Is music a dying art form?

Is music a dying art form?

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Nah. Music is still great. You just need to stop listening to the radio.
Try posting this in Sup Forums though.

No, it has a lot to experiment yet.

niggers killed it by inventing rap

YES AND NO

Try posting anything on Sup Forums and it'll be a soul-sucking, unfun, pro-autistic anti-comedy fest.

Rap is the avant-garde of music, mothafucka.

no. but its getting more and more saturated with shit.

Wrong, bitch boy.

I have a feeling that we're about to experience a great period in music. Its about to happen soon.

Historically, there generally were intermission periods between great eras in music, (30 or so years between Baroque and Renaissance) where nothing new really happened in that time.

I think we're in this period, where nothing really new is being promoted mainstream, and it is all regurgitation of shit that's already been done.

But eventually, experimentation in music will become popular once again. We'll get to relive the 50s, 60s, and 70s again once the cyclical nature of music / culture comes back to the top. Its overdue. Nothing of value has been released since the 90's quite honestly. Just vapid degeneracy. But its about to happen. Trust.

No we can still remix the same shit we've been listening for years, no one will get tired of it.

degenerates

From what front will it come?

Star Boy revitalized music

There was never any money in music, but people are never going to stop making and listening to music. The only thing that changes is how it gets made and distributed.

rap is cancer for music

that's where you're wrong
white people invented rap

That's what I'm on to though.

The more and more we become okay with things that are derivative and not inventive and the more and more we treat music like a novelty, the less it becomes a work of art.

Look up pretty much any genre of music on youtube and the like/dislike ratio is nearly 98/2

We're just becoming more okay with 4/4, major key, four to the floor beats with really awful and trite note choices.

Brazilian funk is starting it.

>Nothing of value has been released since the 90's

not true if you count the bands formed in that era still producing music.

i do agree with you in theory tho.

I think its really impossible to say at this point.

It will be totally unexpected. Either something completely new rising up in underground scenes, or something from the past reintroduced to the masses. Maybe a jazz revival, or something thats combined with the new and the old.

But it won't be popular at first. I think it will at first be something totally weird and strange, but eventually gain traction.

Look at how Rock n' Roll was treated in the 50's. "its just shitty noise"

Im praying for it.

Snarky Puppy does it?

niggers stole rap?

fucking niggers

This is the future!

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Revival =/= new

I want something with its own word that can only be described by that word.

Anything short of that is not new, and we have yet to see it.

The last things that was "new" was dubstep, and I think I like 4 dubstep songs max.

I have a feeling an anti-technology movement will grow. Perhaps leading with folk/Americana.

Yes

music is very much still alive.

concept albums are pretty much dead.

this generation will never have a 'dark side of the mood.' they will never have 'the wall' they will never have albums designed to be played all the way through in one sitting. they're the playlist generation. shuffling from one empty pop song to the next; from one catchy rock song to the next.

This. Except great music is still out there, just primarily under utilized and overlooked.

Yeah I'm thinking it'll be fusion related.

Maybe its because im in this echo chamber since I listen to this music, but its becoming more popular to listen to bands like Snarky Puppy or Vulfpeck. Guys like Kendrick and Chance are adding more diverse styles into their music.

Its the natural tendency for popular interest to constantly change though, so it might 180 and change completely.

The next thing will be something that isn't so full of itself, kind of like prog in the 70's (not judging prog btw) but something more easy going.
Vulfpeck is a prime example. Something about their sound is ironic, and so lighthearted, yet people are digging it. Same with these rap anthems. That start crazes and dance trends of things that dont really make any sense for example.

Albums where you need to actively listen (think Dark Side of the Moon) are so gone now. People don't want to think. Its almost a more Dionysian appeal.

The interesting thing is that the 60's and 70's combined the two appeals of music (Dionysian and Appollonian) so well. Things like Hendrix were popular, as well as Pink Floyd simultaneously. I don't think there will be such a dichotomy.

Please tell me which 4 you like. Need to find some good shit to listen to.

I wonder how embarrassing for your friend it would be if he knew you posted this here.

Every dumb white kid who wears streetwear thinks they can do a rap song.

no you stupid nigger

>Sup Forums
Go there and ask.

I'm praying to finally hear something that I've never heard before. A genre that is 100% completely new. At this point though, that seems like imagining a colour you've never seen before. Impossible

I know this is cliche as fuck to say, but GKMC by Kendrick Lamar is in my opinion the best rap album of the 2010's. No other album off the top of my head tells a story like it, even through it's hood rat shit, it's still beautifully structured wit ha couple of 'singles' laying in there.

