Am I some kind of neo-racist for not using your pronouns...

Am I some kind of neo-racist for not using your pronouns? I know that there is a shit ton of politics and the SJW scene is loaded with loonies, but I want to just consider individuals for a moment. Look! It's a guy and he's dressed like a girl. I have the right to refer to them as a guy, and they have the right to be offended if they prefer "they" or "she". I want to put myself in their shoes and think about how frustrating it would be to be referred to as something I'm not, and to be in the minority with little power to promote positive change. Is it like a racist slur to not acknowledge their feelings and accommodate politely so they can feel like everyone else?

It's probably not as overtly aggressive as an all out racial slur but deliberately misgendering someone because "you have the right to call them a guy" just basically says you don't have any respect for them.

Why did quads have to go to this retard

Worst quads, respect is earned not given.

>There is something wrong with my brain that makes me think I am the King of France

This person clearly has a mental disorder and needs psychiatric help.

>There is something wrong with my brain that makes me think I am a woman

So brave, you go girl.

You're right, that is an unpopular opinion here. Mostly because no one here would call someone by the correct pronoun even if they knew it.

"Respect is earned, not given" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's a basic pillar of human decency that upon meeting someone you treat them with respect. You can definitely earn more than that initial amount but you'd have to be extremely autistic to treat people you've just met with outright disrespect, which is why you never get invited to parties.

Also, being a monarch isn't an internal sensation like being a certain gender which is why this comparison is a retarded strawman.

Nickel back really isn't that terrible.


Pretty much all memes are unfunny and the ones that are funny get reposted onto to facebook/twitter/reddit enough until they mean something unfunny.

The internet hasn't been good since 2005. It was just tolerable until 2010 then it became more of an inconvenience than anything else and now its a dictionary/porn/whocanIarguewithnext machine.

Nickelback isn't intolerable I think people just hang shit on them because they're so...gray? Like their music is so inoffensive and boring but yeah in terms of listenability it doesn't make me want to kill myself.

Transgender people need help and are likely suffering from mental illness. If we don't draw the line somewhere people will start having sex with dogs and it will be 100% acceptable.

I am man, hear me rip your fucking head off m8

Bullshit, you earn it.

I think most people accept that trans is a disorder, but the only help that's really shown any modicum of success in alleviating their suffering is transitioning.

I raped a jar of peanut butter once

Okay, nice argument there. The rest of civilization disagrees with you, though.

Most of them live long enough to regret the transition

Of course there is an initial level of respect you dumb cunt. But happily enabling someones mental illness requires either less or more (depending on how much of a regressive you are) than you should have for someone upon meeting them.

>Comparing two mental illnesses is a retarded strawman because feelings.

I guarantee the person who feels like a monarch has just as much of an "internal sensation" as the person who feels the wrong gender.

I'm not saying it's not a destructive disorder that can very much ruin a life, or that transitioning is foolproof and perfect and completely alleviates all dysphoria and unhappiness, just that of the available options transitioning is overwhelmingly the most successful.

I've hated living in a shithole eastern-european country since i was 14, but now i'm starting to see it's perks.
One of these is that flaming fags usually keep their faggotry to themselves if they don't want to get rekt'™.
Not worth all the white-thrash yelling traitor/cuck every time you don't have the exact same opinion as them, and this applies to both left and right wing.

No, the only help that is politically correct enough is transitioning.

Thats the problem, I feel therapy would be a much better option. Yet no one suggests this instead its all "be whoever you want" like fuck off. When some whitechick wanted to be a nigger everyone hassled the fuck out of her(as they should) but it's acceptable in this case?

Patrice O'Neal was funny for like 15 minutes before it became painfully obvious hoe much of an angry, bitter cunt he was. Now I csm only watch him for a little bit before wondering who hurt him

If you buy MSI hardware I automatically assume you have no idea what you're doing when it comes to computers and picture you as the "pro l33t gaymur"

Yes, most people in the Midwest are as stupid and as boring as you'd imagine. Say what you will about the South, at least they have charm and personality as apposed to farmer John in Nebraska whose highlight is the new Husker season

Face>ass>tits

Halo and Bungie were always hacks. Only saving grace was the multiplayer

The Mustang is a girl's car driven by fuccbois. Period

East coast > West coast for every reason except weather

Coding is an absolutely boring, life sucking, and tedious job that seems to be enjoyable for stone cold autists whose life revolves around saying, "I'm smarter than you."

Some dogs > all cats while all cats > some dogs

>Have a penis
You're a male

>Have a vagina
You're a female.

Ffs its not rocket science.

Plus the whole "Nickelback is the worst" joke is overplayed at this point. My go-to terrible band is Creed.

