Is Star Trek just socialist propaganda...

Is Star Trek just socialist propaganda? After all Gene Roddenberry was a commie and they also promote heavy multiculturalism. Should it be banned?

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>post-scarcity

the funny thing is star treks socialist utopia only works because they have magic replicator technology that creates whatever resources they need kek

It's not just socialist propaganda. If anything it's the living in a rank structure that makes it so compelling.

>replicators are common
>yet there are still places where people use money to buy food on DS9 and on Earth

explain this

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DS9 was the "fuck you Roddenberry" of the Star Trek series, though.

socialism would be the most moral form of economic management in a post-scarcity society

shame that in the real world it's incredibly inefficient on scales larger than 10 or 20 people, susceptible to corruption, and invariably leads to food shortages.

Pretty sure they never showed anyone paying at Sisko's.

The only time socialism ever worked was fiction, and even then it was ruined by a retarded leader.

You can still charge for actual food that's been cooked rather than replicated, hipsters will still probably exist in the future.

As for Quarks, I get why people paid to use his holosuites but never why they paid for drinks. Unless they are actual drinks rather than replicated ones, I don't remember.

Who cleaned out all the cum from holodecks?

Socialist and Communists societies will never excel for one simple reason: they ignore human nature and motivation.

If me working harder than you doesn't produce any benefits (as in a communist society), then there is no reason for me to work any harder than the next guy.

Without motivation, nobody is pulling 24hour sessions at the lab, innovating, trying to make deadlines. Nobody needs to excel.

Society then becomes: bare minimum effort needed to survive

All societal ideologies ignore parts of nature that they dont want to think about.

Capitalism is a mechanism that does not care about human health or the environment if its not extreme enough to cause big enough losses.

Those problems would not be in a society where all resources are abundant and no one would need to work.
In the scenario like in Star Trek the only work done would be because of passion or sense of duty, which would be enough to continue progress and culture.

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Well, Hitler was a big big big SOCIALIST, you know, with the National SOCIALISM thing. So, yeah. We hate Hitler, thus Star Trek should be banned.

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TNG was socialist 'we cannot judge others' wank
TOS was full on liberal 'fuck your shit culture' heroics
KIRK > picard

currency still exists in ST, federation has credits..
klingons have darsek and ferengi use gold pressed latinum.

people can accumulate wealth and property, it's just not a priority for most, and not required since everything you need to survive is provided for free.

replicated food and drinks have a certain taste and yeah, Quark serves real alcohol along with syntheol.

Enterprise was said to clean itself, I assume so does, at least the holosuites.

I'm not sure to what degree something can be considered propaganda if the basis of it clearly relies on fantasy technology.

It's portraying an utopia. Utopia are fictions by definition, propaganda is about applying these ideologies to reality ultimately denying that they just don't work.

Star Trek is what I'd call a socialist fantasy. The federation exists in a post scarcity world. It is only in such a world that socialism could work. It's a nice ideal. However we do not have matter replicaters, so it couldn't be applied to our world.

> the aquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives

i wonder how they find new technology and resources?

"hi, we are here to bring peace. as part of this process, we will need you to share your resources and technology."

capitalism means wealth creation. socialism means stagnation. a grand galactic fleet could never be made on that.

I personally dislike Roddenberry's vision of the future as a setting for entertainment for the simple fact it's boring, but I really respect the fact he actually wanted to depict a morally and ethically advanced society, rather than showing the same old primal human dramas being enacted over and over again in a futuristic setting (cf: Star Wars).

Gene R. actually wrote the novelization of Star Trek the Motion Picture and it's quite interesting as he describes humanity starting to become almost like a hive mind, with starships crewed by people like Kirk who are rugged individualists in comparison and find earth too stifling.

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No it isn't. If it was every human in ST would be a brown mutt ruled by "the elites" class.

All you are going to do by saying that is make things worse, but you know that, and are just trying to stir shit up.

Collective consciousness is probably real.

>probably
it's -probably- not since all evidence points against it.

Meme magic says otherwise, human social trends say otherwise.

Sisko's dad owns a restaurant

Hi, I'm Miles O'Brien and I'm a syntheholic

Smells like ancap. Here enjoy utopian picture of perfect society.

>i wonder how they find new technology and resources?

R&D and exploration.

>"hi, we are here to bring peace. as part of this process, we will need you to share your resources and technology."

Get access to other resources and technology.

>capitalism means wealth creation. socialism means stagnation. a grand galactic fleet could never be made on that.

Not all wealth is material.

>i wonder how they find new technology and resources?

Asteroids are filled with asteroids, scientists say one asteroid could have up to 20 trillion dollars worth of resources alone

asteroid mining is the future bro

>Meme magic
>social trends
You're the one who talked about probabilities which is a field of study itself.
and I say probabilites are against your on this one.

>t. "I've literally never watched Star Trek in my life"

>If anything it's the living in a rank structure that makes it so compelling.

Star Trek doesn't follow civilians.

>20 trillion dollars worth of resources

Meaning those resources won't be worth anything when you bring it back and the prices plummet to nothing.

two can play this game, you know

no

>Asteroids are filled with asteroids

i honestly just realised I made that mistake

am dead

Have you ever played asteroids? The only asteroids that don't have asteroids inside them are the smallest ones.

