Are you stupid? He asked me to explain the misunderstanding
You are UN-sexual. Your attraction may be towards women, but the fact that you are a virgin and not actively pursuing heterosexual sex means that you aren't in the game, son.
Right that was your point. It's clear.
Now replace had a relationship with living in Germany.
>People who never lived in Germany should not be knowledgeable about living in Germany
But there are books user. Their friends who lives there could tell them all about it. And this now educated person who never lived in Germany can still be knowledgeable about living in Germany. Knowledge is not only subjective.
That's kinda close to my point.
Unsexual people shouldn't be giving sexual advice.
go look up the genetic logical fallacy and get back to us
Well then your question was answered, was it not? They are trolls, or they are idiots.
The fact that you made that reply in such a negative way says that my post probably hurt you. Why be defensive and lash out? What did I say that was anywhere along the lines of a meme insult? I find those to be reprehensible.
It is highly likely you take these posts far more seriously than you should.
nah m8 your really assblastedly hurt.
to your point, all voices and opinions need to be considered on all issues. just because you deem them to be less than yours says more about you than it does the opinion itself.
Do you honestly think that living in Germany and something as complicated as sexuality and romantic relationships are on the same level?
Yeah, you can learn geography from books.
Do you really think that sexuality and relationships are the same as geography?
Trolls?
Yep, sometimes.
Idiots.
I do think do.
But acknowledging that someone is an idiot doesn't make them stop existing.
Not possible to answer, and categorize complexity of experiences.
But what is important is to realize that even die the most complex topics, a complete lack of experience of those topics doesn't entail uninformed opinions. Because you can study those topics.
Maybe it's harder to do so for relationships than living in Germany, but you can't just say outright they are misinformed. In fact a virgin who never visited Germany might know more about relationship advice since it's written about way more than living in Germany.
Yeah dude I pointed this out twenty minutes ago... He's doing mental gymnastics to argue. And you're not recognizing it, and giving him the intelligence pissing match he wanted
This thread had hope but you're all sperging
Great contribution to the topic.
Look at this shit
You faggots are sperging about me pointing out the sperging
You guys are fuckin jokes..
Make a coherent argument user. Or are you afraid of being exposed?
First one wasn't a troll, this one is
I fuckin hate Sup Forums sometimes man.
No, it does not. But, you see, they can't be reasoned with. They are physically incapable of realizing they are idiots, about anything. So you literally cannot stop them. Maybe you think someone will provide you with a magical answer to make the world a place full of happy, intelligent and progressive people, when the reality is that most people are to higher or lower degrees selfish, close-minded and let their preconceptions and acknowledged authority figures determine what they believe and are literally incapable of changing or learning anything new.
It sucks, but there is nothing to be done about it.
He actually made his really good coherent argument earlier in this thread.
But yeah... afraid of being "exposed".
Are you Alex Jones?
Most Sup Forumstards aren't looking for a proper discussion I believe. They are here to push their beliefs, which is good, and then hope for circle jerking and get flustered when countered. I'm used to the frustration talking here.
Sorry, I missed it. Point me to it and I'll respond.
>I don't give people the time of day when they hurt my pwecious feewings
epitome of a superiority complex, fresh out of uni I take it?
Still waiting to be pointed to argument. I was arguing with another user so I might've missed it.
I should have just posted a picture of pepe or hidden camera pics of my sister pissing.
Sorry, won't happen again.
Read the damn thread, numbnuts.
What's the fun in that? It's good to let out steam and argue once in a while
Once more, instead of helping to locate the argument you type that. I guess you just wanted to shit post.
No one gives a shit about burden of proof here, figure it out yourself faggot.
Kek. I just wanted to be pointed to an argument, not for some proof.
Funny thing I read every post. There were no such arguments.
Kek you trolling faggot
It's this guy I think.
Maybe you're right.
It's just that I don't see an argument on the topic. That user just said I'm wrong because I use esoteric terms and mental gymnastics without telling me what are those terms and how I'm twisting the argument. Damn even OP agreed with my understanding of his post.
>f2 "strawman"
Every fucking time.
Do you retards have to ruin *every* word?
Does using a word correctly ruin it's meaning?
Would you like to point out how to use it?
Or will you shitpost and attack character instead? I bet on this.
You went straight for technical accuracy in an unquantifiable subject thinking it would make you look "smarter".
It was not used correctly.
What's the unquantifiable object and my technical accuracy? I'm trying to have a discussion not baiting. I gain nothing by appearing smart on Sup Forums
Enlighten me. How should it be used? I'm actually worried I might be using this word incorrectly. Please set it right.
