Ask someone who just got convicted of sex with a minor + child porn in Norway anything

Ask someone who just got convicted of sex with a minor + child porn in Norway anything.

I prefer to stay anonymous, so I will not give too many details about my particular case. Also, I will not say or do anything illegal, since I am very done with this shit and just want to move on. If you don't like that: Fuck off, I don't care.

However, I feel a certain responsibility to let you guys know how the system actually works today. Mostly how bad it is and how far detached it is from reality, because people need to know this stuff so it can be fixed. Thus I will answer questions.

Some tips for good questions to ask would be:

> Do the police ....?

> Does ... work as a defense in court?

> What do they consider child porn? Is Sup Forums safe?

> If you were just convicted, how come you are not in jail right now?

> How did you get caught?

> How did the minor feel about it?

> What is it like being interrogated by the police?

> How does this influence your life?

> What is jail like?

> What kind of time are we talking about here?

> Do they tell your friends and family?

> What are the investigative and court processes like?

> Are witnesses honest? Were you guilty?

etc.

I've set aside 30-60 minutes for this, and I will try to answer as fast as I can. After that, it's sayonara for now. Maybe I'll be back for a round two some other time.

Do you wanna just answer the questions you laid out first? Seems like you have answers for those already

whats a minor in norway?

I do, but I probably don't have time to answer them all in full.

Any of them in particular you were curious about?

>> How did you get caught?
This please. It's for... a friend, you know.

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Were you guilty

do u regret?

i meant other than the punishment,

or how do u feel bout this

Good question. I should clarify this:

A "minor" in Norway is, strictly speaking, someone < 18. When you turn 18 you are given the right to vote, drive, buy beer and such. Anything below 18 is considered a "child" in legal terms.

However I was talking about the age of consent for sex. There are two age limits for that here:

The age of consent for sex is 16. So if a 14 or 15 year old has sex, even cybersex, it's automatically considered "abuse" and punishable as a serious crime.

But there is a seperate law for anyone below 14, which is always considered "rape" under new laws. So if you meet a 13 year old who lies about her age and has cybersex with you on Chatroulette or Omegle, you have in legal terms "raped a child", and will be punished with minimum 3, usually 4 years in jail. It's crazy.

There is also a seperate law against buying sex from someone under 18, or gaining sex by "exploiting a difficult life situation" of a 16 or 17 year old. But I don't know of any cases where those laws have been used.

General answer to your question: 16.

The girl I fucked was 15.

>The girl I fucked was 15.
That's ridiculous. Until a few years the Age of Consent here was 13. A 15yo girl is practically a woman.

This is going to surprise a lot of people:

They DO bust a lot of people for being stupid. If you download CP on eMule on the particular day they decide to snoop on the network, you will get busted. However, it seems they realize everybody does this, and they have no chance to stop it all, so they will put you in their files and probably target you only if you have "access to children" or something like that. They basically have huge dossiers of shit on people, and pick their targets selectively (unless you have bad luck, and they decide to bust everybody one day, to try and scare people).

But the way I got caught? I told someone.

Nothing specific. I just said I had once had a girlfriend who turned 16 while we were together, and that it was consensual. Two assholes went to the police with that information. They had no names or dates or anything. And still no charge of CP. Still it was enough for them to conduct a raid on my house, with armed police.

How was the pussy compared to older women?

How old are you?

Norwegian law student here.
That's like if a teacher or other adult used grades, secrets, etc. to coerce them into sex.

>everyone does this
Uh... no.

Yes, and I confessed everything to the police when they asked me.

They still spent years trying to dig up more shit. Going through my facebook contacts, having interrogations of my friends and past sexual partners, etc..

They tried to add a couple of bullshit charges that were dropped, but only barely. If I hadn't been particularly prepared, considered a nice person, plaid it smart etc., I would have been convicted of "child rape" for chatting with an obvious role player.

Do they tell your friends and family?