Edm and jazz are hitting it off with electro swing, groups like GriZ and the Floozies... Of course snarky puppy and others are incorporating funk and jazz with r&b/hip hop in more innovative ways.

I think edm, jazz, hip hop, and minimalism will somehow combine

This track is fire:

youtube.com/watch?v=qZzP-aSRyYE

God, I hope not

crap

Start listening to post modernism, minimalism, neo classical

UGH
*smacks lips*
NIGGAH NIGGAH OOGA BOOGA
UGH YEA
FUCK. DAT. ASS.
FUCK. DAT. ASS.
OOGA BOOGA
HOOD NIGGA.
*grabs bucket of KFC*
OH YEAH NIGGUH
MUH DICK
OOOOO YEEEAHH

^Literally rap.

I like the sci fi vibes

I post it ironically!

go listen to some 2010 zeds dead you cunt, how about some 12th planet or some shit?

failed musician studying music at community college detected.

12th planet is my nigga wtf are you talking about.

Just cause you know who 12th planet is doesn't make you a dubstep expert.

Neo Classical is nice. I don't really like anything post modern, whether its art, philosophy, literature, music, etc.

I think we will eventually move past the current labels that we have now. Hopefully things will be so fresh we need an entirely new vocabulary to describe it.

For example, how would you describe Hendrix, or King Crimson to somebody in the 1930s?

You really couldn't do it easily.

Mallwave, jazzsthetic, elevator groove, shit meant to sound older and nostalgic, that's the new shit.

Rude

Rude

Nope. listen to this

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No. There's a greater variety and quality of music now than there ever has been in all of human history. Why would you even think that it's dying?

Never.

I kno I was going along with the bit though because that stuff genuinely infuriates me.

Rude

Fuck off chickenhead

They had such a good track record too.

Blues, Soul, Jazz, RnB, Rock n' Roll, Funk.

All to have it shit on with Gangsta Rap.

Rude

Because lil yachty and desiigner

Rude

Yes, because there were no shitty musicians in the past. That's a new thing.

It sure is. When songs consisting of less than 15 words being repeated is common place music is nearly dead. Creativity and expression through sound and lyrics is all but gone the way of chivalry.

Is not dead. I can tell it's kinda "hidden".

Most of people are just stupid, so they like stupid music. On that way, because stupid people propaganda, seems like theres just shit music being maked.

There's good new stuff around, you just have to find where to look for. Dont lose hope.

gangsta rap was made popular by suburban white kids that paid for it with dads money.

not the niggers fault for finding a way to make bank from retards, whites did it with crack.

I recognize how there's lots of good stuff out now, just hidden.

But to me, none of it can connect with me on an emotional level the way that old stuff can.

Joni Mitchell, Yes, Pink Floyd, all that stuff to me is 100x better than even the good stuff nowadays.

I almost look forward to him making music so i can have a good laugh. This song made me die!

youtu.be/2Y6MUWuVuRg

I wouldn't say that it's dying, but it is being choked by rampant commercialism and a bunch of faggots that just want pussy and admiration cramming the medium chock full of garbage.

>Being maked

I hate country too.
I'm not a dirty Amerifat either.

Marches are the best music.

Yes
Music is more a form of entertainment than artistic expression nowadays

I mean even the most seasoned musicians who still have a public figure aren't making good music. Nobody massively talented has hit that 100 million views per video type success. I know that there are more niche kinds of music that I tend to listen to, but the most popular musicians used to be beethoven, bach, and mozart. They were the big time. Even something slightly more on the more sophisticated side of the spectrum (or so I'm led to believe) like Kanye still sounds tacky to me.

I would like to like mainstream music but I just cannot.

So a single trend within mainstream music negates all the creativity in other types of music?

On top of that, if you look at the actual science that goes into the production of many of those pop songs, you might not think them so mindless. Granted, it's usually not the vapid star coming up with them, but behind most pop hits there's an audio technician looking into the science of how sound affects a brain and telling Ms Popstar to structure her song in such a way that it catches the largest number of people with a certain effect.

Pop is mass produced, usually boring, and really only good for when you don't want to think about what you're listening to. Pop is the MacDonalds of the music industry. Do you worry that the best days of food are behind us because Macdonalds exist?

I 100% agree, user.

>but the most popular musicians used to be beethoven, bach, and mozart.
Wrong.

