Hey Sup Forums. I'm trying to buy a DSLR without screwing up. Help

Hey Sup Forums. I'm trying to buy a DSLR without screwing up. Help.
I'm a university student in Asia. I don't have much money saved; I'm doing several part-time jobs but I'm not making much money overall because of that much spendings. I'm intending to use more or less $1000 for the body, bundle or basic lens, mcuv, sd card etc.

Purpose:
I'm a film enthusiast. I'm not majoring in any of the related arts but I enjoy watching movies and have made several shorts with a friend of mine with a very extremely crappy video camera. I was never really interested in photography though (which seems kind of weird thinking now) so I never thought of getting a decent camera. And I always thought that I enjoy film just as a pastime and I didn't really feel like investing a lot of money into it (until now), not to mention the fact that my parents' income is not very high. But several months ago, I suddenly decided that I wanted to shoot some decent photos and films and thought that DSLRs would be a nice place to start leaning about them. I know DSLRs are not really made for filming, but I really want to learn photography as well so I don't think buying a camcorder or a video camera is going to work. And I don't want to buy a mirrorless either; I want to try out on optical viewfinder, just like old SLRs.
So long story short: I want to buy a DSLR, costing roughly around $1000 or less, to use it as an introduction to photography and film. But it has to be of decent quality, not TOO elementary.
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Owning hardware does not make you a photographer. Rent equipment and see what works for you. I have a fairly new Sony camcorder and it takes excellent still photos will full manual control btw.

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I WANT to buy a full frame body, but I know I won't be able to with that low budget, so I'm looking for a decent crop body.

Situation:
At first I thought of buying Canon's 100D, simply because it was one of the cheaper models. But then I found out that the features are a bit outdated. I then decided to buy 750D (2015 model). I went to the Canon store, and there I saw that Canon released a new model just this year: 800D. After touching here and there and comparing those two, I felt that 800D had a better grip and felt more professional and appealing. Also, considering the fact that I would also like to make some short films with this, FullHD 60fps and 45 cross-type AF points of 800D seemed to be very strong pros. By the time I exited the shop, my mind was only on 800D.
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Problem:
1. It slightly exceeds the budget. It's a little over $1100.
2. The new bundle lens that comes with 800D seems to have worse features than that of 750D? (Correct me if I'm wrong, which may be likely due to my shallow camera knowledge of several weeks.) The older bundle lens that used to come with 750D was Canon EF-S 18–55mm lens f/3.5–5.6 IS STM. The new one has been changed to f/4. Is the 0.5 value change of brightness detrimental? The staff there tells me that the new one is about a centimeter shorted, increasing its transportability or something like that, but the specs show that it's actually a bit heavier, albeit shorter. I looked over the internet but couldn't find any good reviews covering the differences between the two lenses. Do you think I should just buy the body and buy the older bundle lens instead?
3. I'm still not sure if 800D is the best choice. Taking into account all the information above, what would you recommend?

I'm not trying to be a photographer. I just want to try out SLR style cameras to learn THAT sort of photography. It's not just about the results; I want to have the kind of feeling of manually adjusting the settings to capture the right moment. While with camcorders I might have a better chance of making smoother films, it doesn't have that feel. That's why I want a camera with an optical viewfinder.

Anyone? Would be willing to upload some nudes in exchange.

go to /p/, find the gear thread and ask the people who know

First off, as someone who was in your same position a few years back, take my advice:

1) You are an amateur. Do not spend that much money on a dSLR. "The grip feels better" or "the features are outdated". You don't know how to use them in the first place, get a less expensive camera to learn on, and blow your wad on the accessories you find you'll NEED once you start using it, rather than the ones you think you'll want.

2) Never buy a dSLR new unless you are already a professional and need the latest top-end model. You can find used bundles on eBay or ali for 1/2 or less of the price, used a dozen times, because people like you spent $1000 and found they didn't like the hobby - or because they upgraded to a top-end model.

3) Start out with the basics. And I mean BASICS. One standard 18-55mm AF lens, a low to mid-range flash, UV and circular polarizing filters, tripod, and a remote shutter control. Learn to use it with what you've got, and it will make you a significantly better photographer. I've seen too many kids in college blow $4k on camera and still can't take a decent picture because they always had the best equipment money could buy. No replacement for expereince.

Oh, and 4) Find a brand and stick with it. My biggest regret was putting a good chunk of money into Canon just to find out I prefer Nikon. Now I have a sack of useless accessories and have to buy all new shit. I ended up selling it as a lot on ebay to recoup some money, but would preferred to have been able to use all my lenses with just a new frame.

