I've always wondered since nobody here ever talks about it. What is your opinion on feminism?

I've always wondered since nobody here ever talks about it. What is your opinion on feminism?

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everyone gets equal rights regardless of sexual orientation. feminism should be this

Wrong.
Feminism is female-supremacy under the guise of "equality".
Rather, they're lying and gaslighting in attempts overthrow men.

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Here's the effects of feminism in a nutshell.

her front looks like her back

>18 minutes of Elliot Rodger bullshit
fuck off with that

First Wave feminism

was a mistake

No doubt. He's saying what feminism should be, not what it is.

Fascism is what it is right now.

It's true tho.

Watch Giving women the right to vote was a mistake.

Feminism is a sub section of communism.
It's designed to destroy the family and therefore ruin the culture.

> Giving women the right to vote was a mistake

Nah it wasn't. Giving them the right to vote while reinforcing their roles as second-class citizens was a mistake.

If everyone had just been equal from the beginning, this shit wouldn't be going on. Now the slaves want to be the masters and they can vote for whoever tells them what they want to hear.

Feminism is cancer

Thank you!

This is fact; take for example the sexual revolution of the 60s. Ever since then, the divorce rate have skyrocketed and still is rising.

Wrong. We don't.
Too much to type, but watch this instead:
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Modern Feminism is Marxism to destroy the family unit and make people hate Western Civilisation.

People aren't equal. A woman isn't a man and a man isn't a woman.
There is no reason for women to have a vote. Women having a vote means politicians can pander to the needs of the individual instead of the family, which is the only societal unit that actuallt furthers civilization.

Agreed. Women make different choices because naturally it's how they are. They merely have a different role in society than men.

This video here addresses the wage gap myth.

> Women make different choices because naturally it's how they are
We don't know that, though. There's too much culture in the way. While there are obvious physical differences, and I'm sure there mental differences, it's seems unreasonable to expect they'll map cleanly to anyone's preconceptions about feminine and masculine roles, either. That's just projecting expectations based on no real evidence.

Feminism as the idea of making society more egalitarian between the sexes is fantastic. Feminism as a means to belittle men for their sex is saddening.

Women are not equal. They're causing enough problems as it is already. See

Im all for equality of both sexes, but modern feminism is more about hating men than wanting equality

Females are inherently different from men. We are not equal because we're made for different purposes. See

I find feminism more than useless in western culture in 2017.
Feminism in the middle east? Yeah probabaly a good idea.
If we talk about original feminism that fought for females being able to vote / work etc. Not about feminism that complains about manspreading or mansplaining.
That said, I'm a woman myself.

>inb4 tits or gtfo
No fuck off mate.

Women vote strongly for socialism, social programs, more taxation, less freedom because they want safety which is no longer provided by a husband.
It's not like feminism actually made women equally peoductivr to men.
Feminism has removed the need for a husband, replacing the husband with welfare.
As it stands women are still dependent on men because men pay far more in taxes. They just don't have to give anything back.

>Too much culture in the way
Man you're fucking crazy if you believe this. The physical and mental differences are so obvious you are deluding yourself by thinking culture changes things drastically.

Almost as many girls play soccer as boys but girls still suck at soccer. Beyond just being weaker they make terrible decisions and just basically suck at every aspect of it. Soccer isn't a big deal but the different aspects of the game like spacial awareness and leadership are useful in real life. As much as people try to change the culture and make women's sports a big thing, women will never be as good as men at these sports.

Now if you are biologically better at different things then it makes sense that you will make different choices about what you do in life. It would be retarded not to. Narrative bullshit can't trump reality.

> less freedom

Actually the socialist states are more free.

Nope. I say women aren't meant to work or have the right to vote. They're going to destroy our civilization.
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>leadership are useful in real life.

How is this

Could be useful for all those CEO positions feminists want women to hold 50/50

You're drawing biological conclusions on the basis of cultural differences. How do you extract the social and find the innate, natural, biological differences? You really can't, since there's no way to remove or escape culture.