I kinda get what he's saying.
If I meet with someone I show them the same level of respect and politeness they show me.
For example, if I bump into someone while walking and they say "Oh excuse me." I'll tell them "My fault, sorry about that" or something like that. However if I bump into someone and they cone back with "WATCH WHERE THE FUCK YOU'RE GOIN" my response isn't going to be "My fault, sorry about that."

the way i see it, if i have a friend who's name is kevin, but he wants everyone to call him chris, i'll call him chris just because that's what hes comfortable with. if i have a friend who wants to be called 'she' but looks like a 'he' ill do the same.

i dont get it, but i don't really care. just as long as they dont give me a huge fucking lecture every time i mess up or try to blame it on the patriarchy because i wasnt perfect. situational awareness goes a long way.

had one trans friend who was like "yeah its cool, i look and sound like a man still, but if you could make a point to try, thats all i ask" he was fine. Had another trans friend who freaked the fuck out and had "panic attacks" whenever i got it wrong. Fuck him.

people do shit in their lives every day that i can't begin to comprehend, but i don't need to wander around policing every nonsensical thing i see.

I don't know how unpopular this is but GTA was an absolutely terrible game. Controls seemed wack, the game would often glitch and the story is just complete shit. Repetitive bullshit and even online is meh.

I'm the dumb cunt even though you've completely reversed your position on respect earned vs given and agreed with me? Cool.

"Happily enabling" also known as making a harmless concession for someone else's comfort and happiness. Being trans is an incredibly difficult position, and you being an edgelord and calling an MtF "he" isn't going to make them snap out of it. Trans people know they're abnormal, but if someone feels more comfortable identifying as the other gender, how does it impact you to abide that? As I've mentioned elsewhere in the thread, transitioning is the closest thing to alleviation for most trans people, that's their version of seeking help for their mental disorder.

I don't think feeling like a monarch and feeling more comfortable as a woman are at all comparable because gender dysphoria is a recognised medical disorder, the treatment of which often results in transitioning. However, believing you're the King of France is probably indicative of any one of a number of conditions, all of which have their own treatments.

Except one is literally a word and/or something written on a piece of paper and the other is being something you aren't+mutilating your body. Quite a difference. I'm just personally glad I've only met two Trannies or I would probably just straight up be unable to call them what they want to be called.

Are you seriously saying trans people don't seek therapy? The vast majority do, that's part of how dysphoria is recognised and diagnosed. You seem to believe that transitioning is something that people decide on a whim.

you respect everyone implicitly? do you lock your car doors? or your home? nvm dont answer that you probably dont believe in property law and are a great house dad for your wifes sons.

No, the only help that is even moderately successful is transitioning.

Marvel movies>DC movies
DC comics right now>Marvel comics right now

Apparently after this big "Secret Empire" arc Marvel comics has going they're totally dropping the political horse shit that's been dragging them down for years and thank fucking Christ.
After that we'll see where Marvel goes.

I don't mind a couple of their songs.

Fair enough, but in a normal human interaction with the basic veneer of politeness that not knowing the other person facilitates, misgendering just for the sake of it is inappropriate.

>talking to trans

You're part of the problem. You need to isolate them, you fool.

This is a popular opinion, everyone I know has these sentiments.

kys

For their name, I see it like this. Imagine you had a friend named Maximillian, but he didn't like it and wanted to be called Max. It'd be kind of a dick move to call him Maximillian after knowing this. Alternatively, someone that goes by their middle name. I have no problem calling someone the name or pronoun they prefer, as long as it's and actual name and pronoun

Trans people have to put up with all kinds of shit, day in day out. Discrimination at banks, jobs, with medical care, hate crimes. That's in addition to feeling like shit most of the time because their bodies don't match the way they feel.

The least you can do is act like a decent human being and not whine about being asked to respect their preferred pronouns. Anyway, most of the time it's the usual 'he' or 'she', sometimes 'they', I've personally never encountered anyone who wanted anything else (and you can always play the pronoun game by avoiding saying it at all, that's fine).

Some trans people pass, and you wouldn't even know you're using the "wrong" pronoun. Others don't pass, and you using the wrong pronoun is like a big kick in the gut reminding them.

Just stop thinking that you're the one who's being given a hard time, and give them some basic human decency.

troll thread is go

Respecting someone doesn't imply that I don't think anyone can wrong me. Taking precautions to protect yourself against crime is fine and not disrespectful to anyone. It's disrespectful however to accuse someone preemptively of intending you rob you when you have no legitimate reason to think so.

When I talk about implicit respect, I just mean treating people you meet with basic decency and kindness, not that I kiss the ground they walk on and assume they're the second coming.

