What the fuck is wrong with employers god fucking dammit...

What the fuck is wrong with employers god fucking dammit, if you are not going to fucking hire me JUST FUCKING SAY IT YOU PIECE OF SHIT "I AM SORRY user YOU SUCK BALLS WE WILL NOT HIRE YOU" DON'T MAKE ME WAIT A FUCKING WEEK AND HAVE ME BEGGING FOR A SIMPLE FUCKING ANSWER. I fucking hate my unorganized, corrupt, hypocritic country fuck this shit.

Germany ? xD

So you're aware that you suck balls, have aggressive tendencies and wonder why employers, who are not obligated to do anything for you, are not telling you to your face that they are not hiring you?

Country? Welcome to the 21st century bro, be thankful they didnt say 'yes but we will only give you 20 hours a week and then someone else 20 hours a week, i.e. split 1 persons job between 2 people and your still expected to live and pay all your taxes'.

But that's literally what the EU is doing across Europe.

I am angry because they think that only they are busy or that only their time is precious like I don't hate shitty obligations or a family that needs food and a roof above their heads.. I hate being taken for granted fuck those guys.

Greece. I will propably work as waiter I guess but the hours suck. 4 hours in the morning and 4 hours at night with a 4 hour "break" inbetween. Fuck this shit.

But you literally have no position to complain from. The employer offers access to wealth. You can offer your services, but there's no obligation on their side to even hear you out or invite you. If you had a skill set which the business needed, and they approached you, you would have the power in that relationship. But right now, you have no leverage. Increase your value or move on.

What's stopping you from applying to 20 jobs in a row and pick the ones that do want you and offer the best conditions? Why not start your own business?

>I hate being taken for granted fuck those guys.

Except you are disposable to a company. They could honestly care less about you or what you have going on... You would need to actually have value in order to be taken for granted

>What's stopping you from applying to 20 jobs in a row and pick the ones that do want you and offer the best conditions? Why not start your own business?

He lives in Greece. His job prospects are basically be a waiter/diswasher, be a fisherman, or beg for change on the street.

Starting a business in Greece is about as practical as starting a business in the Congo

Well yeah, because it's a socialist country where people stop working at age 52 and 60% of the population worked for the state. I'm just trying to get some economics into the minds of everyone.

In my country we have a "job coach" who will go with you to jobs that he found out and been contacted about ( its for autistics)
found a desk job that is mostly been done by females but he was sure that they wouldnt mind me for 99% !
convo went very very good as i am still very charming ( no m`lady or meming by the way)

i knew the bosses mom who works there, Had cancer, and wished her well ( since i was going to assist her)

the boss emails me ( not call) to tell me that her mom is having something with her cancer, so i can not be hired

2 days later ( convo was monday, email wednesday, so friday now) my jobcoach tells me that they hired his female client....

other time he had the perfect administration job for me aswell, convo went good, ofcourse 3 days later i get emailed, saying that they went bankrupt ( fuckup 2)

fuckup 3 happend when he whined and bawwed about me not biking to my job, And that his contract was gonna run out soon, and he could fuck me up by not renewing it and force ( by judge) me to work there, or else i would lose my benefits completely


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fucking cunt did this via text...... reported his ass and he got fired, he is working for a different com now with same number, I might 3 times fuck him up aswell

sorry for bad english, im on medication and english is my second language.

Did I demand to get hired? NO. All I want is a clear response.
When they give me a "workplacetour" and say that "you will be fine here with us" what should I think? "Great they want me here, nice , sweet, excellent, great, amazing." But no, not only they gave faulse hopes and promises, when I called them to arrange the final hiring papers they said " call us tomorrow we are busy today" and so on for a whole fucking week.

>what is stopping you from applying to 20 jobs?

That there are no jobs.

Are you Dutch? I know many similar stories from Dutch people, where 45% of the population now lives in poverty thanks to the wonders of socialism and open borders.

