Sup Sup Forums. I need some advice

sup Sup Forums. I need some advice.

I joined a fraternity my sophomore year of college and now I am a senior. When I pledged, of course I was hazed. I didn't care so much back then... but Since then, I dropped out of school for a semester. I came back and said that I can't afford dues because I can barely afford school. Well, because I can't pay dues and went "inactive", there's a rule that once you are no longer active, you can longer become active again.

Basically, if you decide not to pay dues even once for ANY reason, you cannot rejoin, even if you can pay later.

That being said, I'm still on their 'listserv" and I get their chapter notes. I have a notification of an upcoming hazing event and I could completely blow the whistle on it just to say "Fuck you" to our new president (who is pretty much a nazi anyway)

The question is, do you think if I did that I could get money out of it somehow? I live in a state where it is completely illegal to haze, so this would result in most of the people I used to call my friends getting arrested.

Should I blow the whistle?

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What do they usually do for hazing?

>do it for money
Fuck dude, id do it for free

Do you have a smaller pics ?

Well. The simplest things include forcing them to drink nasty shit with high alcohol content.

Examples include:
Liquorball Sandwiches (a piece of bread drenched to the point it falls apart when you pick it up with vodka)

Boiled Steel Reserves (I.E. A can of steel reserve stuck in boiling hot water)


Milk and Hot sauce with a handle of gin, drink and pass boys

We've also done Thanksgiving dinner in a blender, which is basically where we put anything we can find in a blender and make them drink it. They also only get one turn each and it's quite rancid. If they don't finish, they are told they're shit and they can't even do something so simple.

additionally they are deprived of sleep. They are forced to listen to bullshit nonsense until the latest hours of the night (usually around 6 am we let them nap) with water bottle spritzing for those that decide they want to sleep. We also penalize everyone else when someone falls asleep.

Do it. If they are going to be assholes about dues then bust them open. Did anyone there ask if you needed help, or if they could help get you a part time job so you could get some cash?

Also, how much are dues!

some other examples include forcing them to swipe us in to the dining halls and the creme de la creme, Member evaluations

A member evaluation can be in a group or solo, usually they alternate.

The students are forced to recite information about our fraternity. Anything they say is wrong. They are yelled at, mocked, tormented, in a dark, cold, basement. Beer bottles are thrown, and they are told that they are not shit. They're trash. They don't belong. They suck, they'll never get in. Whatever. We do PORN ones too, where we force them to do that while loud and distracting porn is on. They have to recite the first pledge class of our fraternity and if they somehow manage to do that, we make them do them backwards. They are spit on, flicked cigs at, everything short of physical harm

no, they didn't. not at all. early dues are 700. on time dues are 750

why are fraternities so fucking retarded? what is the point of all this? OP please call the cops on those morons.

no, you shouldn't.

first of all you won't get any money. second of all - they won't get in any trouble.

source:
President of a frat in college. We got into a fight with another frat - I tried to blackmail them re: their hazing ( which is illegal ) - and it all fell to shit. About all I succeeded in was they didn't press charges against one of our guys - but we still ended up paying a shit ton of money for damage we did to their house.

Just move on with your fucking life. You don't need a bunch of those cunts gunning for you either.

it works actually. binds you together as a group ( your year ) and also with the larger frat experience. You feel proud of it afterwards, like a right of passage.

what do people even get out of fraternities? do people join them because they are staggeringly insecure/a huge loser and desperately need to fit in?

canadian collegefag here so I've never been exposed to frat culture

Another thing that's pretty standard we force our "Associate members" (since saying the word pledge falls under the university hazing umbrella, the term "pledges" is a term to be used only off campus) to come and clear our houses.


They clean our living rooms, kitchens, bathrooms. Lawns, if there was a party. They are forced to come at early hours to avoid trash tickets, so usually around 7 am on saturdays and sundays after they partied until like 2 or 3. They have no choice. If someone WERE to refuse to clean, we would drop them... but that never happens.

I honestly only believe you would feel proud if you were the douchey chadbro type. what good is this binding?

If you think that they wouldn't get in trouble, you're wrong. They've already gotten in trouble for it, and faced probation. There are serious consequences for the kind of hazing that they do and with my knowledge and outright PROOF (which is usually the biggest factor is them not being able to prove it) I could definitely fuck them over.