The most *renowned* musicians used to be Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart. The most *popular* musicians you never heard of, because they were performing for the poor. You forget, the kind of music the 99% listened to back in those days was very, very different from what the 1% enjoyed. It's really not fair to compare those days of music to today, because there was such a huge difference between what was the best and what was common. You couldn't really judge quality by popularity, and considering that only those few people who performed for the rich had their works saved for posterity, you're making a value judgement when 99% of the sample is missing, forgotten by time.

>stupid music

No such thing. You can be dumb and like Bach. You can be smart and like Kanye West.

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McDonald'swave: A musical genre meant specifically to evoke feelings of nostalgia and the McDonald's restaurant environment.

>You can be smart and like Kanye West

You're right.

There's music published by known unknowns from the romantic and classical era that is just as good if not sometimes better than the Mozarts and the Saties.

I just think musicians had standards back then because they had to. You don't have to have standards these days. Not really anyway.

Actually, I'd be willing to go to bat for Kanye. A lot of people write his music off as stupid nigger drivel, especially here, but if you watch someone break down the themes and production of a lot of his songs, it can be compared to some real classical shit. He's kind of working on a triptych of immortality with his albums, and while I don't really enjoy listening to his work, I can still appreciate the skill and artistic value of many of his songs.

Granted, for every one good, well thought out song he has, he's made another 3 mindless club songs, but an artist shouldn't be discounted simply because he has mass appeal.

You can. Not even funny enough for that reaction pic you sod. Go back to meme school.

see I sincerely stand by it.

>I just think musicians had standards back then because they had to.
I don't follow, what do you mean by that?

Kanye is a twat who's lyrics are him flexing his fame that he already had 10 years ago.

Also he's mentally ill, and I'm not interested in the literal ramblings of a mad man.

"Famous" is one of the most narcissistic, tacky, cliched, artless pieces of trash I've ever heard.

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never said i can't appreciate talent.

i said you can't be smart and like kanye.

pretty simple.

epic!

I mean if you wanted to be a musician, it was a blue collar thing. You went to school, you learned how to read sheet music, you played your instrument till your hands were bleeding, and you worked non-stop.

Folk music on the other hand... I kinda see your point..

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>I've heard one of his songs
Well, you clearly have a wide enough sample size.

Also, if you're worried about ego, you have to discount half the most famous artists who have ever lived. Ego is the muse of many artists, not just Kanye.

>mentally ill
Van Gogh, Warhol, Beethoven, Mozart, Munch, O'Keefe....

Eh, I guess I disagree. Even if I don't personally enjoy his work, I can see why people would enjoy it.

Unless you mean Kanye the man, not his work, in which case I'd probably agree, he's a cunt.

>Van Gogh, Warhol, Beethoven, Mozart, Munch, O'Keefe....

I didn't say the little midget nigga couldn't write music. If he just shut the fuck up, I would be his biggest fan. "The People" is one of the smoothest beats I've ever heard.

Minimumwave: A musical genre heavily utilizing muzak and generic synthesizer sound to evoke feelings of nostalgia when working for minimum wage in retail as a teenager.

So just mallsoft with a different name?

I'm sold.

>I can see why people would enjoy it.
i'm drunk and apologize.

what i meant was the people that like kanye and buy his shit are not the same people that recognize his talent as an artist, it's just fucking kids that jump on the most famous dick available.

you can blame mainstream radio for the fall of music in the past 20 years.

I think you underestimate how much of this there currently is in the music industry.

Yeah, many of the big popstars got there purely on being hot, but if you actually look at many of their pasts, they worked hard. Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Kanye West, pretty much any rapper who can actually rap... These people needed to work to get where they are.

I agree that there are too many vapid stars in the modern music industry, but some time you should just think of a few random music superstars, then hit up their wikipedia pages and see how many of them started with music when they were young, and worked their asses off to get where they are. Even the Biebs started with music really young, and got his record deal based on talent, even if he did leave that talent on the curb when he walked into the record building. Now, do they cater to the lowest common denominator with much of their work? In many cases, yes, but you shouldn't discount them as artists before you actually look into them. On another note, I can't believe I'm defending vapid popstars.

They just don't use enough notes.

It's like the opposite of that line in "Amadeus"

Not enough notes this time.

i like this feel user

Kind of, but with hooks meant specifically to bring to mind memories of sticky break rooms and cute cashiers that you maybe had a chance with but were too beta to ever ask out.