So what incriminating evidence did they have against you if it was just two blokes hearsay

How did the minor feel about it?

At which hotel will you serve the jail sentence?

No, she was a girlfriend, and I'm glad to have had her in my life. Also, she's had no trouble from it, as she testified in court.

Perhaps it was a bad idea to stick it in her before she turned 16, but what's done is done. She was already sexually active (more so than me), and would never have told anyone.

Ironically though, most of my punishment was for what I had seen on the internet, not what I had done. The judges started crying when the police showed naked children on the big screen, I kid you not.

kek

Around 30.

I have no problem getting laid. You wouldn't consider me a creepy guy if you met me.

It was awesome actually :D.

But I had to teach her to shave her muff...

Are you much (>5y) older than the girl?

BTW I'm a hooker, and Norwegian men are the fucking nastiest, rudest, meanest bastards there are. I automtically block all Norwegian numbers and refuse appointments.

OP here. Not sure I get what you are saying. Could you clarify?

What if she is using her pussy to coerce the teacher into giving her good grades?

Oh I see you have answered my question, above.

So it doesn't really involve the girl it's because you were looking at cp you dirty bastard!

If you knew what they consider child porn: Yes. Everybody does this.

Cartoons, young looking porn stars, teen selfies in lingerie... Seriously, you could go to jail just for seeing a parody cartoon of the Simpsons. They can bust pretty much whichever internet-capable male they want.

Were you part of those high ranking officials, police and people who got busted around November - December 2016? Those sick fucks had up to 150 TB of content

I highly suggest OP to refrain from answering questions that anyone could simply find out themselves via google

with that in mind what stuff did they have on you that you thought to yourself.. how the Fuck did they know that..

OK. Another question.

Is she the youngest you have had?

Is this movie worth watching?

They are required by law to try to minimize that footprint, and not do that without due cause.

However, they went 10 years back into my personal history... They interrogated former employers, former friends and associates, one night stands... People were involved.

Also, my closest family fucked up and leaked some info to other family, which resulted in half of my family turning on me.

I played it smart though. It could have gone a lot worse if the wrong person found out, or if this became a big media story.

Then again, I'm still not sure how many people know...

If something is happening in a kids life, like family issues, drug use, mental illness, etc. and an adult in a position of power, teacher, doctor, psychologist, probation official, social worker, etc. uses it to coerce the minor into sex, that's when it would come to that.

Kids, as is agreed upon by most laws, can't make that decision.

for example did they find only info on your computer or did they have everything you ever did like phone internet history. Did you use things like TOR? etc..

I know you kinda already said it, but if you want to move on why are you inviting people to converse with you about it. That's not exactly "moving on".

This is bullshit. Prisoners will brag about how tough they are, and try to spite the authorities about it. Also, foreign prisoners might be used to worse.

But jail sucks. You're locked in a little concrete cell for months. And there are real criminals all around you in there, who are seriously scary.

Also, they use isolation in solitary confinement (no windows, tv or anything, just the walls) as a form of punishment for disobedience, or as a part of interrogation. That really is torture.

You are a real criminal, don't convince yourself otherwise.

>> If you were just convicted, how come you are not in jail right now?
>> How did you get caught?
>> How did the minor feel about it?
>> What is it like being interrogated by the police?
>> How does this influence your life?
>> What is jail like?
>> What kind of time are we talking about here?
>> Do they tell your friends and family?
>> What are the investigative and court processes like?
>> Are witnesses honest? Were you guilty?

Not in Norway

Kids these days are not the same kids of yesteryear.

>But the way I got caught? I told someone.
And they got jealous?

When they busted me, they found CP on my drives...

Also, they tricked me into believing they know more than they knew. They like to pretend that they just want you to confess what they already know, so they can let you go. In fact, it's the opposite: I confessed, and they locked me up to investigate. I really didn't think they could get a search warrant just from hearsay, so I was trying to figure out who had reported me. It just made no sense that she would, and as it turns out she hadn't.

