Best cape villain yet. Firm motives to save his people, plan foils setting him off in blind rage to personally kill everyone. Actually kills a lot of people and destroys a lot of shit.
DC Heath Joker - edgelord with no motive, overrated Bane - meme villain Ra's Al Ghul - Boring, forgettable, stupid motive Eisenberg Luthor - fucking terrible in every way Doomsday - shoehorned potato bullshit
MARVEL Thanos - grapefruit Loki - quips, whiny brat Ultron - stupid motives, also quips Mandarin - made him into a joke Whiplash - revenge motive good, but forgettable final showdown at the end Obadiah - just wanted to make money and didn't like Tony Yellow Jacket - just wanted to make money Malakith - no one remembers who this is Red Skull - cliche Winter Soldier - just a pawn Zemo - just some guy Ronan - cliche and angry for no reason
SONY SPIDERMAN Green Goblin - campy Venom - terrible execution of this character Sandman - Actually a good villain with motive to save his daughter, ruined by shoehorned Venom character Electro - campy and retarded Green Goblin JR. - Frankie Muniz on meth The Lizard - Good casting, had potential, retarded plan to turn everyone into lizards Dr. Octopus - 2nd best villain.
Zod is just so consistently awesome. He was great in Superman II as well, but Shannon's incarnation was just so relatable.
And so badass.
David Nelson
Zod was great but I felt midway through his tantrum/wrecking metropolis that he should have calmed down by now. Superman's dad used to like him so he's apparently not a bad guy.
It only took him a couple of days to adjust to Earth's atmosphere, so why didn't he just let his compatriots get used to it, and then they could start birthing kryptonians on Earth and they'd be fine with it since they were born into the atmosphere? Or is that a plot hole that I just now thought about?
Jayden Flores
Nothing we're shown about Kryptonian tech indicates that that's the case. Whatever else it could do, the World Engine did not seem to be self-sufficient, explaining why when Krypton cut off the colonies from resupply, they withered and died. It would also explain why the planet we see Zod visit, the one where he picks up the World Engine, was a barren planet that required them to use spacesuits to survive on.
If that means all it implies, that means that their "kryptoforming" tech relied on a constant investment of enormous amounts of energy, without which, a planet slowly reverts to its natural state. That being the case, Zod's reasoning would have been to use the World Engine to wipe Earth clean of native life, then introduce "superior" Kryptonian lifeforms and let the populace gradually become "super" over time as the Earth reverted to an equilibrium state.
Jack Cooper
It has to be build on a foundation Jor-El told this to Superman.
Daniel Carter
Because Zod and his group were a fucking commentary on jihadists. He doesn't want the world (West) and it's culture to survive, he wants to supplant it with his own.
He was a religious, extremist freak.
Joseph White
I've wondered if that level of Darwinian thought extended to Kryptonian society as a whole. Does that mean that the other planet we see Zod and crew visit at one point had indigenous life of its own?
Isaac King
TELL
Grayson Rogers
They probably did. Even Krypton was fucked because they strip-mined the planet of all it's sources.
Kevin Lee
>That moment before the final battle where he explains very explicitly what his character is in case the audiences are too dense Yeah, no.
Shannon was cool, tho.
Carson Williams
You can't blame MoS for that. Look at BvS. People are still even know wondering what Lex was all about.
Jason Wright
I can blame David Goyer for that.
Aaron Cox
I loved that scene, because it's Zod only just barely containing his seething rage long enough to explain carefully and patiently why he thinks Clark is a fucking moron and why he's about to wreck his shit for it.
Austin Butler
More like Zod practically on the verge of giving a PowerPoint presentation of why he does what he does because Goyer is a shit writer, but at least Michael Shannon gave it some life.
Seriously, this shit made the Dark Knight movies cringeworthy at times.
Charles Allen
well 1.- he is a psychopath who needs eradicate the bloodline of Jor-el 2.- he needs the codex in Superman sure he can use Mars, but then what? had a little village with his small amount of soldiers?