Yes i am dutch, sorry for being a disgrace atm with text and stuff, ironicly this is my favorite social outlet right now

happend at van der velden ( for name and shame) in the village of Boxtel Northern Brabant, We live in poverty, Dont forget that some people might earn 1200 in benefits, but still rent is 600 + 125 manditory monthly medical bill ( all dutch citizens have to pay healthcare pass, in order to have acces to healthcare srs)

i myself only have about 300 EU left at the end of the month, i am glad i can make some good recipes ( grilled cheese with lil sausages) and other food, Turkish bread ( big round ones) are only 80 cents here and it feeds me for 3 days with the right spreads on it

might went on a lil vent but still.. Haha.

So you're saying there is a lot of competition for the jobs? Honestly, you should just learn a trade and start producing yourself. Plenty of opportunity now that people have no money for name brand stuff.

end of the month = after bills and tax.

Americucks in this thread are blaming socialism for greece's condition but are to scared to blame their precious capitalism when they pay 40.000$ for a hip replacement are a finishing college with 120.000$ dept.

You should go to Sup Forums, there's Dutch politics threads there all the time and plenty of explanation about what is going on and how to circumvent all this.

I'm self employed right now, working on a big application and honestly I'd be happy to have 300 euro at the end of the month. This is the problem with socialism, if you make any kind money you get robbed by the government.

A lot of competition for pennys. Maybe Sup Forums is right. Wagecucks like me should kill ourselfs.

No, you should avoid taxes and actually produce things that can't be traced easily. People still need software, furniture, food etc.

>I'm self employed right now, working on a big application and honestly I'd be happy to have 300 euro at the end of the month. This is the problem with socialism, if you make any kind money you get robbed by the government.
Tell that to adherents of Western Liberalism.

Capitalism is voluntary exchange. You're free not to replace your failing hip of course. I don't see why someone else should be forced to pay under threat of force to pay for your new hip.

The colleges are massively overcharging for education because the government has said loans can't be defaulted on and are covered by the government. Education is a billion dollar industry as a result, with shitty return on investment.

LMAO, sorry bruv. this is why we're leaving you cunts behind. I suggest you do it too.

Let's just call them what they are, Communists. Communism killed in excess of 250 million people already, I don't see the need to continue this experiment.

Capitalism is the American national religion. And nobody is more religious than Americans.

>blaming things
Naw, nigga, I'm blaming peoples stupidity and dumbdumb Americans who don't shop around to get the surgery done for leas. Place might even have gov subsidies of the operation on THAT countries tax-paying dime, because socialism ... cuz that's how capitalism works, you find the cheapest, safest, means of getting what you want and fuck over the other guy. Nothing wrong with that other than it may sound dickish, and who cares if you offend someone else so long as ya didn't break a law.

>libruls r communists

Your lack of education is showing.

Ah yes, I need more liberal (((education))) so you don't need to make arguments. Communism killed over 250 million people, this is fact. Liberals want socialism. Socialism inevitably fails, which leads to doubling down on socialism, which leads to communism which is absolute government control of everything.

Socialism is the means to get communism installed. Everyone already knows it, we've seen this happen multiple times throughout history now. Therefore, there's functionally NO DIFFERENCE between a communist and a socialist. Socialism is the economic system, communism is the political system that must inevitably follow in order to keep socialism running.

I frequent there too man!
But benefits = benefits, I am eating, the rest of the money that i would get more from is a job, but we will see how it goes.

Imagine having to serve food to people who enjoy your country's riches while you work like a dog and while listening from them that you owe them money. Welcome to greece enjoy your stay.

Dude, what does Communists have to do with what that guy said? He was bitching about socialism and the other guy came back with, "but the west thinks it's a good idea". Explain thyself, stranger.

To clarify, I mean one group within the west.

Nope, lack of education still showing. Your responses reveal you to be a brainwashed reactionary allahu akbar. Try not to bomb an abortion clinic on your way out.

So, do you think socialism is bad then?

