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2. Your opinion on Middle Eastern dictators?

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the pattern with all those dictators is that, had foreign powers stayed away, MENA wouldn't be so bad

SYRIA ALLAH BASHAR
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cant mossad the assad

They are not bad. Democracy must be introduced gradually

Why?

It doesn't work properly at first and people hate it

Better than American (((democracy)))

>Now, Israel's Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman has clearly warned Syria of what will come if another missile is fired at an IAF jet, stating: "The next time the Syrians use their air defense systems against our airplanes, we will destroy all of them without thinking twice."
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Christopher Hitchens on Iraq

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Gaddafi did nothing wrong.

What kind of punishment should the countries that destabilized and destroyed Syria and Libya receive?

Saddam would've been alright if he didn't gas Kurds. Ba'athism is a nationalistic socialism and that's alright by me.
Gaddafi is a legend.
Assad hasn't done anything that his enemies haven't done.

they all are just asshole riches. ultra materialistic. i dont think its worth mentioning

The Gold Dinar.

This. I don't think they are the greatest people, but it was at least better than what the countries have now.

America flooded Europe with refugees

What's with the military uniforms

Gaddafi and Assad are based. Saddam sucked ass but it wasn't worth blowing up Iraq to remove him.

Dual citizen with Germany. I think we shouldn't kill them in the name of democracy (more oil and money for Saudis and Israelis, and more refugees for Europe)

>Hitler
>Stalin
Time honoured dictator's tradition

they got the job done

As they are/were dictators they are also the supreme commanders of the armed branches.

>honoring Hitler without the batcape

Literally could not give less a shit, sand monkeys deserve nothing short of a drone strike

my parents almost died in the plane gadaffi blew up in Scotland.

Should have kept Assad and Hussein, though.

>Vietnam
You guys had a good dictator in my books. what's the general consensus on Ho Chi Minh in modern-day Vietnam?

What do you think? The personality cult last for fucking forever
Not that I'm complaining, don't wanna go to jail, plus he honestly isn't all that bad like the burgers made of him. He did get us out of the shit with the French and Americunt

Oy vey! How dare the goyim defend themselves from being bombed in deep within their own airspace!

>Support Saddam's removal because of muh Islamic fascism
>Brings the rise of a much crazier group of people than Hitch could ever imagine
If only this bastard lived a bit longer

they are really good people.
American colony Japan is just hell

Democracy is satanic religion.
Democracy country nuked Japan.

Pretty much cartoon villains. They were unethical by American standards but they were ultimately acting to stop a greater evil from rising to power. We were not so different, them and us. While we did win the battle we must now suffer the war as our mutual enemy grows stronger.

I'm really hoping for a last-season reconciliation where everyone gets together to fight the big bad, but that's probably not going to happen.

Saddam wasn't necessary for stability. Iraq could have been much more stable if the Bath party wasn't removed and the Americans didn't leave before the new Iraqi government could get their shit together.

It was Bush's de-Bathification policy and Obama's premature withdraw that allowed ISIS to emerge. The insurgency in Iraq was nearly nonexistent after the surge.

Expelled us

At least they kept their countries together somehow

>Middle Eastern dictators?
Shit tier dictators.

God - European(Hitler Stalin Mussolini Franko)
Top - Asian.(mao pol pot)
Middle - Latin and Africa(Idi Amin, Pinochet)

They did nothing wrong. Fuck the western zionists.

That's what you get for attacking america

>Pinochet
>middle
what a shit taste

Red pill from sbicy saddam

How well-off were Iraqis during Saddam’s rule?

When Saddam rose to power in the late 60’s he identified the biggest issue facing Iraq at the time: sectarianism, which he sought to resolve through massively raising the quality of life for all Iraqis and advancing Iraq forward. Saddam saw that improving living standards was the only way for a stable and prosperous Iraq. (Another pillar of stability was squashing dissent, more on that later).
His efforts were successful, and by the 80’s Iraq was the most advanced Arab country by far, and one of the most developed in the world outside of America/Europe and East Asia. In fact Iraq was well on its way to reaching “developed country” status as opposed to “developing” during that time period up until the gulf war. Some of Saddam’s accomplishments include:
• Free education for all levels including postgraduate studies and scholarships abroad. Skipping school was made illegal for both sexes and by 1982 illiteracy was eradicated in the country, a feat recognized by UNESCO who awarded Saddam for it.
• Every village in Iraq had a school. Every province had at least one University. Before Saddam’s time Iraq only had four Universities. Iraqi society was famous for being highly educated in the 80’s.
• Free healthcare for every Iraqi. Every village had a clinic, every city had a hospital, and vaccines were mandatory by law. Iraq’s healthcare system was heralded as one of the most advanced in the region at the time.
• Unprecedented women rights. Women enjoyed free education (almost complete gender parity in school enrollment) and were protected by the law from sexual harassment, granted equal pay, a six month maternal leave, and had the rights to enter politics and own property/businesses. Source.
• Secular code of law that granted freedom of religion for Muslims across all sects as well as Christians, who were allowed to practice openly.