I don't even remember the last movie I've seen at a theater(it's been years) and I don't regret it. Whenever I see a commercial it just seems like it's the same thing, unless something extremely creative comes along I'm not wasting my money opposed to people who literally see every "blockbuster" that comes along. If something appears good later you can find it online.

I'm not a troll, I'm not even really left wing. I just empathise with trans people because they're going through suffering that the rest of us can't understand, and I just think it's the kind and human thing to do to not worsen that situation by being assholes just for the sake of being edgy.

took me time the first one i met. i was really hung up on trying to figure out how someone could have the audacity to change themselves all the way down to their gender. or why for that matter. i still don't really understand, and i don't like that they have this obsessive martyr complex whenever something slightly unpleasent happens to them, but fuckit. its their meat-machine, if they want to mess around with it, and ask me to use a different pronoun then okay, just don't come at me waving a finger in my face calling me cis scum or some dumbshit like that.

Honestly thank fuck someone else in this thread is sane and has some form of social decorum.

>doing what gets them to stop flapping their hands
>alleviate their suffering

Because heaven forbid we decide illnesses are actually "an illness" and not something to make money off of "curing"

Anyone else still wondering why this debate is still on going?

You'd think people would wise up and just accept there are two genders. I get you want to feel unique and different from the rest and hell if you want to be a big tom boy or a boy who loves to dress up as a girl well fuck it let them. But there is a fucking line that shouldn't be crossed and we've clearly passed it.

dont worry, most of the extreme posts in here are written by people just seeing how hard they can play devils advocate. some of them really think that extreme, but not most.

Gender dysphoria is a recognised illness. There aren't many effective treatments. Therapy is ineffective. Medication is ineffective. Transitioning is an extreme option but often the only real option. It's not some collaborative conspiracy between big pharma, sjw's and the government.

no they don't.

you can tell me not to piss on you all day, but if you don't move out from the stream of piss while you yell at me...any sane person will laugh at you

What the fuck does this even mean?? How is this relevant at all? What is the equivelant of pissing on someone in this situation? I literally cannot comprehend your argument.

Because you moron, there is a difference between biological sex and psychological gender.

Sex is binary and genetically decisive whereas gender is multi tiered since there are so many aspects to human thought.

Gender dysphoria is not just wanting to be unique and different you absolute moron.

-It hasn't been around long enough for you to say any of that
-making you delusion (mental illness) a reality is not "treatment" a fact mentioned with all mental illnesses
-obviously no "treatment" is going to work for a moaning child besides giving them what they want. That's why it is so easy to idebtify that this is exactly what this is

unfortunately it's also become co-opted by a lot of people who just seek out attention and want to get a lot of trophies for being brave without actually having to do much.

trans community doesn't like to talk about it because it dissolves their solidarity, but ever since it became a mainstream topic of discussion, people have began gravitating to it in order to be walking, talking conversation pieces. people did the same thing when gay-acceptance was a media subject in the 90s and white people made artificial friendships with black people in the 70s again for the same reason.

there's a lot of people looking for a new big thing to be part of, trasngenderism is the new big thing even though it's an actual condition that's existed since the dawn of recorded history.

>Im a piss covered dumbass please explain why I can only ask for things and take care of myself, not demand things suit me because "muh illnesses"

>obviously no "treatment" is going to work for a moaning child besides giving them what they want

Right. And if the child is categorized as being one who moans about their gender, and they do throughout their life, and their gender is now technically modifiable, then why not allow them to find a way to modfiy it and stop moaning? And they generally do

Not even that guy, but you still aren't intelligible. Come up with an actual point, it just sounds like you're trying to virtue signal

because people pretend to believe this shit, and we don't ignore them

It's recognised by the American Psychiatric Assocation. And medication, therapy etc has all been attempted in the time we've recognised GD and none of it has been as effective as transitioning, so I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not saying it's perfectly understood as yet or there will never be a more effective option but right now that's the state of affairs.

All mental illnesses are unique and have their own treatments. Transitioning is a treatment for GD. You can't make blanket statements about something so nebulous.

The APA disagrees, trans people aren't moaning children, they're sufferers of a legitimate disorder.

>Tries to be understanding
>Gets called moron

Yup, sounds about right.

People just can't win against people who want to be correct no matter the cost. Even when you're on the correct side of their movements.

Going to the theater to see a movie is the absolute biggest waste of money imaginable.

Star wars is a shit series

I am that guy, and the other guy is right, I'm actually unsure if you're capable of forming a coherent and relevant, argument.

>what are spoiled brats

Because obvious reasons. They were able to change their entire body whining and pissing people off. How do you think they're going to attempt to solve the rwst of life's problems?