Just maybe

So why would women and men in the same culture vote for different things and why does it match well from what we biologically expect from evolutionary psychology?

You quoted "too much culture in the way", and then went on discuss physical differences. So your argument is a complete fail.

> be norway
> get 50% income taxed
> hate speech and blasphemy is oulawed
> have to pay a booth every 30 mins or so when traveling outside of a city
> universities are melting pots where anybody can get in, so what is taught is reduced to the common denominator
> meaning you will not learn anything competitive
> meaning your diploma is worthless
> get taught marxist propaganda instead

You need to read, diverse that informant, and understand. You're just vomiting commie bullshit. You gotta think instead of just reacting.

You tell me some culture that makes this stuff impossible to discern then. I pointed out that despite extreme efforts to change the culture to encourage female sport, women are still terrible VB at it.

You really have no understanding of culture, do you? There isn't one uniform culture that everyone within a culture is exposed to. Culture has different expectations and roles for people of different status, wealth, jobs, and yes, sex. A man and a woman who grew up the same place will be treated differently.

I wanted to reply but he
Rekt you.
Him too.

Feminism is Cancer

And why do you think culture developed to treat men and women differently?

I've always wondered since nobody here ever talks about it. What is your opinion on cartoons of faggot animals sucking each other off? Also, did Hitler do something wrong?

Damn spell check.
I've been in the trenches of this meme war for a good few hours. Someone provide cover fire while I run to the bunker for some rest.

> diverse that informant
Is that something about slicing snitches into many pieces?

Kek

In america the culture is the same with slight regional differences.
Even babies show behaviours typical to their gender.
Everything isn't a social construct.

Yeah shit, it's pretty obvious that biology comes before culture.

Well yeah, women weren't meant to. When humans only objective in life was to survive. Means more muscular humans (which are biologically men) go for hunting. While women get children and take care of the family.

Thing is, we don't have to hunt anymore.
I mean, I honestly don't care if I had a husband who earns the money and i just take care of the household.
But husband works for 8 hours. Household is done in an hour. What am I supposed to do for the other 7 hours?
I'd much rather go and work and support my husband and myself as well.

That also said, I live in a country where I, as a woman, am forced to work. By the government and society.

You seem to have a very deterministic view of evolution, whether biological or social. And that's a fundamentally ascientific view, because evolution isn't this great predictor. Evolution is random, and goes off on weird tangents. Some adaptations are successful, some are hindrances, but most just are.

Yes, there are physical differences between men and women. Some of which may have significant effects on social roles, but others may just be random digressions.

No, they just have a poor understanding of evolution. As do you, clearly.

"Extreme efforts"?

Sorry, Skinneresque social engineering really doesn't work. Culture has its own momentum, and is very hard to change in any significant ways. Throwing millions of dollars to support a sport, Section 8ing things, and so on doesn't really change things in any substantial way.

Are you fucked in the head? Are you saying sexual dimorphism is just random?

Because culture treats everything in different ways. Culture treats asians differently than black people.

> Everything isn't a social construct.
Didn't say it was. Stop reading your own preconceptions into my posts, and read what I said.

Was my point, yes.

Some 100 years of comfort do not trump 200.000+ years of evolution
Men are still better at providing than women.
Your job is to be a home-maker.
Children need a mother in their early life and a father. But they need their mother there for them.
Sending them off to be raised by the statw is not the answer.

> Are you saying sexual dimorphism is just random?
No, but how it manifests is very unpredictable -- there are very similar species with markedly different degrees of sexual dimorphism. And how exactly physical differences relate to culture is really hard to pin down.

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If they are different why wouldn't you treat them differently? Which is my point, men and women are different before you factor in "culture".

Fuck feminism.

Women belong in the kitchen

So what? We are talking about humans. Why do you get so hung up on culture when it comes to humans when you can readily identify differences between males and females in different species?

And what if I couldn't provide my children a decent life or a decent mother?
I'm terrible at handling kids, I'm way better at artistic stuff.
What if I can't get children biologically? (Which by the way, I can't.)
What if, my husband doesn't earn enough money at the beginning of us living together?