The point of joining a fraternity is supposed to be brotherhood but really it's just a drinking club and we get to drink with hot girls all the time and it's easier to meet people if you're in a fraternity

They're retarded to keep faggots like you out.
The worth of a fraternity is the connections you make with people, connections which you will leverage to bolster your success in the future.

If any faggot could be a member the bond found in being a member wouldn't be as strong.

Do it bro... For the LULZ...

Such a strong bond. Our fraternity constantly reminded us upon initiation " you will belong to this organization until you die, you are brother now"

but guess what? so much for brotherhood. so much for being a member forever. If you can't pay dues, even once, you're kicked out. You can still be associated with the fraternity, you can still be friends with some of the guys, but they won't take your money and let you back in? That's FUCKING hypocritical and stupid

Or you could just not be a moron and get good grades, and figure out how to network without having to drink somebody elses piss. Oh well, if people so desperately need to feel like they belong then so be it.

And why would you fuck them over again? I don't see it turning out well for you, but w/e. go for it.

you are pigeonholing frats as chadbro types, and you are sort of correct. Let me give you a difference example.

I was in boyscouts. My first year ( I was 11 I think ) we had a final hike at the end of the year. It was the Initiation hike. It was basically a weeked of hazing. It was pretty lord of the flies.

>We were assigned numbers, no use of names. forgetting your number, punishment
>Had to memorize shit - forgetting, getting anything wrong - punishment
>not allowed to talk without permission

oh and the best part.. all of this shit was being run by leadership corp. Who were basically 14-17 year olds. The final night was pretty ugly - we were kept out in groups , marched around in cold, huddled together for warmth at times. We would be brought one at a time to the various "altars" where people would scream at us while we recited scouts oath / pledge / etc. Kids would break down crying - which was the worst ( for them ) . They would be sent back into the cold, screamed at more - you learned really fast not to fucking cry.

I remember one kid, had to like.. sit on s tick, basically a stick up his ass that he had to lean on. Another kid was accidentally set on fire.. I guess he had sprayed wd-40 on his jeans to water proof them.. some of the older guys were scaring kids by like using these jacked up lighters that would shoot flame like a foot, and his pants caught.

Anyway, you get the idea right? cont..

So are the leaders of the frat making bank or what? If everybody is paying them 750/month...

How can people be such psychopaths? You have to have a seriously unhealthy lack of empathy to actually do that to people.

Food for thought, the fraternity is not a job... There is no "whistle blowers" protection. Since you were a person of power at one point they, you should have reported it before you became book-keeper. If they go down now... So do you. At that point, pray for a good deal with the prosecutor for cooperating.

yeah you absolutely could. You'll never be as close to a frat dude as you would be if you were in the frat, unless you were friends before. Plus older members (like not in college anymore) can be more agreeable when they find out you went to the same frat. It's more than networking.
The funniest part is not every member even makes full use of the connections, a lot of them become nothings who don't ever ask for help and so got hazed for nothing.

yeah that seems odd to me. But every year is different, nevermind the frats. Just based off what I read so far it seems you weren't really that involved with the dudes in it though.

I've missed my dues a bunch, but had my brothers cover for me and pay them back later. Honestly it seems like it's on you.
But blow the whistle anyway.

Also... If you don't turn them in. BURN THOSE FUCKING BOOKS. That's evidence that can seriously get you in trouble.

no, whoever owns the frat house makes the money. probably some property management corporation.

no one makes bank at the student level. frats are constantly struggling to make ends meet.

cont....

I came through that and I was proud of it. It sucked, it was hell, but I felt that I had earned my place. And I'm sad to say, I took part in the other end as well.. I hazed kids, I ran altars, I made little 10 year old boys cry. We did shit like.. deliberately attack all their senses. Played warped music, burn sulfur to hit their sense of smell, sleep deprivation, isolation, peer pressure - it was a mess.

But that shared suffering is a useful tool - especially when you yourself graduate to be the one causing the suffering. You become uhm.. entrenched.. isnt' the right word but I'm tired. You become part of it.

no, you just have to find a way to justify it.

>We all had to do it
>It weeds out people who don't really want to be here
>cmon, it isn't that big a deal - quit being such a pussy

And remember too - when you are dealing with young kids and young adults - their sense of right and wrong is still very squishy.. not to mention kids lack the cognitive ability to uhm.. like long term consequences.

We weren't psychopaths - we just did what was done to us, and if you couldn't take it, you sucked.

But when I got older, and I saw frats doing that shit, I just laughed. No way I was going to play that game as an adult.

anyway - hope that was insightful a bit. very late here.