Bentley Bennett
I think you've put more thought into this than the screenwriters
Matthew Carter
I actually really like man of steel guys. Yeah the STOP INVINCIBLE SON part is stupid and they could've handled his death better, but zod is a good villain with a good motive. And fuck me for liking actions in my action movies right?
Dylan Lewis
Whether they intended to from inception or not, they might have given us an intriguing(and dark) secret history for Krypton. Think about this exchange:
>Jor-El: You came from Krypton, a world with a much harsher environment than Earth's. Long ago, in an era of expansion, our race spread out through the stars, seeking new worlds to settle upon. This scout ship was one of thousands launched into the void. We built outposts on other planets, using great machines to reshape environments to our needs. For 100 thousand years our civilization flourished, accomplishing wonders.
>Clark Kent: What happened?
>Jor-El: Artificial population control was established. The outposts and space exploration were abandoned. We exhausted our natural resources.
That seem like maybe Jor-El's leaving out a detail or two? Like, *why* population control and the abandonment of colonization coincide? What did they find out there that sent them running home?
Brayden Nguyen
Are we pulling from movies only?
Easton Mitchell
When people on one side of a disagreement think they are right they tend to explain things.
Think of it as one big Sup Forums flame war but with massive cataclysmic death and laser beams.
Mason Nelson
Zod is literally retarded.
Finds a planet that turns his people into gods and decides to pump the atmosphere full of poison so kids won't have to be uncomfortable while they adjust to their powers.
They should have stopped at his plan being to slaughter all the humans so his people could have the planet to themselves.
Robert Flores
Are you me?
The damn tornado scene was lame but everything else about MoS was on point.
Asher Harris
>I don't watch these ever. Faggy costumes.
Magneto(both) and Peter Dinklage are pretty good villains in those movies.
Elijah Lee
How come Superman could come back to life - twice - from a literal nuke and kryptonite, but Zod couldn't come back from a snapped neck?
Gabriel Campbell
Something about kryptonians not being able to reproduce without that code written into supes or whatever I don't really remember
Benjamin Gutierrez
The World Engine would have done a great job of wiping us all out in one fell swoop. Also, terraforming Earth wouldn't do crap to our sun. They'd have still been super, only slightly less so.
Jeremiah Hughes
X-men has Fassbender Magneto who is the best.
Wyatt Gomez
Zod is good, but I still prefer Doc Oc (Spiderman 2 in general is my favourite superhero movie). Oc is this great combination of sorrow and madness; incredibly sympathetic, but nonetheless menacing.
Luke Jones
Tell that to Zods snapped neck
Easton Price
BvS, with it's shitty Luthor and horrible fucking Doomsday fight made me appreciate Man of Steel and Zod in particular so much fucing more.
Carson Jones
Never understood the genocidal part of Zod. Seemed like if he really wantes his people to survive he would have worked with the people of Earth to some degree. Seemed like poor writing to me. Idk. To each their own.
Colton Hernandez
We don't know yet. But as a long-time fan of the comics, I don't think the nuke recovery wasn't death, just near death. Sort of like how it was depicted in "The Dark Knight Returns," but thankfully without the "oh, Superman can somehow absorb metabolized sunlight straight from a rain forest after he prays to Mother Earth" bit.
Henry Rivera
Zod's story is the story of American colonization. Except we're the filthy natives and we won with the help of a turncoat. Basically Avatar happened.
Jaxon Baker
I agree. Doc Ock was great, and that hospital scene was legit spooky. It really sells how deadly the arms are.
Christian Ramirez
>Magneto >Villain
Can't Pass on the Fass, but Magneto is ambiguous to say the least.
Eli Russell
At the start of the film Jor El talks about how Earth's atmosphere is more nourishing.
And Zod says that he wants to terraform earth so their kids won't have to go through the adjustment period Superman had to do as a kid.
And Superman loses his powers when he boards the Kryptonian ship. But he gets them back as soon as Jor El changes the atmospherics.