Should I not be allowed to even work at a bakery to earn £400 to support us?

It's very clearly outlined for all species. It's not hard to look at any species and see how males and females evolved.

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What user meant to say is that feminism, while being a noble and valiant and courageous movement, there are certain schools of thought that are somewhat unwholesome. Right, user?

The answer to all those what ifs are you will not reproduce successfully and your genes will not be carried forward.That is unless you find some workarounds. Did you think anything else really mattered?

Wrong. This is not what Feminism should be. Feminism should not be. Feminism is itself a madly contradictory concept, no?

I would argue that feminism is the practical application of egalitarian ideals in the form of a movement. This movement clearly states that it seeks to improve the lives of Women.

If you want to practically apply egalitarian ideals to the real world, apply egalitarian ideals to the real world rather than applying egalitarian ideals but only specifically when they benefit females.

You're trivializing numerous fields of study, and showing complete ignorance about the complexities of evolution. We have theories on why males and females are different in many species, and some of those theories are well supported. But a lot of times, it's just speculation and in many cases it's a downright puzzle. As I said before, evolution is unpredictable. It's not steady progression toward a clear goal; that's 19th century Creationism. No, evolution is wild experimentation with unexpected successes, and favors reusing and building on existing characteristics instead of creating something new.

Culture is the same way. We have millennia if not meganna worth of traditions, and like many evolutionary characteristics many of the surviving traditions may just be traditions rather than anything that directly contributes.

Find a man that can provide, don't proliferate the genes of some beta that "if anything he'll be the one in the kitchen". This is what we are both made for, to attract the best possible mate.
You have instincts, you are programmed to be a mother regardless of what you think. The moment that bond forms when you first hold the baby makes all of those doubts go away.
If you want to have children there are workarounds.
Again, this is what the man is there for. He should bring the resources and you should worry about building a strong househols. Anything else is absurd.
What's that 400£ matter if your kid will grow up with strangers. It emotionally damages tge child to have parents absent from his life, only to see them in the morning and at night.

Have the case of myself right now.
I can not get pregnant. My hormones don't work properly.
Doctor already told me there are ways for me to still reproduce.
Thing is, all that is not for free.
My boyfriend gets £600/month of a studend loan.
Do you think he alone would be able to pay for all that alone?

Ok, but why did those traditions form and what has fundamentally changed in human biology that renders those traditions obsolete? I think all that has changed is things have got too comfy and if shtf woman will need to get real fast.

So you're implying that all children that went to kindergarden, are damaged now?
I didn't feel bad for being in a group of other children in my age in the morning while my mum went to work in a bakery.

Like I said, there could be workarounds but they are obviously harder than having genes well suited to survival. I don't give a fuck if your line dies out. Most lines do.

You are splitting hairs. You don't need a Phd in evolutionary biology to understand that meb and women are different and what those differences are.
You can even verify it. Traditional households were men provide and women tend, made of partners that have had a low amount of partners before marriage are the most succesful.

I'm in favor of leftist feminism and have mixed feelings about centrist/democrat feminism. I'm a 30 year old dude and feminism has only made my life better.

What you're saying is like a colorblind man telling me he doesn't miss red.
Society has obviously been affected by this, the nuclear family has been obliterated by feminism, divorce rates are trough the roof, women are less happy than they were half a decade ago, juvenile delinquency has also risen. Dysfunctional families are the norm.

Yeah Yeah, I get that. But those work arounds still require money. That's how life now works. With money. And money only.
And since that's the case, I don't see what's worng with women working.
As different as men and women may be, both want to have a decent life, with or without kids.

>successful
if by successful you mean raise lots of poor children without getting a divorce then yeah, but if you consider anyone's quality of life then fuck no, that's a miserable existence.

>Do you think he alone would be able to pay for all that alone?

I don't know, I guess we'll find out in 100 years if you're someone's ancestor. I wonder if they'll have to do the same hormone treatment? I don't like family's chance long term.

