If taxpayers pay for the stadium to be built, shouldn't they get free tickets to games? The entire city should be part owners.
What kind of stupidity is that? In what other business do you make the entire city pay for your expenses and then still make money off of it? What's the logic behind this?
>Mfw
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There is no logic. Officials are payed to convince the voters that somehow a miracle will occur and the stadium will bring money into the city.
>mfw it wasn't a genocide
Are people that gullible?
shut up you hairy jew
>are people that gullible
Trump got elected by memes yes people are that gullible
Because they either directly pay the money back or offset it with tax revenue and other income that comes from the stadium being there.
I wouldn't expect a stupid fucking Slav to understand a concept like this so, don't worry.
and people wonder why productive members of society refuse to give up more than half of all their productivity to a government that's going to toss it to their first crony that comes among
t. Shnork Dajanik
t. Geza Bajor
t. Gustavo Canales
t. Derek Thornton
t. Victor Lee
the Spanos family who owns the Chargers have been trying this shit in San Diego for about 15 years now, but the people in San Diego are over it. The Chargers have been threatening to leave if they don't get taxpayer money but there's no more public money for sports billionaires
So they can get the fuck out now. Go to Las Vegas nobody really cares
Get this: the City of San Diego had an agreement with the Chargers wherein if the games didn't sell-out, San Diego would buy tickets to the games USING TAX PAYERS' DOLLARS.
Guess who got to go to the games for free?
People who worked for the city.
I PAID FOR CITY EMPLOYEES TO GO WATCH THE SAN DIEGO CHARGERS.
I was forced into paying for this while our roads are in complete shambles, our plumbing hasn't been extensively worked on since the 1950's, and our public school system is in complete disarray.
FUCK SPANOS AND FUCK THE CHARGERS
yeah, but dat would be le ebul gummunism
I remember this shit. The city would buy the unsold tickets just so that the games could be a sell out to meet the NFL's requirements to show the Home games on local San Diego tv markets
but then when the city wouldn't buy the tickets, the local Indian casino Sycuan would swoop in and buy them, so that they could be the hero. And then Sycuan would give the tickets to veterans, or homeless kids, or Mothers Against Drunk Driving, but only as long as Sycuan got some publicity for it. It was like an agreement between the Spanos family, the NFL and Sycuan. This used to happen for every home game in San Diego. It was all so stupid
The taxpayers of San Diego finally saw through it. and so now you can GTFO Chargers
Are you a fucking retard? You pay state income tax yet still have to pay tolls, right? Sports teams are a revenue stream (usually) for a city which benefits from its presence and outweighs, usually, per capita, its initial cost. Boosts to local businesses, general bussling around a city, et cetera all contribute to a more prosperous city. Yeah, I pay taxes for the local zoo yet still have to buy a ticket to get in, no? They might purchase a twenty thousand dollar giraffe with twenty of my tax dollars but that doesn't give me 1/1000th ownership of it. Use your fucking brain. You need to spend money to make money and a city whose books are in the black is one whose citizens are happy. Go live in Detoilet if you're tired of taxes.
>You pay state income tax yet still have to pay tolls, right?
This is a terrible example. Toll money goes towards roads.
>Use your fucking brain.
I did so I researched the subject and many experts say they are a terrible investment.
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>raise the status and QoL
>don't bring money into the city
spoiled town. most places don't have the luxury of throwing something like the chargers in the trash. some would hardly exist in peoples' minds without their teams.
now you will just have all those problems (that won't be fixed) and no chargers (and that would have been almost completely free to anyone not using a hotel)
a truly brilliant (ly spiteful) community. congratulations.
But wait Detroit has a stadium and team
how much does it cost to buy a hippo?
If you've been to an accredited university and taken a class on basic economics, especially related to sports, you'll see that more often than not the equilbrium between W/L record and attendance stay true. Win too much, nobody shows up because they know the outcome, same with losing. There is so much parity in the NFL (read:the fucking TB Buccaneers won the Owl not too long ago) that stadiums remain filled with exception to the Lelphins because Miami doesn't have any real sports fans because there are sixteen games and anything can happen. Basketball, less so because there are five people on the floor at a time and one man can dominate over and over, but then we spring back with the MLB and its relative parity as well. It may look like a terrible investment at first due to fixed costs and startup but it puts a city on the map and more often than not is better spent than on some finger painting initiative in the projects.
A simple google search yielded around 100K but that's not including hippo upkeeep.
>It may look like a terrible investment
You haven't convinced me that it is not. Saying it will put the city on the map means little without hard numbers to show that it was a large net benefit for taxpayers. There are plenty of better things for cities to spend their money on like fixing the impending pension crisis that will soon rock many cities.
lelphins have had 96.6% attendance this (not that they arent still a shit franchise)
you blindly believe in politicians who have an obvious private interest in making big sports venues.
>Appeal to authority
>Ignore the articles given
>lel fingerpainting
As much as I would love to have a local NFL game to watch every weekend, I'm not going to lie to myself and say that the money wouldn't be better spent on infrastructure.
If it's such a "great business opportunity", then why has Dean Spanos been begging the public for money for over a decade now. The Spanos family should be getting all up in that business opportunity, right?
Or maybe somebody else, like a hedge fund group could buy the Chargers, and take on this "obvious minimal risk", and make all this "obvious money" to be had in SD
But thenof course, why would you ever do that when you can just get the public to buy you a stadium. Just threaten to leave, and then watch the mass idiots fall inline to give you hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars
It's hilarious that the Spanos family cant make it work in San Diego. They have no karma left in SD with the people. goodbye Chargers. nobody will miss you
While not trying to put the burden of proof on you, there is a reason that the multi-billion dollar football industry exists. Yes, I'll concede that the *revenue* generated by these private sports franchises (with exceptions to the Packers which is publicly owned) should be reinvested into the city. But to call for free tickets due to tax payer dollars funding their venue, not their equipment, upkeep, player salaries, and all the related expenses is a ludicrous proposition. As much as I hate Art Modell, he sunk a shit ton of his own money into the Clowns before they up and left for greener pastures in Baltimore. It's not like I look at my W-2 and see money taken out for the Browns. An overhaul is needed but to suggest something as drastic and black-and-white as free tickets is asinine.
I'm sorry for the delays guys, phoneposting here. MacBook is dead.
Why would he not ask for money if he can? If I was a CEO I'd ask for a company jet instead of buying one.
are pensions covered at the municipal level in america?
If you own a very very small part of a supermarket, you wouldn't get to shop for free