Can we talk about Adam Johnson for a second? This is probably the only place on the internet where we can talk this without being virtue signalling fags.
Lets get the facts straight >It's not pedophilia. It's not even hebephilia(attraction to girls aged 11-14). The girl was 15. 15 is legal in much of Europe. A year later and it's legal in most of the western world.
>He's not a "predator". He's a dumb possibly slightly mentally-handicapped chav. He didn't pray on the girl or take advantage of her. She was a fan and and like most teenage girls they want to fuck their idols. He's just not a very bright lad.
>They didn't even fuck. He kissed her and likely fingered her.
>The 15 year old girl could probably not care less that this happened to her. Doesn't sound like a very traumatic experience to me. About as traumatic as a male student fucking his hot teacher.
What did this results in?
6 years of imprisonment. 6 YEARS of hard prison time. Worse is the lifetime of public condemnation and humiliation equal to that of actual pedophiles who fuck 5 year olds.
>It's not pedophilia. It's not even hebephilia(attraction to girls aged 11-14) lol nonce
Hunter Jones
It's unfair. I've discussed this with some friends and they all called me an idiot. >hurr durr there has to be a line!!! Yeah, there is one. But 6 years is too fucking much.
I guess they were just trying to make an example out of him or something, but it's not fair.
The media and social media reaction was fucked. Full of jokes and condemnation. No one had the balls to be a voice of reason. Which is fair enough because it's your social life and career that you are sacrificing to defend some random footballer.
Brayden Rogers
>be professional footballer >be rich >be white >could have pick of litter every night >choose underage slag >can't even get in
Deserves six years in jail tbqh familia.
Grayson Gutierrez
he was a meh player anyway, no end product and always hit it too early
Jose Ramirez
apologize!
Oliver Cruz
underrated
Zachary Long
I'm still his biggest fan, he did NOTHING wrong, but people in the UK really hate men who find hot teens attractive. They say that Adam Johnson is worse than Adolf Hitler
I'm wearing his shirt with pride, I still have his pic as my screensaver on my iphone
15 year olds KNOW what they're doing, consensual sex (or kissing in this fucking case) does not harm them in any way. 15 year olds in Germany can drive scooters through the city, they have to write applications for appranticeships, some months later when they're 16 they can ruin their whole lifes by drinking as much alcohol as they want but a 15 year old (and 11 months) doesn't know what she is doing? FUCK OFF
billions of people should be behind him, his whole life is ruined while that slut is out on the piss with her mates laughing about the whole thing, probably licking each others assholes
Dominic Peterson
The worst thing is that the girl actually played the victim even though she clearly wanted it too. Women are the worst, fuck.
Christopher Scott
he was aware of the law and severity of his crime. i have no sympathy for him, risking his life and career over some light fondling. an absolute moron.
Jordan Powell
I think they're just makin an example of him to rich pedophiles that being said he clearly knew what he was doing was illegal, so yea he's a dumbfuck but he did deserve some sort of punishment
Justin Gutierrez
That's not the problem, the problem is him receiving 6 YEARS while even some murderers get away with less.
It's unjust.
Jonathan Rodriguez
>It's unjust. more like JUST.
Robert Hughes
Get fucked Puritan shitstain.
Mason Taylor
I agree with both of these positions. Yes, I think 15 year olds are mature enough to have consensual sex with an adult, but there's got to be a line as well. Someone could argue the same for 14 year olds turning 15, then just-turned-14 year olds, etc. She's mature enough to make the decision to kiss him, I guess, but he should more than know better enough to reciprocate that. He knew it was wrong and did it anyways, and that's what happens when you break the law sometimes.
Mason Campbell
cont: RAPE has to be punished, yes. but not if it was consensual, not if no one has been harmed
I've discussed this topic with at least 20 people and those who are really close to me and have known me for many years agree with me because they trust me. but other friends from uni or so who I have known for some months just laugh a bit and just say "...I don't know man.. it's the law". It's like they don't have an opinion and are afraid and ashamed to say what they really think. and we all know that 15 year old sluts know exactly what the fuck they're doing.
some of my friends came back to me months later and said that they agree with me and that it's complete bullshit
Juan Flores
Fuck off abo fucker
Nicholas Gomez
Fuck off anus for a flag.
Jordan Hughes
He didn't concretely. His google logs show that he googled the age of consent after the indecent. He's a dumb chav manchild who does nothing but play footy.