So fraternities are just another mafia of the mediocre?

Allowing incompetent idiots to glad-hand their way into positions they are too inept to get into through merit?

God bless the American dream.

I feel like these connections aren't at all as good as people are making them out to be. Unless you picked some obscure field it can't be that hard to land a job. After my co-op I was guaranteed a job after grad and will start making ~55k/year.

And I definitely feel like the stereotypical frat member isn't taking a STEM degree...

They used to be. Now they are just social organizations. Maybe if you are like in some secret society bullshit at yale or whatever.

OK thanks for sharing your insight. I can't believe how regular people can get so fucked up. It's very sad.

man look at the military - break you down, build you up, train you to do whatever you need to do.

Here is another good think about regular people doing fucked up stuff. classic psychology.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

The herd need is very strong - peer pressure is very strong - urge to belong you know? Take a group, isolate them, tell them they are special, different, only we understand you - you are our brother, all that shit. give them purpose. give them community. people will do anything to protect their brother, their family, their tribe.

Didn't care about the reasons, just do it. Jail is like government hazing.

Military isn't fucked up like that though. Sleep deprivation and PT isn't the same as psychologically torturing children IMO. I can understand how easily manipulated people can be though. I'd like to say I'd never take part in that as a kid, but who knows. I know for a fucking fact I'd never do it in college though. Didn't need that shit.

>though, thought, though

Yep it's 4:30 am and I'm on the cusp of being hungover after being drunk all night.

As long as you wear certain clothes or call yourself something, you'll get some followers and a degree of power. Some ugly cult leaders swim in pussy.

It's not just in jobs. If you ever need help in anything, you have these connections to call upon. While the stereotype of a frat member isn't in STEM that doesn't mean there isn't any who are.

You're thinking very narrow-minded, if frats truly offered no advantage to normal networking they wouldn't be a thing.

that's just what you fags tell yourselves to endure all that shit, LOL

you're nothing to them

you mean like all the other mind numbingly stupid things that "are a thing"?

I only think they're a thing because people are weak and pathetic, or want to feel powerful.

You will get no money from it, but you will get the sweet satisfaction of revenge. So I say do it.

this

show them a true hazing

>Sleep deprivation and PT isn't the same as psychologically torturing children IMO

same principle

Who is "them"? When you're a member you are "them", and yeah maybe none of them really care about me but the fact that we were in the frat is enough for them to lend a hand every now and then.
I mean I've already reaped benefits and I'm not done college yet.

yeah you're right user, everything exists because people are dumb and you're the only sane one on this world.
Get a grip on reality, man.

I don't doubt that that plays a big role in it as well. I'm not denying that there's a lot of pissing contests and displays of power, but that's shit that's inherent to humanity not fraternities.

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Do not do it.
You do it, your friends will know you're the whistle blower.
If they got out after 3-9 months and they know you're the one, your life will turn to shit completely and you'll have no friends.
And fuck you, fucking rat

being dumb and being insane are two different things

helping each other should not rely upon being in a frat and going through a stupid ass hazing ritual beforehand

you wonder why the world is a shit hole? because of the mentality people like you propagate

ours were based on military basic training stuff. our troop "men" were all ex military. and drunks. lol.


I only read a bit of this, but it is worth looking at.

thewisesloth.com/2013/10/25/how-and-why-military-basic-training-brainnwashes-recruits/

brainwashing is terrible word. Think more initiating! or even indoctrinating though that has bad connotation too. You become part of the tribe.

they are the rats, they turned their backs on him because he couldn't pay his dues once, kek

WHAT A GREAT DISPLAY OF BROTHERHOOD

I'm curious what it is you hope to do with your life, and how you plan to achieve those goals.
Because I find it hard to believe you're anything but a loser when you can't comprehend human bonding and how struggles, even fake and forced ones like hazing, bring people closer together.

(You)

>struggle
>hazing
looks like the liquorballs killed off too many of your braincells already

Hi. I'm OP not him

I was the first one to finish my liquor ball sandwich and the only one to not puke from it so fuck you

if you went to some place where every day was a life or death situation and survival meant relying upon your comrades

after that you could tell me there was a special bond between you

you on the other hand are just a buch of stupid kids playing games

what kind of pussy boys are you, puking from a little booze like that

did they fuck you in your boypussy ass afterwards?

>who is pretty much a nazi anyway
Pic related.