It's generally stated that replicated food and drink can never taste as good as the real thing.

>can never
just like a hot dog can never be as good as a hamburger.

My aunt has asteroids. Some days just sitting is painful for her.

If you didn't have cooked food to compare it to then you wouldn't know the difference.

Thus, cooking food should be banned.

>use money
>it's not money
>it's Latinum which can't be replicated

Big difference there, bub. In rare instances compounds and elements aren't able to be replicated or produced at will and those - because of supply and demand and scarcity and rarity - end up having a value not tied to any "money" at all but a value of their own, literally.

>this idiot knows nothing about Star Trek and the lore behind it

Do you know who is the most wealthy individual in the world?

That guy is a commie

>The only asteroids that don't have asteroids inside them are the smallest ones.
>he thinks big space rocks have smaller space rocks hiding inside them
>doesn't seem to understand that when you pummel/explode big rocks they break into smaller rocks naturally by design
>it's not some fucking hidden secret of the cosmos, you dumbass

This is why you're going to die alone.

matter of perspective
>"Every block of stone has a statue inside it and it is the task of the sculptor to discover it."
- Michelangelo
(yes, the orange wearing, nunchaku wielding ninja turtle)

well it will improve people life with cheaper product if the mining is not too expensive
weird if they are technology advantages enough to make and shape molecules at will why cant they make good food?

>(yes, the orange wearing, nunchaku wielding ninja turtle)

you mean hook, right?

To be fair, Star Trek takes place 300-400 years in the future (depending what series.) That's actually a long-ass time in terms of technological/social development. Last decade's cutting edge getting cheaper and cheaper etc. It's not supposed to be applied to our world wholesale, but simply a logical path down human development.

They also went through like 3 Nuclear wars to get there, though. That would best be avoided.

>he thinks big space rocks have smaller space rocks hiding inside them
Asteroids are fractal, you donut

replicators are able to produce 'real' alcohol, but there are contradictions in episodes to this.
point of syntheol is that you can return to work not drunk and get no hang-overs.
It is said somewhere that replicated food tastes the same as 'real' food, but appearantly some individuals could taste the difference.
When Sisko was cooking for the staff someone was disgusted by the idea of real food I think.. although I also remember someone simply not liking beets, maybe it was another episode.
Then there's the issue of some foods being alive, like ferengi tube worms and that klingon gagh, so replicated ones are 'dead'.
Could also be that replicated patterns are either simplified or compressed and loses flavour.
I'm sure that in ST universe at least a medical replicator can achieve the same taste as real food.

It's also implies that replicators routinely get the recipes wrong, or even worse, somehow even burn the shit out of food.

not true.
It's not suprising that some systems fail on ships infested by an exotic space organism, are suffering from battle damage, are partly shifted from reality and exist in different time-frames... take your pick.
also DS9 was a mish-mash of spoon-head and human tech, constantly breaking apart.
I bet people on earth never suffered the old coffee cup filled with mud -syndrome.
Also this would cause such serious problems with poisonous substances that nobody would trust replicated food ever if it really happened "routinely".

Janeway was constantly burning replicated food somehow.

PEBCAK
she tried to program new patterns and was all thumbs.

Voyager is an enjoyable show, but it's best if you consider it to be non-canon.

I don't see the connection between your two questions. Its not the fucking 50's I can walk down the street waving a Soviet flag if I want to

>Should it be banned?
SJWs would say, Let's take it over and 180 it! That's why they've been winning and cuckservatives have been losing.

You should be banned.

>The alternate timeline and the war therein hinted at the idea that the utopian future and Starfleet code of ethics usually presented in Star Trek could easily crumble when faced with the opposition of a serious external threat.

>shame that in the real world it's incredibly inefficient on scales larger than 10 or 20 people, susceptible to corruption, and invariably leads to food shortages.

The same is true for capitalism. Enjoy President Shillary kek

So if we make the replicator machine we can achieve world peace and unity? Is that it?

>DS9
>Federation outpost
Pick one. DS9 was a bajoran station administrated by the federation, on the frontier of federation space.

Latinum does have an intrinsic value, its used in starships because they talk about stripping parts for latinum on a few episodes in the franchise. But the ferengi are the ones who really use it as a backing for currency because its one of the few scarce materials in a post scarcity universe. Things like antimatter, biomimetic gel, deuterium can't be replicated either, but you can't exactly carry those around in your pocket without exploding or being considered a war-crime waiting to happen.

Bullshit. Earth didn't discover replicator technology until the 24th century. Long after the federation had been established.

In fiction, every form of utopia can be portayed as great, and functional, even a nazi utopia

In the wedding episode he mentions "fresh squeezed" as opposed to replicated, miles opted for the squeeze.

Works because the writing of the series avoid dealing with problems that can destroy the utopia. See:

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first time ive ever seen a literal reddit tier joke
well done you fuck

If it's your first time then how do you know what "reddit tier" is?

Wait, why are you even bringing up that website in the first place? It's totally unrelated to this conversation. You bring them up in every conversation, don't you?

nationalreview.com/article/438185/star-trek-beyond-cinema-comfort-food

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