Besides that's the issue. The issue is the absolutist interpretation of the law and public outrage culture influencing the sentencing.
Another issue is that women seem to have a biological need to accuse males of rape for attention
Jackson Young
read Yes, he deserved a punishment for sure. But not one that harsh.
Liam Price
>typo correction Besides that's not the issue*
Nicholas Cruz
Let's see how forgiving you are when it's your daughter.
Caleb Ramirez
Rolf and Johnson behind bars.
Elite pedo rings everywhere are shook
Nathaniel Hill
Do you know from experience with your wifes daughter?
Kevin Perez
What is he, like, 30? You can't be doing that kind of stuff. They had to make an example of him because of his position in society. They were especially severe because of his status. I'm sure if it was someone else they'd consider some leniency, but there are situations where they don't and they had to do that here because you can't grant someone leniency because they play soccer.
Lucas Cox
If you read the texts you can see he is pressuring her, a sort of "what will you do for me" situation. That's why the sentence was so harsh. I'll argue as much as anyone that the AoC should probably be lowered but law was applied correctly as was the punishment.
Dylan Nelson
heard this "that's the law" argument at least 10 times from friends. it's also illegal to ride your bike on the wrong sidewalk, do you wanna tell me I should still be fined 30€ even though it's 2pm, everyone could see me and it's completely bright? no, it's bullshit man, because no one got harmed and there wasn't even a risk. breaking the law sometimes doesn't harm anyone.
Nathan Powell
t. Pedo First scat porn now cp yisus christ german calm the fuck down
David Perez
>six years
kek, a few of these fine lads got only five.
John Turner
You can make this argument against almost any law. I understand your position and agree with it to an extent but the electorate has to respect the law of the land. If it really is unjust it has the ability to ratify said laws. Sometimes dumb fucks do ride their bikes the wrong way and could cause someone to get hurt by, say, running into another biker who's going to fast to stop.
Asher Allen
>they had to make an example of him No, they didn't. If Callum Skinner, the local pub dweller did the same thing he would've walked away with a softer punishment. It's not fair to give certain people a hasher punishment.
It's discimination.
Isaiah Scott
and you're still not explaining anything, you're just writing that he's 30, that's it.
WHY can't he do that stuff? both are horny, she wants him (and she knows what she is doing, funny that you think that it's no problem if she kisses and maybe fucks a 16 year old 24/7), he wants her, no one gets harmed if it happens, it's not rape - it's consensual.
why is it not ok? and "the law says so" is not an explanation. or do you really wanna tell me that she'll commit suicide if she fucks a footballer?
Jose Russell
tbqh, everyone who does that stuff gets punished very hard in the UK, judges and the jurisdiction in the UK are completely fucked up
William Clark
>implying he'll serve more than 2 years in prison
Justin Cooper
lol
Cooper Allen
Some people you have to be lenient with and others not. Someone else doing this, sure, you can give him a lighter sentence because he's dumb. This guy really should've known this was not ok, and should have been more stringent than the average Joe because of his status. He should've known this would be more likely to come to light because he plays football and that he had an easier time taking advantage because he plays football and he acted anyway. You're arguing he should be treated just like that average Joe, but he shouldn't because he's not. The courts got it right here, but if you disagree go get some signatures on a petition and send it to who the fuck ever.
I'll just say I'm not opposed to fucking a hot 15 year old, but if I get caught doing it I really wouldn't have a defense because I know it's illegal.
Connor Murphy
>why is it not ok? there needs to be an exact age of consent, you of course agree with this. in britian it happens to be 15.
Adam Thompson
Evidence shows that complete consent wasn't really established. He's at least attempting to coerce her in the texts and given his status and the situation you have reason to believe she didn't give full consent.
Anyway, the issue with age of consent laws is that you are drawing an arbitrary line. I personally believe it should be lower in the UK, but until we accomplish that the law has to be applied as is.
Thomas Allen
It's 16 but your point remains. If these people agree that there should be some form of age of consent laws then they undo their own arguments. It's arbitrary at any age above 13.
Gabriel Wright
>lower than 16 For what purpose
Juan Flores
At a certain age it's not ok for adults to fuck minors. Why isn't it ok for an adult to fuck an 11 year old if it's consensual? Why not a 10 year old? Why not 14? Why not 13? Because before a certain age a person doesn't have the faculties to turn down that kind of proposition. You start being sexual when you begin puberty and that can be as early as 9 for some kids.