>So what? He was bankrolled by nationalizing the oil!

It’s a very common misconception that simply having oil will result in a prosperous nation. The "Resource Curse" and "Dutch Disease" are the most common outcomes of oil wealth, and there are many more failure stories than there are success stories when it comes to a country having abundant natural resources. The world is filled with such stories; need I remind you which two countries have the largest oil reserves in the world? (Venezuela and Saudi Arabia)

>Who started the Iraq-Iran War?

Iraq was one of the very first countries to open friendly diplomatic relations with Khomeini when Khomeini took over Iran because the Shah was a long time enemy of Iraq as well, having funded Kurdish insurgency inside Iraq for decades. However, Khomeini had none of it and responded by denouncing Saddam and promising to overthrow him and take over Iraq as well. When Saddam made a second attempt (as he was confused by the first) at calling for cooperation between the two countries, Khomeini, again, aggressively refused to talk and called for an Islamic revolution inside Iraq, rallying the shia Arabs around him.
Almost all media outlets say that Iraq attacked first, but they never mention that it was a preemptive strike. Iran committed border raids against Iraq and equipped their army with top of-the-line high-tech American weaponry preparing for war. They were going to invade and so Iraq struck first.
Let me reiterate the facts: Khomeini publicly called for the ousting of Saddam and instigated Iraqi Shia to overthrow the Iraqi government, trying to export his Islamic revolution across the border. Iran had over 3 times the available population (and more since the Kurdistan region was exempted from the Iraqi draft) and despite their purges and change of government, it remained the larger and much more powerful country.

Khomeini was a radical religious extremist waging jihad to institute his same fundamentalist government on Iraq. What would you have Iraq do, wait for Iran to attack (beyond the terrorist bombings and border raids, including an attempt on the life of Saddam’s deputy minister) right after they had finished prepping up their army with shiny new American weapons? A preemptive strike was the only rational option, like Israel in 1967 (whom no one accuses of starting the war despite being first to attack as well) in order to blunt the Iranian army’s force before facing the full power of one of the world's strongest militaries at that time.
Even after the war started Saddam offered a truce in 1982 which was rejected by Khomeini; if he was so peaceful the war would have ended six years before it actually did. He was a no-negotiation extremist and rebuffed peace notions in the same manner he refused cooperation and friendship earlier.
In fact Khomeini proved beyond doubt the he was the one who wanted the war because he's the only reason it went so long as it did. He refused any peace or negotiation until his military was decisively defeated and he was forced to conditionally surrender and accept peace, which he said was "worse than drinking poison." The war ended in 1988 on the back of a string of very successful victories by the Iraqi army to ended the Iranian aggression once and for all, but people still believe Saddam to have lost the war not knowing it was a defensive war in the first place against a much more powerful aggressor. Had Saddam not signed the UN treaty giving away the large swaths of land Iraq ended up conquering from Iran this claim wouldn’t be so popular.

Khomeini gave Iraq more casus belli than almost any country did in the 20th century, and anyone who claims Iraq was the instigator doesn’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. For those looking for a source, here is what Wikipedia says about it. Note that the Wikipedia article’s intro is extremely misleading by painting it as an act of aggression by Iraq, but if you take the time to scroll down and actually do some reading you’ll get to this section shedding more light into the origin of conflict (emphasis mine):
It is difficult to pinpoint when tensions began to build, but there were frequent cross-border skirmishes, largely at Iran's instigation.[15]Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called on Iraqis to overthrow the Ba'ath government, which was received with considerable anger in Baghdad.[56] On 17 July 1979, despite Khomeini's call, Saddam gave a speech praising the Iranian Revolution and called for an Iraqi-Iranian friendship based on non-interference in each other's internal affairs.[56] When Khomeini rejected Saddam's overture by calling for Islamic revolution[46] in Iraq, Saddam was alarmed.[56] Iran's new Islamic administration was regarded in Baghdad as an irrational, existential threat to the Ba'ath government, especially because the Ba'ath party, having a secular nature, discriminated and posed a threat to the Shia movement in Iraq, whose clerics were Iran's allies within Iraq and whom Khomeini saw as oppressed.[56]