While culture is certainly slave to biology in some ways (if we didn't have language centers, we wouldn't have been able to develop writing, for instance), physical evolution clearly moves at a snail's pace compared to cultural shifts.

And most of those traditions are just noise or chaos, random variance. There's not a purpose behind most of it, and it's equally hard to trace things back to a biological differences.

And it gets even more complicated because humans regardless of physical sex, are incredibly flexible and adaptable.

>nobody here talks about it

Please lurk more.

>the nuclear family has been obliterated by feminism
the nuclear family was obliterated by real wage stagnation and then decrease.

Nice strawman.
Feminism created a divide between the sexes and made them compete with each other, which is to say completely unnatural.
it has efectively doubled the work force, allowing companies to pay less for more.
If women retake their rightful role as home makers the market will adjust.

it was obviously sarcasm, you autist

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post the gamestop one

I don't have a problem with women working. Someone else might be arguing that but not me.

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You're totally right, but that doesn't affect everyone negatively forever.
Sure a kid won't understand why Dad moves out now and why he/she is only gonna see Dad on weekends.
But I'm pretty sure that kid will also eventually understand why that happened.

I will admit, that's what I have seen so far. My parents aren't seperated or anything. Even though i feel like, they only didn't to not harm my brother and me.
But it actually pains me more to see that my parents arw drifiting apart but still force themselves to live with eachother

It's a Kim poster. Congrats on taking the bait.

Feminism for me is best captured by Clementine Ford. A bitter misandrist that functions in her little echo chamber spitting hate and vitriol and cannot be touched. She voiced her opinion against grid girls in the Formula 1, yet most girls voicing their outrage will never watch the fucking thing. FML.

good but most people dont actually know what it is, by definition and theory at least. kids on the internet make up their own rules about it and it becomes apologetic men and women wanting retribution for their ancestors mistreatment.

And the grid girls are getting a good deal that they are quite happy with. Just other women trying to tear them down smh.

Most of you thirteen year olds realize that most advocates of women's rights and gender equality look at 3rd wave Feminists as bastardizing what they worked hundreds of years for by turning it into a cult of "men are evil" cunts right?

That femininesm as it stands right now is a hate group and that's why it's decried, not because women don't deserve rights or opportunities?

>I baited you

Sure ya did champ. Mark another tally on the chalkboard mommy bought ya. ;)

So your argument is that we're a pair-bonding species. Men provide, women stay at home.

There's a fair amount of biological support for the first, but we've also seen an incredibly wide range of different sexual patterns across different cultures. It's a strong tendency, but it's certainly not a law.

The second premise is shakier, and can easily be explained as "Forget it, Jake. It's culture." Because while it's clear there was value in separation of roles among our hunter-gatherer ancestors, the reason why the male/female role split happened is probably because woman nurse children and so they ended up with the stay at home slot (along with secondary issues like men are more expendable because one man can impregnate 100 women but 1 woman can't have children with a 100 men). But our roles have changed, and how much of those roles are really rooted in biology? Clearly men are larger and stronger (particularly upper body strength, which helps with the very unique human ability to throw), and have some secondary related adaptations (like a better spatial sense). But humans are also half-adapted to a lot of things, and with a few exceptions (like pregnancy and strength), there's a lot of overlap between the two sexes. It's hard to take that, and draw conclusions about culture. And imposing rigid gender roles is counter to the basic human nature (we're natural generalists).

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It's not about understanding. It's about the irreversible trauma.
Kids that come from divorced households have an increased risk of criminality, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, personal dysfunction and many other things.
We are only now learning that women and men have been forming decade long relationships for a reason. For the children and future of society.
It's imperative that children have a stable household during their formative years.

But just because a culture is maybe not ideal does not mean we should do bullshit things like quotas to correct for the culture. Change the culture and see what emerges. Most feminists have this made up view that women are just as competent as men at everything once you remove culture so they come up with really stupid ideas to try and shape reality to their fantasy (while actually making things worse).