I'm going with, one isn't activity going on a holy war, b/c they already did that, while the other is. Explain how they're not different. Like, other than how both pics look like either could be militant ... tho the girl on the left doesn't look as well equipped

1. Trigger discipline
2. the girl on the left is just trying to piss people off, the girl on the right is either A.) fighting real life oppression not the kind made up in liberal fantasy land, or B.) is following the word in her book to kill those deemed infidels.

Just clarifying the terms and who we're talking about. There's no such thing as Western Liberals or neo-liberals or liberals in general. They are communists. Most of them think stealing is a-ok. Need something? Just take it by force. That's socialism. Now, a sane government would look at robbery and see that this is no way to run a civilization, BUT women and dumb people in general only look at the outcomes of things so they'll vote for whoever promises them the most wealth stolen from others. This then creates a competition for who offers the most things to these people, which means the state needs to grab more power/control over decision making. This in turn leads to a totalitarian state where the people no longer belong to themselves and are now property of the state. This is communism.

Productive people flee, now you only have the unproductive left and guess what, they don't produce anything so the government can no longer give them the means of production.

Case in point, there are bakers in Venezuela right now being arrested for baking goods other than bread, while they are private businesses. This is a direct result of the government nationalizing the farms that used to produce the grain. What incentive does a farmer have to produce grain when the means of production, his grain and his money, are property of the state? He'll produce exactly enough not to get shot or just quit being a farmer altogether. Same with doctors and socialized healthcare.

It is pure undiluted evil.

Not an argument. As for your picture, America's guns were meant for self defense against a government that oversteps its bounds, while Islam uses guns to install such governments.

Or C. acting ... but I doubt it.
Could be doing lots of things, most of which aren't likely.

>the girl on the left is just trying to piss people off
>hahaha
>it was just a prank BRO

Do americans pay taxes? What is their goverment giving them in return? Big mac's and guns?

>America's guns were meant for self defense against a government that oversteps its bounds, while Islam uses guns to install such governments
>ITS OK
>WE'RE THE GOOD GUYS
>HERP DE DERP

Cool, tbh tho I felt like you had already answered that for me in a follow up post that I hadn't read yet. We're on the same page, generally speaking.

>I'm just trying to get some economics into the minds of everyone.
>tells a man to start a business when he obviously has no money to start one

I love how you're pretending this is the reason.
When it happened to everyone who applied except one..

His point is an actual rejection wouldn't be that hard, you know confirmation so user can do something productive instead like look for work elsewhere. Instead of showing further interest with a follow up and wasting everyone's fucking time.

Nice logic faggot.

Hi Mr. Economist

So you think...that people stopping working at 52 is keeping the OP from getting a job?

I think the massive taxes on hiring people in the free market to pay for those pensions and that massive government, will in fact deter potential employers from hiring a lot of people which decreases the size of the job market, yes.

Well it has to be something besides capitalism being an inherently flawed system. Jesus invented capitalism to reward virtuous white people's hard work. That's why throat-slitting greed is human nature.

No he's saying he massive recession and a lack of modern state positions to be had..

Use context and read between the lines, stop trying to be a smart ass, you aren't clever enough

What is "the reason" I am pretending to position myself behind?

All I'm saying is that the employers have no obligation to humor you in any way. I'm not saying that's a smart thing to do as it creates negative feedback in the populace to treat workers or potential workers like shit. I'm just saying they don't owe you anything and you don't owe them anything.

Dif user and you've got a point but why doesn't the guy change tactics? Obviously he's annoyes with the way he's trying to get a job, and there are "other ways" of getting a job ... like just putting in bulk applications all over the place and hoping someone will call you. Then you've wasted no additional time pursuing jobs that you won't get. Don't know what the other guy was getting at.

Why does paying taxes for healthcare and education seems so difficult to you you faggots? Do you like watching corporations get richer by exploiting your pain and sickness? If you want to be dominated by old faggots just dress like some jap school sluts and let them spank you, you fucking idiots.

You don't need money to start a business, just skills. You can get second hand tools almost anywhere where there is a recycling center. Then you just need the skills and and some waste material to start making things.