>Saddam was a U.S. puppet because they helped him

This is another strange statement I get to hear every now and again. It’s true that the U.S. did help Iraq during the Iran War, but that doesn’t make Iraq its puppet. Their interests aligned so Saddam made use of all the help he can get, and Iraq came out of the war owing nothing to the U.S. and Iraqi people were not shackled by any agreements or pacts or had their wills binded to that of any further American interests. If anything, that’s an impressive feat, not something to be ashamed of. Besides Iraq also garnered help from the Soviet Union (America’s greatest enemy) as well as a couple of European and Arab countries.
The U.S. hated Iraq since Qassim, and Saddam did absolutely everything to middle-finger the US during the 1970s. People misinterpret the US's fake relationship with Iraq when Khomeini took over in Iran as BFF's just like the people who claim Germany and USSR became allies due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty. It’s just politics; two powers putting a buffer zone between them as they prepared for war against each other.
The biggest help Iraq received was from the US’s enemy, USSR, while Iran were helped by the US up until 1983 including a complete refitting of their weaponry in 1980 as Khomeini was preparing for war. Then of course there was the Iran-Contra affair, through which US support to Iran continued in secret. This is what the US does - sees conflicts and “aids” those willing to buy weapons from them. The US gained by prolonging the war and Khomeini’s insistence on prolonging it further also helped.

>What happened in 1982?

The Ba’ath Party in Iraq’s neighboring Syria supported Iran against Iraq and in 1982 Hafez alAssad cut off the Kirkuk–Banias pipeline connecting Iraq through Syria to the Mediterranean sea. Syria was already providing weaponry and soldiers to Iran, but this move incurred losses to Iraq in the region of US$5 billion per month, straining Iraq’s economy and greatly damaging its prospects in the war. The losses were eventually curtailed with loans from the gulf, most notably Kuwait, because even though Gulf countries hated Saddam the fear of Iranian spread was even greater. This event indirectly led to the Gulf War in 1990.

>Did Saddam have prejudice against Shia and Kurds?

Saddam never attacked a group that never gave him a good reason to, and he was popular in Iraq across all ethnic and religious divides. Tons of Shi'a and many Kurds supported him, and he extensively developed cities in the south and in the Kurdistan region (which he gave autonomy yet still invested heavily). Not to forget Baghdad was mostly Shi'a and that was the best city in the country.
The blame lies on the Barzani and Talabani families for always pushing Kurdish violence and warfare against Iraqis and the Iraqi government. They could have lived better than anyone else in Iraq had that not been the case, and they were even exempted from any conscription during the Iran war, but that didn’t make a difference to them.
Committing insurgencies and terrorism with Iranian backing isn't a good idea, something Barzani/Talabani have been doing since the 1940’s and what Shi'a extremist groups founded in Iran have been doing since the 1980’s. Before Iran proxy extremist groups cropped up, no Shi'a were touched by Saddam or his predecessors. Pro-government Kurds fought extensively against insurgent Kurds, both in the National Defense Battalions and in the military. Also the military was overwhelmingly Shi'a so when you think about it, the Shi'a were doing most of the fighting and killing during the Iran war. On the other side Sunnis were also killed and fought in kind when they'd revolt. Things weren't as sectarian as commonly depicted.

Also the common tendency of referring to ethno-religious groups as single-bloc hivemind monoliths is inaccurate and over-simplifying a very complex situation. If Sunni Arabs were a hivemind, there would be a single country right now stretching from Morocco to Iraq. The fact of the matter is if you turn to violence and warfare, especially during a major war where you're fighting for the enemy (who happens to be one of the most radical jihadists in the history of Islam), then don't be surprised that the army comes down on you. And it's the same way in any country in the world, nevermind a developing country with an excessively volatile society and tribal structure.
Also, let us not forget the hundreds of thousands of pro-government Kurds in the National Defense Battalions, nevermind Kurds in the army, who fought against the Peshmerga. Why were Kurds overwhelmingly fighting against Kurds? Not everything is about sectarianism and ethnic divides.
"But throughout, he was ruthless against all Islamist organizations, regardless of whether their movements were peaceful or violent, Sunni or Shia. Political affiliation in Iraq was largely based on secular ideologies. In fact, it was considered taboo to inquire about or divulge one’s religious persuasion. Saddam’s Sunni-dominated regime boasted a significant Shia presence even in the upper echelons of power. He ensured that no one group or person grew too strong. His security forces would indiscriminately purge anyone perceived as a threat. Whenever possible, he also attempted to co-opt leaders of socioeconomic minority groups, striking deals with them to keep a lid on indigenous resistance. "

Keeps the army from rebelling

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Gahddafi did nothing wrong. Fucking petro dollar