All of which suggests the atmosphere is a critical component of Superman's power in this universe.
Nathaniel King
How could there be no more of them left if they spread out for 100 thousand years?
Unless....
Are we krypton dependents?
Tyler Hughes
yo comicfags help me out, what was that alien thing Lex was chilling with at the end of BvS?
Jace Taylor
Steppenwolf
Jonathan Reed
God damn it *Descendants
Levi Ward
It's great how Lex's philanthropy speech and his references to the Prometheus myth are all directly applicable to what Supes did in MoS.
Jose Thomas
The band?
Kevin Richardson
Doomsday. He kills superman in a pretty famous comic. The movie did an homage to that.
In the Justice League cartoon series a superman from a parallel universe lobotomizes Doomsday with his laser eyes.
That's about all I know.
Evan Cooper
Michael Shannon is always interesting in any movie he makes. So it's not a fair comparison.
Even his face becomes more grotesque, statuesque and unique -- literally god like -- as he ages.
Parker Morales
The atmosphere is mainly responsible for the "superfeels" like vision and hearing. If you notice, the Jax Ur(the doctor/scientist) even mentions that the ship's actively doing something to suppress the energy Clark had already absorbed. I think they started doing so pretty much the instant he stepped aboard and that he didn't notice until he'd become vulnerable enough to suffer from the harsher environment.
Noah Diaz
Thanks. Hope he's in future DC shit, looks cool.
REALLY hope DC doesn't make a habit of killing their antagonists off after one movie like a certain other company.
Lincoln Bell
I definitely think that Kryptonian heritage is going to be part of the explanation for metahumans like the Flash. In the comics, there's a sort of "Engineer" race that seeded a ton of worlds in our galaxy with life. I was sort of amazed to see both Stargate and Prometheus borrow from that, although I'm sure there's similar lore in other older sci-fi stories as well, though none spring to mind.
Jonathan Campbell
MoS and BvS will be regarded as criminally underrated in 10 years time after all the comic book nerds have died from AIDS
Angel Harris
As in, "The Wolf of the Steppes." It's the title of a German book from which both the band and Jack Kirby took the name.
Gavin Cook
Doc Ock and Zemo were both better
Colton Howard
>Amber Heard in Justice League
Why would anyone hire her? What the fuck Snyder?
Cooper Sanders
He's really an almost nobody even in the comics, besides from having a cool armor and hangin around the New Gods the only memorable thing he's ever done is killing alternate versions of Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman back in 2011. Theyve probably chosen him as the villain cause he's expendable, they can actually kill him and use it as an excuse to bring the other New Gods (ie Darkseid) to Earth in another movie.
John Foster
No.
Carter Hall
Yes, they were, and most of the world would agree with me
Thomas Collins
I'd be careful bandying about such terms as "most of the world." Take a look at who most of the world is populated by sometime.
Take a good, long look. Zod was right.
Sebastian Clark
Probably because Zod still wasn't fully 100% adjusted.
Camden Price
> why would anyone hire drop dead gorgeous women to be in their film
is there some reason not to hire her im unaware of?
David Clark
She sucks.
Lucas Reed
Doomsday didn't need to adjust
Jonathan Powell
yeah guess what, so do the majority of actresses. They're payed to be high level eye candy, not thespians
Scarlett jewhanson has been the same dull, lifeless hack for her entire career but they keep hiring her too
John Baker
Doomsday was gestated here and enjoying the benefits of hybrid vigor, not to mention that adaptation has always been one of his trademarks.
Christian Wright
>Adapt this
Why didn't he?
Levi Clark
That's a really good point. I wonder if the fact that he developed here means that on top of everything else, Superman's bones would even be stronger than an adult Kryptonian being exposed to Earth's environment for the first time.
Dylan Phillips
We don't even know for sure that he's dead, yet. He might just come back to life if anyone's dumb enough to remove that spear. Like a vampire.