Or, since there's already access to electronics, learn how to program or download books to learn actual skills. Plenty of ways to improve your value as a potential employee, it's just downright lazy and entitled to say everyone deserves a job because they exist. Work with what you have, stop thinking about what isn't possible.

I understand the point, but yes you pretending that the employers aren't rejecting him to his face has something to do with his "aggressive tendencies"

It's bullshit.

They didn't hire him because he wasn't good enough.
They do t want to make a system that's accomodating or actually works because it supports so many middle management wankers.

Seriously given that 90 percent of resumes are read and rejected or accepted by a computer, a forwarded rejection notification wouldn't be hard.

If it's so effective why are all the wankers still there doing nothing now the systems are automated?

>you don't need money to start a business

AHMMM ARE YOU RETARDO FAGGOTO?

Isn't this the "relaxed" kind of schedule all you euro faggots brag about all the time? Why is it any surprise you're fucking poor when you have a 4 hour "nap break" in the afternoon?

kek, fucking idiots i swear

I understand your point. But how much are the second hand tools?

How much is it to start a service or business properly licenced?
Where is your premises?
are you paying tax for your service or product?

Fuck off noob

HOLY SHIT
>Jesus invented capitalism
I NEES TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN!
Or just continue using a system that forces you to compete, unfortunately with our current system it has become very self-serving and self-protecting. I like to think the US gov is in bed with the corporations but I don't really have hard proof of that, sure as fuck see it tho.

No it's called split shifts.
The whole world does it for shit jobs like hospitality except places that pay with tips.

>4 hour nap break
I dare you to try it. Come and try. Pls.

The 4 hour break is typical of restaurant jobs. People come at 12 and 6 you dont need a bunch of servers in between.

Competition is what drives innovation and progress, not some intrinsic need to give everybody a hug or for everyone to be a 'winner', you fucking fairy.

Well, all I have to go on is the original post where OP demonstrated said behavior. The sucking part was a quip aimed at employers repeatedly not hiring him, which means he must be doing worse than the people who do get hired. When this happens consistently, it's time to start wondering about how you can improve yourself to get that job.

He has every right to get angry when employers aren't clear with him, since it denies him the opportunity to learn what was wrong with him in relation to the job he was applying to.

I mean, if I apply to the job of heart surgeon, I'm going to get rejected because I have no experience or training as a heart surgeon. That much is obvious. The employer could have chosen to not be a massive cock and give the man some criticism and clarity, but again no obligation anywhere to do that. All I'm trying to say in the end is stop blaming external factors for all your problems and try to improve what you can improve.

>I am angry because they think that only they are busy

They don't think you're not busy. They don't know and don't care whether you're busy or not. And don't expect to be informed if it's a shit job - not being informed is part of it being a shit job.

lmao progress to where? for what purpose?

Well, I started off by helping people with computer problems while learning how to program and design software. I now run a small business that designs and makes android applications aimed at automating parts of paper business processes.

I didn't need anything to make money other than my knowledge of computers to make money, since the customers owned the hardware.

This is all I'm trying to say, stop trying to look at what you can't do and focus on what you CAN do.

Hi pot, this is kettle. user has a point, tho it relys on some luck. Most business ventures so required start-up cash but there are some where all you have to do is get the idea out and if its picked up, you get the cash. The chances of someone starting a business with no money is slim next to none but it's possible. You just gotta have something that people are gonna want.

The economy exists to support society, not the other way around

On top of that, there are some business ventures that don't require much start-up funding. Lawn service comes to mind, granted you'll need a truck, some equipment, gas, and insurance but it's not that much.

>Innovation and progress
Do you by any chance mean getting fucking richer by exploiting cheap labor?

/pol it is that way ---------->

It's a nice safe space where you don't have to worry about the mean ol liberals being mean to you.

/pol is that way snowflake ------------>

OMG, a rational discussion w/minimum name calling/logical fallacies.
who knew?

You sure it isn't a give and take relationship? Society exists to support economics and economics exist to suppoet society. One allows the other to create an abstract value system that most everyone within the society agrees upon and that society needs to carefully control its economic system because of it's fragility.