Frats are shit and they dress like shit. The only worthwhile frat to join is the animal house one they looked like fun that werent assholes

I lived in a fraternity as a boarder for two years. Had a good time but would never join one. Most pathetic group of people I have ever met. Stuck in high school mode. Think "popularity" is actually a thing in the real world (protip: if the ~500 people in fratland think you're joe cool but the other ~40000 students think you're stupid and annoying as fuck you aren't "popular"). Only mix amongst themselves and with sorority girls who are basic af and the biggest sluts you will ever meet. Think their traditions and pseudo-masonic bullshit actually mean something.

Frat guys prey on weak minded youth (re: 17/18 yo freshmen) because they are the only ones who give a shit. I literally saw a kid cry because he didn't get pinned first round. Like his whole adult life was predicated upon whether or not he was going to be accepted into a silly club.

>bonding and how struggles
>struggles
holy fuck you liberal cuckboys are disconnected from reality.

Look it's not some war-veteran-escaped-a-pow-camp-together type of bond. It's more like me and this stranger have something in common, we went through the BS of hazing and now it's easier for us to bond.

OPs story is proof that being in the frat isn't enough to get help, you actually have to put effort into forming the friendships and networking still, but it makes it easier.

And besides, playing games together is a fantastic way to make friends.

no u

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do it

so basically you're saying the hazing is stupid shit that only contributes like 20% to the actual bonding process

I agree user

yeah those god damn buzzword buzzwords!
kek, you don't know shit about my politics.

Liquor ball sandwiches were not the first thing we did.


First we drank a bowl, and by bowl I mean large punch bowl, full of preworkout and jungle juice.
We each had to drink, and pass, until it was gone.

Then, we drank an handle of 90 proof gin with a half gallon of egg nog and a gallon of milk. we had to finish both. The milk had hot sauce in it.

Then we drank two bowls of tequila "surprise" from a different, larger punch bowl.

THEN we ate liquor ball sandwiches.

Finally we were forced to boiled four lokos mixed with shots of "mystery liquor"
every single one of us blacked out

yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.
Well that and it gate-keeps the faggots.

1: Compile all evidence into an electronic file
2: Anonymously email frat administration, present this evidence.
3: Give them an option - pay btc or you drop the info to the media and police
4: ?????
5: Profit

yeah it keeps the fags in the frats alright kek

that's my usual saturday night dinner

>kek, you don't know shit about my politics.
I know enough to see I hit a nerve.

You're literally upset you're not in a childish club. That's the sum of your story.

Goddamn. I mean this sincerely and not as a troll/bait/nigger; grow up. Move on.

I bet you'd be a lot happier if Sup Forums had IDs, huh?
keking@urlaif

that's not OP either dumbass. I am

There's a fundamental difference between torturing children and torturing adults IMO

>but that's shit that's inherent to humanity not fraternities

Sure, but Frats are just shitty peoples ways to exploit it, which makes those who take part fucking morons.

Fucking moron, it doesn't take somebody who is not a loser to see that frat hazing is unbelievably stupid, even if it creates bonds (that are more often than not useless, especially because you're either bonding to a pathetic insecure bitch or a psychopathic cunt.

>I'm so proud that I can eat shit and not puke

this guy gets it

Advice applies to both of you, honestly.

I'm about to blow your fucking world but look up how many business owners were in some frat.
Doesn't matter that they're immature, image-obsessed douchebags, those douchebags go on to run things sometimes.

I'm not arguing that assholes doing asshole things doesn't sometimes lead to success but rather the idea of it as a whole is retarded and those who take part are awful people.

By the way if you're young and have the opportunity to live in a frat house then go for it. Just don't join. I had the distinct pleasure of living there and made a lot of great friends, attended all the parties, drank for free, etc without having to do all the brown nosing pledge process and HW bullshit.

Frat guys will say that the bonds between their "brothers" are stronger and "forever" (they push the brotherhood thing nonstop and its kind of pathetic, end their emails and shit with "fraternally, x name here") but I can tell you for certain that there are still "groups" within a frat and a lot of people fucking hate each other.

People in here talking about the networking potential are half right. The vast majority of alums aren't shit and can't really do anything to help you. Also you don't need a network if you study STEM. Plus, like I said a lot of the guys fucking hate each other -- there are frat guys I'm good friends with who would sooner give me a job than one of their "brothers".

yeah and I'm not disagreeing with you.
But I'm going to be an awful person who can afford a 3 lvl house and you're going to be a good person who can't, and if you can you worked harder for it than I did.

manchildren helping each other get in high positions, yeah pretty much what grand emperor trump is doing, must be a good road to walk upon then

Why can't people just make friends normally?