Also my lawyer gave me some probably bad advice, and advised me to just confess. By this time I had been locked up in solitary confinement (glattcelle) for 2-3 days already just waiting for a lawyer (which I insisted on), so to tell you the truth I was ready to confess just about anything, true or false.

No. The kid can. What most laws will consider is the kids dont understand what they are doing.

Yeah, but it's still unlikely that they can cognitively acknowledge the consequences of their actions

i would like to know the answer to these 2 as well

ALSO! WTF i never heard of a court system showing CP on a big screen
that makes me question the authenticity of OP's story. They normally don't do that.

Op here. Depends on which norwegian I guess. And I guess it doesn't help that sex work is now considered bad here, thanks to the feminists (then people will disrespect you more).

The girls I date always want more sex from me than I want from them.

Do you think it should be legal? To have sex with minors?

Any negative effects for the girl?

A woman of 15? Haven't you heard? Women mature way faster than men.

No. They arrested me for sex with a minor.

They wouldn't have known about the CP if they hadn't raided my house and arrested me first.

Well, since you had CP, that might have been for the best, if they got a warrant and found it after you lied to them about it, it would be much worse for you.

>Also my lawyer gave me some probably bad advice, and advised me to just confess
Thats because public defense lawyers don't work to get the best possible deal for you, they view themselves as an officer of the court trying to find a solution that will work in the best interest of "justice".

Nope. I was an isolated case.

But they sat on the tips for years before making their move. Looking at the timeline here, it does seem like a political attack: As soon as I started to criticize the child porn police (Kripos) in public forums, they dug up the old tips and started to interrogate people.

The fact that you had it makes you a criminal....
You've slept with a minor and had cp on your computer so forgive and the rest of the world for thinking that you're a pedophile.

Tits or gtfo

>he judges started crying when the police showed naked children on the big screen, I kid you not.

HA HA HA

OP LIES! No court system does this!

otherwise you have a full audience of pedos at everyone cp court case lol

>BTW I'm a hooker, and Norwegian men are the fucking nastiest, rudest, meanest bastards there are.
sounds like it's greentext time!

Another example on how capitalism and private property prevails over communism and state ownership.

Nothing. I gave them pretty much everything. The only questions that remain are why they targeted me, and who spread which rumours.

This case has tought me the following:

The police are UTTERLY clueless about the whole subject matter. They believe in "pedophile networks" and evil strangers with candy with vans around the playground. They just don't understand the demography, at all.

Even the cops who specialize in CP testified in court that pedobear was the logo of a known pedophile network.

The judges are even more clueless. They had never heard of BDSM, they thought nobody would have sex with a friend, and they clearly had absolutely no understanding of file sharing. Facebook and Word is advanced to these people.

However, you should not underestimate the determination and resources of these people:

The cops WILL send your phone to expensive forensic analysis to discover deleted data, and they will intrude on all your known accounts and interrogate ridiculous amounts of people in hopes of digging up more shit so they can get in the newspapers.

Also, judges don't care so much about understanding or proof. They will put you away based on their emotions (and they think pedos/hebes are sick and dangerous).

That's what i was thinking too..

Actually, it could be true, but they might clear the courtroom. They have to see what they are convicting the guy for.

Yeah, it's amazing.

The most realistic depiction I know of of the subject matter.

However, Lolita in the movie is younger than the girl I fucked. The one I fucked could have passed for an adult, easily.

Yup.

I've fucked a couple of 16 year olds that were less experienced, but that's legal, so...

Aha, you are talking about when the "below 18" law is used.

Well, I'd say that's not a clear cut distinction. A lot of "victims" will talk about "problems" to get more echonomic compensation. And a lot of teens have real teen angst etc. regardless.

>As soon as I started to criticize the child porn police (Kripos) in public forums
vgnett?

Because those people are stuck with a lawyer who will try to be fair but admittedly won't be as good as a private one, instead of not having one at all because they can't afford one?