It's not like I've never used any camera equipment before. I've used a couple of camcorders, and several digital cameras before. It's just that I've never worked with full manual settings or film cameras. Is that still too little experience to be handling DSLR? Besides, 100D, 750D and 800D are all entry-level DSLRs. You make it sound like I'm trying to buy a 5d Mark or something.

The cheaper ones are around $600. So you're saying that I should just buy those or other used cameras and use the leftover budget on lenses and such?

Why do you prefer Nikon over Canon? Is it a technical thing or something of preference? I heared that Nikon has better AF systems than Canon, but I wouldn't know for sure.

Absolutely. Learn manual mode on a cheaper camera. You will have significant diminishing returns on higher end cameras until you can look at a scene and know from memory the settings to give you the best looking pictures. That's when you graduate to 5D or something that you can then continue to grow into/learn on. It's much like with racing cars, you don't start with Corvette or a Ferrari, you learn on something like a Miata until your skills outgrow the equipment. Lenses are the accessories that let you push the limits of what the frame can do - and most are interchangeable with the higher-end models which makes them a much smarter investment than the frame itself at the beginning.

I prefer Nikon because I do a lot of nightclub shooting. I find they have better AF and better extreme low-light than Canon - that said I prefer the layout and price of accessories for Canon. If you're shooting indoors or outdoors either is going to produce a nearly indistinguishable photo from each other, it really comes down to what interface and available accessories appeal to your preferences. Although if the majority of your shots are going to be illuminated by lasers, glow sticks, and a hand-held flash I'd have to say the Nikon reigns supreme from my experience.

Rental places could be the place to be. Most of the times nice people work there (speaking for the dutch).
You could walk in, have a chat. Talk about what you want and need. And if they'd like you enough, you could maybe rent some camera's for a low price. See which ones you'd like.

It couldn't hurt to try. There's lots to learn from them, and their clients.

Film camera rentals should do the trick as well. But could be less helpfull for you since their somewhat more specialised.

Listening to this man is wise. Don't get fancy. Get a training camera.

Hmm... yeah maybe you're right. I guess I was a bit hung up on getting a decent dslr right from the start. What may be the reasonable price of a used older model dslr and bundle lens? Also, do you think that 100D is an okay place to start? Apart from the bundle lens, should I buy full frame lenses or crop lenses?

The majority of my shots are probably going to be without any artificial lighting. If Nikon has better AF, would you say that Nikon cameras are better for filming?

I'll check into that. Although, it's highly unlikely that I'll find the 'right' person to talk to. Most of the people that I met who work in small camera shops tended to oversell.

If 800D is not a 'training' camera, why is it labeled entry level?

Shops are different. Rental places don't want to sell you anything.
I've worked in a lighting rental, and have been to many different kinds of rental places. In my experience most people are relaxt, and if not busy always in to help with questions (and sometimes even borrowing equipment to test).
They could even maybe direct you to friendly pro photographers to have a chat or something.
You never know what you learn from a bit of chatting around in that world.

That's interesting. I'll look up some nearby rental places. Thanks for the advice.

Honestly I don't think I've ever used either camera for filming, so I can't comment on the AF or quality for that purpose. Either should be fine in up to dim lighting, but that may be something you want to play with at the store. (What little filming I do is with a GoPro)

The 100D is a nice starter camera. Very similar to my first (Rebel XT). I'd maybe look for something a generation older and a step up however like the 760D if you can find one, but either would be great to learn on and both seem to have good reviews for video.

Price and feature sets. Back to the car analogy, a Toyota Corolla and Subaru WRX STI are both considered 'mid-size sedans' but one is straddling the 'sports car' line and the other is merely a tool for old people to meet for coffee.

No problem. Enjoy learning, it's a nice skill to have.

I think I'll go for 100D. 760D seems similar to 100D but apparently it's 1.5-2 times more expensive. That being said, I'll still look for some camera rental places and check up on them, just in case.

Thank you, both of you! For once, asking on Sup Forums turned out to be a good idea.

That's what happens when you ask questions when all the kids are at school.

Also nice quints.

Beautiful

Get a body only, the ef-s 18-55 kit lens sucks. Get the 50mm 1.8, a very nice lens for about 100 bucks.

If you're truly just interested in "finding out" if you want to pursue photography, just cheap out and go to Wal-Mart and pick up a Nikon D3300 with two lenses for about $600. It's entry level, but more than adequate for your purposes, and it takes decent quality video as well.

sony a6000 or updated a6300 shoots 4k video both great cameras

a lot or great reviews on you tube check em out