So, since Snyder has been fueling a lot of conversation on here, I thought I'd watch this.
What the fuck? Is this secretly Snyder's masterpiece? This movie is not only completely insane, but perhaps one of the most sneakily multilayered films to ever come out of the studio system.
Most people seem to think that this is just a stupid, sexy girls kick ass movie. I did too... before I saw it.
I read a couple articles and saw a video on the "hidden, true meaning" of this film... and if you choose to examine it seriously, it seems to actually be a legitimately intelligent critique of female objectification and the commodification of female sexuality.
I have never been this fucking confused. Is Snyder actually a genius? Everyone can admit he makes pretty movies... but I'm starting to think that he might be a legitimately intelligent filmmaker and criminally misunderstood.
Zack is not perfect and has a number of flaws in some of the things he executes, but there literally is not another director out there who is making big budget films as thoughtful as Snyder.
It is worth noting that Zack was met with many challenges with the Studio regarding Sucker Punch, and not even the Extended Cut released is his true Director's Cut
Honestly one of the biggest challenges is he is making these films, and when it comes to intellectualism, there is a barrier with modern audiences, they are not looking to engage. On the opposite spectrum, people who dedicate themselves to critical analysis might not think to look beyond the surface of Zack's films as they would pre-judge a lot of his work as "capeshit" So in essence, his work becomes a much smaller niche. Audiences who are able to accept that genre cinema, and intellectual and thematic content are not mutually exclusive.
Jacob Hall
Oh please, his movies aren't thoughtful. He doesn't earn any of his lofty imagery or symbolism, it's all surface level. His idea of a 'serious movie' is elevating the conflict to a battle of ideologies with no consideration as to whether it will hold any weight. He's a simpleton. He's a fucking hack.
Alexander Martin
Furthermore, watch Dawn of Justice Ultimate Cut, and think and look into what does this film have to say about America, the commodification and weaponization of fear, the role of power in our country and it's fetishization, and furthermore the role in religion and how it feeds into these various themes. Then see how these subjects tie in to the characters portrayed within the film and how they matter within the deconstructionist narrative.
Juan Peterson
That is interesting that the Extended Cut is not his dream cut... how was it different from the theatrical?
I do think Zack is misunderstood in part because of how he comes off in interviews. A lot of people think that just because of his "dude" drawl he must be unintelligent, and this leads them to dismiss his movies.
It's a real fucking shame because his movies are so much more than they appear to be.
You are right that modern audiences are not looking to engage... I think in our age of media hyper saturation, where we can go online and watch any movie we want with a few clicks, people are looking to categorize movies like never before. It's understandable, but an unfortunate symptom of having too much choice.
People want movies to be one thing - then dismiss any notions of deeper meaning... and this movie had a ton. Sucker Punch is actually an appropriate title - I feel like I just got Sucker Punched.
Ryan Long
No. You're just shilling for him because you're a faggot.
He tries to make movies that mesh big action sequences and robots and explosions, with social commentary and ideas about whatever toipic he thinks is relevant or wants to talk about.
What actually comes from this thinking is a movie that is filled with action sequences that have literally no value or implication in the rest of the movie. If you watch SP again, and skip every single fight scene, it will turn into a half-assed story about womens rights and psychology and will make you want to kill yourself.
Same thing with BvS take out every fight scene, except for Doomsday, and the movie will be exactly the fucking same, except less entertaining
William Anderson
>I don't want to put the effort in to taking a movie seriously so I will just call it stupid Kinda makes you look stupid tbqh
Jackson Adams
>action sequences have no value or implication in the rest of the movie Sorry, what? Do you actually watch the movies you critique? In SP, the action scenes are multilayered fantasies reappropriating classic tropes and iconography associated with the male gaze. This parallels the disassociative mentality the main characters use to confront their sexualized confinement - using the very thing they are exploited for to exploit their captors, and in turn the audience. They are really essential to the story and the overall aesthetic and thesis of the film.
Also your complaint about BvS holds NO water. The fight scenes in that movie are fantastic, but the more political thriller aspect of the film also holds its own. I was never bored watching that film, in part because Snyder understands that the true power struggle within contemporary America is waged behind closed doors and fueled by money and fear. The violence is merely the byproduct. Remember when Alfred tells Bruce - "The Bat interrogated 3 men and walked away with nothing. It was Bruce Wayne who found the information" (paraphrasing there)
Christopher Ward
all I know is that there are potatoes in slow motion
Nathaniel Clark
>HURR DURRR HE'S A HACK It's always interesting that pro-Zack people type out long, considered responses of substance... and anti-Zack people just say UHHH HE'S STUPID
I've yet to see a single anti-Zack post that reads as being thoughtful or intelligent. It's just "COME ON DUDE HE'S DUMB STOP BEING STUPID UGH"
Joseph Lewis
The message and gist of it is the same, but the studio forced the cutting of the films original ending, a musical number that acted as a thematic coda but also a visual coda, ending in a curtain closing, as the movie began, it would be a more uplifting ending than the final theatrical cut, but was considered "too weird" by test audiences.