How exactly would not having state lawyers be a better option for people that can't afford their own? At least with a state lawyer you have someone who knows the law a lot better than you and can if nothing else prevent you from fucking up completely like most people who don't know shit about the law probably would

>d seen on the internet, not what I had done. The judges started crying when the police showed naked children on the big scre


liar no court does this. gtfo faggat.

where do u get cp

so what kinds of CP where you caught with. I wana know the dirt.

Did they only present things that you had downloaded or was there stuff you viewed online once too?

Yes, I used Tor. They could not get anywhere with chatlogs from Tor, and I was not busted from using Tor.

Generally speaking, it seems like encryption is a dead end to them.

They might get a tip from the FBI once in a blue moon, when the NSA arranges a Tor sting to get surveillence cooperation from other countries in return. At least that seems to be what happened in the "Dark Room" scandal in Norway last fall.

But in general, it is very easy for them to find people with unencrypted CP, so why bother?

To my knowledge, also after reading detailed police documents on my case, they made no attempt to find encrypted files or decrypt them. Granted, they didn't have to, but I get the impression they couldn't either. It seems like they brush off encryption as not worth trying to break in most situations, at least when they meet someone clearly IT competent, like me.

I never said state lawyers weren't necessary, but it's better to have the option to hire your own than to have a state lawyer forced upon you.

Was it worth it? was it good puss?

How long will it stay on your record?

also forgot to ask how often did go to CP sites before?

I should add:

They want to monitor and check all files and everything everybody does on the internet, but of course they can't. So the vast majority of logs and such they simply will not read.

What they do is search for keywords in something like your facebook messages. Like "virgin" or "illegal". They then try to follow up on whatever people or conversations that turns up.

If I am a "criminal", it's kind of fascinating that nobody felt I had wronged them.

The girl testified in court that the only unpleasant thing about this was having to testify in court. She was forced to divulge the intimate details of her sex life and such, to try and shock the judge. Her own lawyer was an asshole.

Did anything that come up in courts surprise you.. example (i thought i deleted that) or i didnt save that on my pc.?

who saves anything on there pc really?

Also how rauchy was the CP you viewed.. What were you into?

Haha sucks to be you OP

next weekend i will be railing a girl who just turned 15

>mfw it's legal here

who set you up?

how will you exact your revenge on this person?

Yes answer this too

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>implying you get laid

> If you were just convicted, how come you are not in jail right now?

In Norway, there is what's known as a "soningskø" (a queue for doing time). It's quite absurd:

When you get arrested, you will quite possibly be locked up in "glattcelle" for a few days, as a way to make you confess things.

If the police feel you pose a continued threat, or they need you out of the way to investigate further, they will then lock you up in "varetekt" for a few weeks-months. That's basically jail without being convicted of anything yet. Some of the guys I spoke to in "varetekt" were there for half a year, 9 months or more. It's really frustrating, because you are just pulled out of your everyday life with no warning, and often with no way to tell people you won't be showing up for work, you have no way to pay your bills, etc..

Then you wait for months or YEARS for the trial to come up. After the trial and judgement, you wait for the ruling to be final. And even after that, you wait for months until there is a free cell in jail.

> How did the minor feel about it?

We were close friends up until my arrest. Then followed years of "investigation" where I probably wasn't supposed to talk to her, which was really painful actually.

In the last minute, her "bistandsadvokat" convinced her to ask for money. Basically, in Norway, you will be ordered to pay financial restitution even if the judge feels there's just a 50/50 chance of you being guilty, and not enough to convict you. So there's a lot of motivation for the supposed victim to exaggerate or lie about abuse. That's how the "bistandsadvokater" (assisting lawyers) make a living: Creating more conflict.

So yeah, she asked for about 10.000$, and with that came some claims that she wasn't the one taking initiative and whatnot...