At a certain point it becomes one person imposing their will on another which is wrong and that is a tenant of any society that's not backwards i.e. some of these fucked up countries where they don't even have laws like these. England decided you can fuck someone at 16, but not 15. That's what people agreed on. Other countries it's higher and others it's lower. Everyone agrees at a certain age it's not consensual anymore, but not everyone agrees on what age that is because there everyone is different.
Hunter Bennett
Wahhh there's a law that was broken and the law breaker got punished.
Let me check the flag >Australia ahhhhhhh ok
Brandon Barnes
It's lower than 16 across most of the continent and they generally have lower teen pregnancy rates, lower teen std rates.
We accept that 14 and 15 year olds are having sex with each other, but the AoC lows create a stigma that stops them from seeking advice and help with sex which(coupled with poor sex ed) leads to a lack of knowledge of the dangers associated with it and no idea how to practice safe sex. Lowering it removes the stigma and allows us to tackle these issues in a more effective way.
Adrian Foster
>taking advantage a 17/18 year old guy who is 6ft4, goes to the gym and has the body of a fitness model has an advantage, too, and the 15 year old pussy also gets wet. should the 17 year old guy also get 6 years? NO, that's what women and girls like, successful guys, it's BULLSHIT
Jason Parker
i do think that the law should be more dynamic, because each case could be different. one case (18 boy 15 girlfriend in relationship) could be a lot different from another case (30 famous man allegedly using status to groom 15 girl). some states in us and perhaps elsewhere have these romeo and juliet laws that should be used.
Tyler Nelson
Who says he's not dumb either? Just because he's a "famous" football player doesn't mean he's intelligent. The funniest thing is; if this happened in Denmark or France it wouldn't even be a crime.
Easton Hughes
...them logic skills You clear aren't in a STEM field like myself.
Because she has long since finished puberty unlike a FUCKING 10 YEAR OLD. 15 years old is was adulthood girls for most of human evolution and history.
Ryder Rodriguez
No he doesn't. The law is blind to race, height, body fat %, etc. The person who is older has, and is taking, advantage.
Nicholas Hill
>implying an 18 year old cant groom and use a 15 year old I remember so many girls around 15 years old had 18+ boyfriends when I was in school purely because they had a car and some spending money to do shit that boys their age couldn't do
Isaac Hughes
>american saying the law is blind to race lmfao
Jaxson Rodriguez
This. Every slag had a 18+ boyfriend
Zachary Fisher
I didn't say he wasn't but because of his status he has been coached to know better and he also knows that women are easier for him, especially younger ones. If he doesn't well then tough shit he'll probably figure that one out now
>15 years old is was adulthood girls Why don't you think before you type? Nobody is dumb enough to say that that wasn't an age in history where girls were basically adults, but laws adjust to the times, and times are different now. Slaves used to be legal too but no one is making the argument they should still be around because they used to be.
Angel Lopez
>implying an 18 year old cant groom and use a 15 year old where did i imply that?
Dylan Morris
fucking this
the things a 15 year in my country has to decide are decisions that affect their whole future, most of them work over 20 hours a week, some of them drive their scooters through the city and at least 75-80% of the 15 year olds I knew back then and that I know now fuck older guys all the fucking time. fucking hell, I had to decide if I wanted to do my A levels or if an apprenticeship would be better for me, this decision can fuck up you whole life (and it did in my case)
Samuel Evans
It is, numb nuts, it's the prejudice fucks who make it not a la >you
I'm gonna get my day started have fun you pedos
Eli Price
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Jordan Wilson
>18 and 15 in a relationship could be different to 30 and 15
Isaac Sanchez
>claiming im prejudice for no reason Way to jump the gun
Jaxon Russell
You're the last person who's allowed to shittalk him, the age of consent is 14 in Italy.
Grayson Wright
answer my question instead of random greentext.
Eli Bennett
HAHAHAHA that reminds me of recent threads on Sup Forums with screencaps of Indians hitting on women on social media. My god they are on another level of autism.
Christian Walker
Literally quoted your post you cunt
Jeremiah Myers
and it was irrelevant to my question. where did i imply an 18 year old cant groom and use a 15 year old? my two examples were just that, two of many examples of different relationships. >could be different
Levi Bell
>yfw he didn't even get to plow that teenage pussy
JUST
Aaron Thomas
>They had to make an example of him because of his position in society. What the goddamn hell is this logic?