Evan Kelly
>HE'S DUMB BECAUSE I SAY SO. ONLY THE FIGHTS ARE ENTERTAINING Yikes dude
Connor Brown
Test audiences. Always ruining things.
Jose Flores
>Watchmen > BvS > MoS > Sucker Punch > 300 > DotD
Haven't seen the Owl Movie.
Gabriel Rogers
1. Watchmen Ultimate Cut 2. Dawn of Justice Ultimate Cut 3. Sucker Punch 4. Man of Steel 5. 300 6. Legends of the Guardians 7. Dawn of the Dead
Xavier Cooper
Sucker Punch is legitimately one of the absolute worst movies made of the 2010's, if not the absolute worst
Get some fucking taste, something being layered and complex doesn't necessarily make it good if it doesn't have anything to fucking say.
Sucker Punch is a pointless film that fails to be engaging even visually, with most scenes coming across as nothing more than a cobbled mess of poor editing, bad music covers, and lackluster choreography.
Absolutely SHIT "flick".
Colton Wilson
>I've yet to see a single anti-Zack post that reads as being thoughtful or intelligent. It's just "COME ON DUDE HE'S DUMB STOP BEING STUPID UGH"
Does anyone have the Hitler image that makes fun of these kinds of psots, where the guy is screaming at him and Hitler just goes "Well all I wanted to do is kill all the Jews, I'm sorry geez."
It's impossible to take you or your points seriously when you try and argue the "Well I've never seen anyone who has a real argument against me because of my pure intellectual might, now if you excuse me I need to float away on my gigantic fedora."
Camden Russell
> female objectification and the commodification of female sexuality.
No.
But it's a great film
Liam Hill
it's not any of that but it's still kino
Christopher Young
In SP, the action scenes are multilayered fantasies reappropriating classic tropes and iconography associated with the male gaze. This parallels the disassociative mentality the main characters use to confront their sexualized confinement - using the very thing they are exploited for to exploit their captors, and in turn the audience. They are really essential to the story and the overall aesthetic and thesis of the film.
/tumblr/ go out
Dylan Sullivan
This is the best example of the "2deep4u" meme. People who think it's brilliant are just sophomoric, and they think everyone who didn't like it is just dumber than they are.
Juan Reed
took me a 1 second google search
Charles Bell
On the surface it looks like a complete and utter turd. That is what you are supposed to think, but secretly it's the best movie of all time. You just have to look really hard to see it. Once you do you won't regret it. I have watched this every day for the past 5 years and it has changed my life. I also no longer have penis or a sense of reality.
Josiah Williams
you think people confuse snyders movies with finchers movies?
they tend to have the same tint, and the cgi , minus time dilation seems pretty similar.
Jose Carter
Looking at that list is like looking into a toilet that badly needs flushing.
Jaxon Sanders
those are all snyder?
wtf i love zack now
Thomas Hernandez
Did you only read the last sentence
Dylan Adams
Sucker Punch (Extended Cut) was a treatise on the objectification of women as seen through the eyes of various nerd subcultures. The prism by which the movie is shown self reflects to the viewer their own ugliness.
It's a hypnotizing take on psychological trauma. It cleverly turns it into an esoteric, theatrical, fantasy extravaganza. Its own nakedness makes people feel shameful and uncomfortable.
It's a movie that literally hates its own audience and spits on them.
>"“I wanted to rub the human race in its own vomit, and force it to look in the mirror.”" - J.G. Ballard
If that isn't true kino, I don't fucking know what is.
>read alot of shit >aspire to be one of the greats >hey whats this CGI thing? >make movies >place meaning on them after they are made, or at least storyboarded out >get paid, get bitches, get fame
I have a feeling zach is just making fun movies, then looking at what he did then place some significant meaning on it.
Alexander Wilson
Feminist bullshit isn't kino, fuck of back to plebbit.
Jack Nguyen
Duck you Sucker
Jayden Reyes
>batman uses a noob tube >"The fight scenes in that movie are fantastic"
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Matthew Bennett
Yes, he can squeeze the most out of his cookie-cutter shit, but in the end it's still cookie-cutter shit. He tries to make intellectual stuff within the conventional narrative he has learned to work in, and he doesn't wish to do more than that. He's not a bad filmmaker, just a bland one because he doesn't have his own voice.
Jaxson Nguyen
kino
Nathaniel Kelly
You're right, and then on a second viewing you realize that what you're watching is an opinion piece from a guy who equates sexualization with fucking rape who also really fucking hates nerds. Zach Snyder loathes men almost as much as Paul Feig does, and Sucker Punch showcases it pretty neatly.
Sucker Punch may have something to say, but what it has to say is pure garbage.