You're THAT sure that some douche you became friends with is going to land you a sick high paying job? I highly doubt that unless you are in the highest echelon of the group there'll be any chance of that happening. And even if you are it's still slim. You'll still have to get some shit job because the only way your connections are going to have any sway in who gets hired is if they are working, with distinction, in their field for 5-10 years. So in that time you'll be slogging away like normal people unless you get really REALLY lucky or one of the fratbros parents are super rich and own the company they'll be working for anyways.

That's the thing.

After observing four pledge classes rush, pledge, and graduate I learned a lot. A lot of rich kids and more than a few internationals.

I think the fraternity model draws in people who are thrust out of their bubble/comfort zone and into adult life.

I live in a big city and a lot of these guys are 17 or 18 years old and have come from the upper middle or straight up upper class suburbs into the big city for the first time and are attending this huge university with around ~80,000 students all up (post grads, part timers, etc).

They are scared. They don't know what to do. Fraternities rope them in by offering them an instant circle of friends, a home base (the chapter house)and smaller community within the wider city (frat/sorority houses are almost always on the same street(s) or within a block or two of each other, access to girls (as stupid and slutty as they may be) and a guiding force from the senior class.

Ultimately I think the vast majority of people who join frats are those who were sheltered their entire lives and are woefully unprepared for and/or afraid of adulthood -- they desperately cling to the safe, small, familiar surroundings of high school and find this in frat life.

That makes a lot of sense. I come from a lower class family myself so perhaps that is why I abhor the notion of fraternities.

yes, I'm THAT sure that if I stay in touch at least 1 out of 30 will become something worthwhile. I know that it's a pay off for the future, not now. That's what I was saying the worth was.
And even if they don't I got good memories out of it anyway, and again, I've already reaped benefits.

Im from the middle class or suburbs but ive always hated the idea that to be a part of this exclusive club or to get friends you have to go through bullshit that makes you sick. Comparing them as to "struggles " is pathetic and sad that you cant make friends normally that you have to do this

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Better hope that 1 works for a company that fits what your career is. Or do all of you fratbros just take business? Also while you're not working harder than me while working at a shitty job after grad by the time one of your buds can hook you up I'll probably already have enough experience to be able to get a position as good as if not better than yours.

>I was 11 I think
>It was pretty lord of the flies.
Mothefucling what ?

do it shlomo, its in your blood

you just don't get it. I can and still do make friends normally, but there's 2 choices.
1) Join the frat, get access to those connections
2)Don't join it, work harder for those connections

Faced with those choices one seems more likely and more easily to lead to success than the other.

>I want to change my answer to rape

Fuck every one who thinks like you. Kill yourself.

>dont join work harder
What is hazing and paying dues? And thats if you get picked into the club in the first place

>we just did what was done to us
t. Stanford experiment

Let me guess, you think college is both mandatory and ensures a job 100%

No, I expect that if the business doesn't match what I studied then I'll be given an higher-than-entry position where I can learn how to function in the business with experience. And if I fail to perform well I'll get fired, but I'll have more leniency than any random fuck.

You know what that's a good point and the more I think about it the less I feel secure in my retort, so I'll concede the point.

Liable. The word you're searching for is liable, willing participant.

>someone ousted my thread as retarded so imma gonna agree with the most weaksauce point here.

OP is always a fag

Sure there is a slim chance this will happen and will make it so that you ingesting shit and being tortured for years is worth it but too bad you can't just be good at what you do to get to that position of leniency and not being a shitty person.

I mean if you're smart you don't have to work THAT much harder.

Thats big of you user I respect you for saying that. I just remembered that when I was little and growing up I wanted to hangout with my older siblings and cousins and the only way theyd let me is if Id do gross and embarrassing stuff. One time in particular was after my grandfathers funeral and my older siblings and cousins were going to see my grandfathers grave. Theyd only let me come along if I licked the bottom of one of their shoes and they didnt let me come like a lot of other previous times. I was only like 10 or less so I didnt know about being humiliated

The point of my story that having to do something humiliating or something you dont want to do to have a friend can feel humiliating and the people that go on repeating the hazing lack empathy if they do this to another person

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