Even so, the impression she gave of me in court was very good and favourable for me. The judges even concluded that she, now an adult, had taken no damage from this.

HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU GET NIGGA

the CP you viewed.. What were you into?

Are you politically right wing or left wing?

>The judges even concluded that she, now an adult, had taken no damage from this.

How much time did you get?

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> What is it like being interrogated by the police?

I could write a lot about this...

The norwegian method of interrogation is that the police pretend to be your friend. They will offer you coffee, they will apologize for the intimate questions, etc..

All the while there is a police attourney behind the mirror, just looking for new ways to ruin your life as much as possible, so he/she can get famous for punishing someone a lot.

They will only use women to interrogate you. At least that was very appearent in my case. The men hid behind the one way glass, and I only saw them occasionally. They might be hoping you will do something stupid as a "sex offender", or maybe women instill more trust. I don't know.

Also, they will NOT give you your rights. I had to insist on a lawyer, and thank god I did, because it helped a lot. They didn't want to tell me if I had the right to one, they didn't want to tell me how much it would cost (any lawyer is free if they hold you for over 48 hours), they didn't want me to have fair representation. The pretended to be concerned when I asked for one, saying "oooh... but then you have to go to the hole and stay there for a few days... :(". The things I heard from the other cells in solitary would shock you btw.

They also like to ask the same question again and again in different ways, hoping you will slip up and say something more.

They pretend to know something, and pretend that they want to help you by taking your confession so your punishment won't be as strick. In reality, they ask questions because they don't know, and they will continue to ask you to confess until you say there definitely that there is no more. THEN they will tell you some of what they know ("konfronterende fase"/confronting phase), and if you want to confess something, that's probably a much better time to do it.

Also, they clearly wanted me to "confess" that I was a pedophile... Naive people will probably think that shows love as a motivation, but it's just a way for them to increase the punishment.

Judges think of pedophiles and hebephiles as pathological criminals. You can get locked up for an unspecified amount of time (potentially life) if you say you are one. Thank god I didn't fuck this one up.

About a year.

Mind you, that is with heaps of knowledge and intelligence, the best of credentials (including from the supposed victims), top notch lawyers, police fuckups etc.. If I was just a regular bloke having consensual sex and saying stupid things, the police might have succeeded in blowing the case out of proportion, and I might have gotten years.

Op here. This is a lot to type. Is anyone reading this, or should I abandon thread?

Just answer

are you gonna an hero??

I have a question. Do you know what life will be like for you when you get out? Are the consequences for employment/social ostracism worse than the year you will spend in jail?

Did anything that come up in courts surprise you.. example (i thought i deleted that) or i did'nt save that on my pc?

who saves anything on there pc really?

Also how raunchy was the CP you viewed.. What were you into?

> How does this influence your life?

It seriously sucks. I lost my girlfriend, lost custody of my children (even though they were in no way involved, and this happened before they were born), lost my job, lost contact with anyone who would be called to testify...

I can't work as a teacher or trainer anymore. And I havent' been able to take a job in the years waiting for the trial (not a good idea to go "on vacation" right after you get a new job, and I was always led to believe the trial was just around the corner).

My family was split in half over this, and basically torn apart. It's pretty ugly.

And I have to keep a low key talking about it, because I could seriously get murdered in jail if I'm known for talking about this (it happened to a sex offender just a few months ago).

Also, even worse, I lost TEN YEARS of personal data, work, etc.. All my memories and achievements. The police could hand it back, but it seems they won't bother, and they aren't required to. The laws are hopelessly outdated when it comes to this.

Also the strain of preparing for a trial, and the mental pressure of this ordeal, is enourmous. You're trying to prepare for anything, for the impossible, and have no clue what to expect or when. Just that it's going to suck. You think about it every day, and it really drains your spirit, waiting, and trying to prepare.

And this is just before the actual doing time. It feels like I've been in jail for years already, and some of the damage to my life is permanent. Very counter productive for the "justice" system I'd say.