Oliver Stewart
When Superman comes back to life, the government will want their safe measure back. They'll take the kryptonite and then shoot Doomie into space or something.
Nolan Robinson
Zod is easily the best. Agree with your opinion on lizard and sandman, ledger worked precisely because he came out of no where with apparently no motivation. He's supposed to be someone who's motives and history is unknown, which was nailed perfectly.
Ledger isn't overrated at all, but the movie as a whole is.
We don't know enough about what the the world engine was capable of.
People hear "terraforming" and assume it can turn any planet into krypton. It would have had certain criteria a plant would need to fit to work (eg a certain amount of water)
Benjamin Morales
They hired her to be Aquaman's wife long before the Depp divorce fallout.
Although the rumour is she used Depp's connections to land that role.
Chase Johnson
Yep, pretty much. I dare you to watch this bit of dialog and not get goosebumps
He didn't want to coexist, he wanted krypton to be restored to its former glory, which doesn't include sharing power.
He's is the definition of a black and white character. No compromise.
Gavin Martinez
>edgelord with no motive He has a motivation, silly OP. He wanted to get rid off Batman and he did it.
Kayden Gutierrez
Why do you hate it though. It was a great monologue and was very fitting for Zod. Zod was extremely direct so it makes sense for him bluntly and coldly explaining how he feels and what he's going to do.
There's nothing wrong with a speech like that when it's don't by a character like Zod, who's established to be like that right from the beginning.
Eli Wood
I liked magneto is Apocoplyse, how is he in DOFP and first class?
Michael Sullivan
He has his powers in outer space, outside the Earth's atmosphere, though.
Evan Cox
Better.
Hunter Powell
>I'm going to make them suffer, Kal.
Gets me every time. Logic and reason right out the window. It's all about revenge for him at that point.
Dominic Russell
Essentially, he's a big guy telling Clark he doesn't get to bring friends.
Michael Clark
You really should watch the newer XMen movies, OP. Days of Future Past is the best Marvel related capeshit since Spiderman 2.
Alexander Barnes
One of us.
Isaiah Gonzalez
>I was sort of amazed to see both Stargate and Prometheus borrow from that, although I'm sure there's similar lore in other older sci-fi stories as well, though none spring to mind.
To traditional kryptonians, natural reproduction is disgusting. Zod calls it heresy.
Luke Rivera
David Goyer ruins every Great potential movie he helps writing. The best Nolan batman is the one he had the least input in.
Ryder Bailey
Good one. There have got to be older examples, though. The comic lore I'm talking about was introduced throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
I bet there's at least one episode of TOS that touches on the subject of a progenitor species.
Landon Stewart
I unironically enjoyed the I WILL FIND HIM scene. Imagine you're Superman's mom, listening to this shit. You know he is fucked and can't escape, but he is filled with so much rage that you almost believe him-that he will find a way out of endless purgatory and fuck up your kid's shit.
And as a viewer, you fucking know he isn't bullshitting about finding Supes. In the supposed final moments of Zod's life, he is screaming into Lara's face. It's great.
Connor Ward
That fanatic zeal in his eyes really makes you believe that *she* would believe him and fear for her son.
Damnit there is and i cant think of the name of it.
Jacob Peterson
Heath's Joker did have a motive, to prove that even the best people can turn evil if you push them hard enough
Nicholas Jones
Agree with most of your list except the Joker. Doc Ock is a great villain. He just wants to build his sun-reactor-thing.
Bentley Hernandez
best villain because he had the best actor.
Easton Martinez
If Kryptoninas could make something from nothing then they wouldn't have had a resources problem in the first place. Is this really one of the complaints that ruins MoS for people?
Adrian Rivera
>Zod was great but I felt midway through his tantrum/wrecking metropolis that he should have calmed down by now
I dunno user. Go find a new mother and stab her baby to death. See how long it takes for her to calm down
Zachary Wright
ETSU BATSU i've just broken the curse, calm down everyone