Your overeager attempt to use a big word you don't understand how to use properly yet was annoying and unnecessary.
Whats the word god damn it
The unquantifiable SUBJECT. is sexuality and romantic relationships, which are both nothing like geography or any other obvious technical subject.
I've been refreshing constantly hurry up faggots before my autism goes into overdrive and this 404s
en.wikipedia.org
I am not doing all the work for you.
Hold on user, I agree with you. I said so myself that I'm not willing to rank complexity of experiences.
However the experience of living in Germany, which is not the same as pointing out Germany on a map, can be compared to experience of relationships, since they are both unquantifiable.
opinions aren't meant to be binding
Straw man means misrepresenting an opponent's position so it's easier to attack.
I pointed out why some user misrepresented my position in detail.
Also notice that OP agreed with my interpretation of his argument, and I'm open to being corrected. so I'm not committing straw man myself
Transgender lunatic detected
Well if this is the end I had a good argument. See you on some other thread.
>Mfw whole thread
OP trulty BTFO. How will he ever recover?
You could have posted your "good argument", but instead you chose to make a post to let everyone know that you had a "good argumant".
Cool.
The first poster in this thread mischaracterized OP's argument, derailing the first several posts.
The person claimed to commit a strawman was making an attempt to get the thread back on track by attempting to word OP's idea better.
Then incorrectly called that a strawman. Did he make a secondary argument with the purpose of refuting a claim? No. Ergo not strawman.
And then correctly asses the situation.
The other reference was and was someone who simply misconstrued the point because of the first poster derailing it and OP offering poor explanations.
Well can't resist this user.
And for good measure
Hi user
I would like argue that this user
made a straw man because he interpreted OPs post as representing his opposition's position as follows:
>If you don't know anything about X you probably shouldn't offer an opinion treating it as if you were ultimate authority.
The opposition did not claim anything about ultimate authority. If they did, then that would be easy to refute. Hence the straw man.
By opposition I mean people lacking experience on the topic but giving opinions nonetheless
So you're that guy who thinks:
1 someone who has never lived in Germany could write a useful book anout living in Germany
And
2. living in Germany is analgous to the broad range of various psychological aspects of sexuality and romantic relationships?
Also by good argument I don't mean my argument is good. I mean I had a good argument with the anons in this. I enjoyed arguing here. Sorry if I came across the wrong way
A heterosexual person with a partner knows just as much about fags as a heterosexual with no partner. I don't see the point OP is trying to make.
Oh, ok. I thought you meant something else entirely.
I had a good argument as well, then.
Cheers.
If a guy who never lived in Germany but read many books about living in Germany and hearing tales from his friends who lives in Germany, then maybe he could write a useful book on it.
Living in Germany, like being in a relationship, is experienced. It's not technical or a math problem. Only saying they are the same in kind. Maybe one is more complex but I wouldn't know, and it wouldn't matter to my conclusion which is lack of experience doesn't entail opinion of topic is uninformed.
Are those not the same thing? The poster was trying to clarify OP. Not defeat an argument.
Of course you don't. You're an edgy diot. Move along.
If OP really meant what the user clarified, then he would also be committing a straw man. Because those without experience wouldn't say they are utimate experts on those topics. If they did that would be laughable. The most they can say is their opinion is not uninformed just because they haven't the relevant experience.
Would you ever purchase, read and trust a book about living in Germany writen by someone who had never lived in Germany over a book written by someone who had lived there their entire life? Especially when considering that your own argument implies that said person's book would just be reformated information taken from books written by the latter?
>implying implications
Man if I had a dollar for every gender there is; I'd have two dollars.
Probably not user, but that doesn't mean the first dudes book is uninformed. He can still have informative opinions by gathering info and experiences from others.
Another analogy might be a white professor writing about race theory. We can still value his insights
>sex is largely biological
Lots of metaphors and analogies going on right now. I thought it would be cool; but so much of it in the same place looks a bit wanky tbh.
Yeah, I really liked that imaginary part of the OP post that never happened but you went straight to inventing as well. That was a hilarious thing that never happened.
It would be laughable. But here on the internet, that is how many opinions are presented: as important facts. This happens regardless of how little they actually know about the subject. Fuck it happens in the real world all the time as well.
I honestly see no strawman argument here.
This guy though, looks like he qualifies.
Of course it's entirely possible that I'm retarded and just am incapable of seeing it but in that case I will probably not ever figure it out.