Exactly, whenever I say business I get the idea that people think I mean multi-billion dollar corporation. Hell, you could make a business out of sweeping driveways or plucking out weeds with your bare hands. It's not fun, but it's a way to generate income and when the alternative is starvation, pickings are slim.

What is society? What is economics? Are these people that have obligations?

>Applying to one place and waiting to see if they respond before applying to any other places

People don't actually do this, do they? Just fuckin apply everywhere you want. If you never get called, so what. If you do, then take an offer if you like. It's not rocket science.

Actually, they didn't go to America until after America set up military bases in their countries. General Washington told you to avoid foreign entanglements. Don't come crying to me like a little bitch because you didn't listen.

Ah yes, lightly brushing off the death of 250 million people always makes you look like a real winner. Good argument komrad! I'm sure implementing the exact same system in the Western world won't have negative consequences this time around.

Look at how well Canadian healthcare functions these days.

Shut the fuck up.
If you have an idea without legal copyright, trademark or a patent on it then how does one raise capital?


I'm assuming you mean "selling an idea"

Fuck off and start a business then come back and apologise for being this gullible

The product the book you read that in was the published book you read it in not the ideas..
Shut up you retarded cunt.

You sound like an entitled faggot and I wouldn't hire you in 1 million years. You aren't entitled to shit from anyone. Nobody owes you a damn thing.

You probably didn't get hired because you're a fucking faggot.

>Just clarifying the terms and who we're talking about. There's no such thing as Western Liberals or neo-liberals or liberals in general. They are communists.

When you stare into the void, the void stares back.

If it's allowed to, yes. That's kinda why a country needs borders. Just because the system is showing its negative side doesn't mean it's not one of the most, if not most, efficient economic structures.

And why does America set up bases in these oil-rich countries? Because Leftists said you can't drill for oil in your own continent because muh environment. That's why islamic dictators have access to billions. Before that, they were mostly just harmless sand people.

So where did you learn computer skills numbnuts.
That was paid for, obviously by someone else in your case. Admit it, you're wrong. It's not free.
Minimising expenditure isn't the same thing as getting it for free

If communists read, they wouldn't be communists.

My parents kept me alive by working for their money and I had access to the internet. The internet can teach you almost anything these days.

But okay, let's refine it then. You don't need large amounts of money to start a business, just enough to feed/clothe yourself and access the internet.

Yeah, it's weird. Like, most people just default to what they know of when they hear business. Good points on jobs that take no start-up funds, except the sweeping one.

Lololol way to try and deflect the point.

No but you focus your time on selecting somewhere that's not a shithole and research companies..

If I'm sucking one companies dick my mouths full for that application. If it's a waste of time I'd rather suck the dick of someone who would hire me.

Instead of doing a call back for 5 people and getting rejected after prompt by four.

To just get rejected by four and land the fifth.


Are you trying to be difficult or are you really this slow?

That's all I wanted user thank you.
:) clarity and honesty are important to good conversation.

>Look at how well Canadian healthcare functions these days.

Boo Hoo why do you evil corrput liberals hate us so? You have your nice little /pol safe space with the rest of the snowflakes, you can go stamp your feet with them when someone dares to express an opinion you don't personally agree with.

Faggot.

You know you mean socialism right?

Hey, as long as people are willing to pay consistently you can make it a business :) If you live in the desert, I can imagine people need sweeping services.

Stupidest shit I ever heard here is oil wells by state

The drama is about some oil wellers not being able to drill in a couple of small areas

What opinion? You're just crying and telling me to leave like a woman. Men don't talk like this.

Look bud just admit it was the socialized education that got you there and be done with it

Oil in fungible, faggot. You really don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

It's good to define terms, it was a pleasure talking with you.

You don't actually know anything about communist then, because they spent too much time reading Marx.

You really are a fucking idiot who just makes it up as he goes along.

>Implying the girl on the right isn't a CIA actress