Benjamin Stewart
>he should serve anything.
Isaiah Sanders
So, did she ever have an evalution by a psychologist (or whoever does these things) to determine how much of an adult she already is and how reasonable and rational her decision-making is? Because that is the determining factor - or should be - for punishment.
Isaac Cook
>newcastle got relegated >she got pregnant
rip my serbian friend
Caleb Evans
You don't become a good ball kicker without earning the public's trust first.
Nathan Ortiz
Italian girls have full bush at 7
Joseph Baker
Punishing people harder - or differently -, just because they are public figures goes against the very idea of justice.
Incidentally, that's why the Reus case a while ago was a farce.
Evan Martinez
>Because that is the determining factor for punishment. no, it's her age which is the main determining factor.
Lucas Wright
Her age only sets the rules for within which range the punishment can be. It it nails it down at 6 years, then that's the punishment he had to get - but in that case, that law might need some review.
Caleb White
Agreed. It's just part of the tough on pedo charade in the UK to appease the plebs whilst the kike elite buy, sell and child sex slaves at will.
Hunter White
Who let the cucks from r/soccer in here?
Gabriel Ramirez
>Her age only sets the rules for within which range the punishment can be. >only >Her age is only the determining factor
Christopher Murphy
Stop getting worked up about the word "determining" wehen you know exactly what I mean, Lars.
Matthew Wright
These He did nothing wrong
Christopher Perez
I will always love you and always support you Adam
Owen Thomas
I tend to take words literally. What else could you mean than determining? Her age is obviously the main and in some cases the only determine factor.
Nathan Peterson
Smashed a 15 yr old when 21, she consented, her family even invited me to hers when 16, but I would never do it again, the stick you get for being muhhh pedoo from friends etc is bad, I know 19 and 35 year old women and they are equally as irresponsible as each other, but there is way too much hysteria from the daily mail, and it just makes women into ladettes when 18 because they seek attention... it happens in France and Spain but at a lower level.
Brody Martinez
When I say determining I mean the exact punishment. And the law usually doesn't dictate an exact punishment, it offers some leniency in either direction (minimum/maximum punishment).
Jose Brooks
Plus, you can bang hot 14 year olds
Grayson Nguyen
>people in this thread wanting to have sex with 14-16 year old girls
I assume your only experience of 14 year old girls is observing them from a far. They are absolutely cancerous cunts, quite honestly I think I'd fuck a 60 year old before a 14 year old.
Matthew Young
The Italian has it figured out. Just make sure it's dark and you're good.
Thomas Thomas
>I assume your only experience of...girls is observing them from a far.
Cameron Barnes
lol, have you ever talked to a 18 year old? 15 and 18 - no difference, both are completely retarded
Cooper Foster
Why are you THIS passionate about him? Are you even a Sunderland fan?
Kevin Ross
He's a pedo you idiot
Bentley Mitchell
>I still have his pic as my screensaver on my iphone this made me kek more than anything I've read on Sup Forums in quite some time. Thank you
>probably licking each others assholes also was very good
Christian Peterson
no problem my friend, and I wasn't even lying why should I be a Sunderland fan? I care about someone whose life is ruined because of nothing, that's all.
Adam Barnes
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John Gutierrez
the sentence isn't just about punishing the criminal involved, it's about discouraging others... something which can only occur with a celebrity.
same deal with the To Catch a Predator men being thrown on the ground by about 10 policemen with guns and shit, for flirting with a 19 year old decoy.
it's to stop people from trying that shit. footballers are like teachers. they have positions of power over young people.
Matthew Nguyen
O I agree, even up to about to mid 20's they can be completely retarded. But from 19-21 they are in a sweet spot sexually so you can ignore what comes out of their mouthes.
Thomas Adams
I fucked 2 insanely hot and sexually active 15 year olds when I was about 21. I don't think it's an issue at all. But the law's the law ennit... doesn't matter if it's stupid and doesn't make much sense.
Jayden Sanders
respect man, I'm 21 now and if I don't fuck some teens in the next year I'll kill myself
but it DOES matter, if no one does anything against it, people will get a life sentence in 10 years for kissing teens
David Young
There was absolutely no harm done to the girl. What would there be to be mad about? As a father you will never be happy about the prospect (and reality) of your daughter becoming sexually intimate with a person. Being with a rich football player would probably make you as comfortable with this as you could ever be.