Certainly not by suing people that don't agree with them or some other gay, society taxing shit, right?

Trivializing a legitimate disorder is a moronic thing to do.

>It's disrespectful however to accuse someone preemptively of intending you rob you when you have no legitimate reason to think so.

Preemptively believing that someone is going to rob you is why you lock your doors and windows you dumb fuck.

hey if you guys wanna bang me get in line

>Certainly not by suing people that don't agree with them
I sure as fuck hope not, that would violate the idea of free speech.

Did you have another argument?

Accepting the possibility is not believing it will happen. I don't believe I will get robbed tonight based on statistical evidence. I've never been robbed any other night, I don't live in a high crime area, I assume tonight I will not get robbed. But it is a possibility, and it's easier to protect myself against the unlikely scenario than deal with the consequences on the off chance it happens. But this is basically irrelevant.

Simply telling a schizophrenic that the voices aren't real doesn't make him stop hearing them

how many genders do you think exist?

>they all try therapy
must be why there are so many laws in respectable countries about taking therapy and living your gender before surgery yet most of you skip to other countries
>medication isn't effective
No it isn't wanted because they KNOW they can have surgery. And they KNOW its a shitshow if you dont give them what they want. They weren't dying in droves before surgery was widely available.

>delusion doesn't mean what it is defined as

No it really does. I doubt you're any kind of shrink either

jfc you're stupid

shitty shitquads made of shit
you're a cunt eat your shit

>pc is better than consoles in every way and exclusives are a scam.
>ferrari is better than lamborghini
>vw is better than honda
>amd is better than intel and nvidia
>homosexuality is disgusting to most people even to homosexuals themselfs
>niggers and asians are ugly. if they look good its because they have lots of white assets
>hitler did nothing wrong
>anime is overrated
>metal is overrated

We trivialize things to make it shorter. We know it gets deeper but no matter how dig you deep and no matter from what angle or perspective it has to lead to some kind of core, an answer. The main point i waz trying to make is whatever solution we are coming up to might not be the best in the long run simply because we have a faster or more convenient solution.

But no i guess saying muh illness and moron is easier.

2, did you understand the point I was making?

>muh lesbian cake

No, I'm not a shrink. But I seriously doubt you are either, which is why I find it interesting you can say with such certainty why medication isn't wanted. There's just no medication available that treats the symptoms of gender dysphoria, that's all there is to it.

I'm not sure what your last point even means or what part of my argument you're referring to?

my qualm with all this is why are they trying to change the english language to fit their retarded narrative. I dont want to pretend like i give a shit. I'm not memorizing a bunch of made up words so it tickles your retarded brain. Also aren't "these things" like a fraction of society? who the fuck cares?

You basically stated that gender dysphoria is really just people wanting to be unique and different. That's factually incorrect and ignorant and detracts from the value and quality of the discussion.

>decency
>Sup Forums

There certainly are legitimate cases of gender dysphoria, but many people just want to be retarded special snowflakes

Okay everyone, I'm the user who has been arguing in favour of trans people this entire time and I'm out, a lot of you are the most thick headed and ignorant individuals I've ever interacted with and I hope it's just a persona you put on for the internet rather than who you actually are. Even if you personally don't see trans as valid or you don't understand it, for God's sake just treat people with basic decency and respect. Goodnight

...

You weren't the only one. I was arguing in favour of trans people too.

>harmless
Permanent, invasive, risky, only aesthetically functional (doesn't actually solve dysphoria, just social injustice)

>being a whiny ass is incredibly difficult
you're just jealous of neets

>if someone feels more comfortable as the other gender....
They have to waste everyones time making new bathrooms and another kine of makeup instead of just using what we already have, because they're SO understanding and accomodating themselves

>alcohol alleviates the symptoms of withdrawl...a+b=c
Moron

>i think some stuff in my diseased brain the king of france blah blah
great

youre hurting trans people by playing along with their mental illness fantasies. They need to be hospitalized.

>hormones

Bu-but user that isn't a medication!

>anxiety

but user, that isn't the source of the problem! yes it is the source of dysfunction


First do no harm. Cutting off your dick is not medically sound

Nigga how da fuck you get discriminated at da bank?smdh

thank you!

They were referring to just calling someone the gender they want, not about all the other shit like gender changing surgery and changing make up and bathrooms or whatever other things you're talking about

Doubt a quality discussion can be formed when someone calls people who disagree with one aspect of their views a moron.

As another user stated there are people actually struggling with this but a large percentage are just confused.

So if you say this is an illness than tell me what is a solution or cure to this?

discrimination now means weird looks. also, if a 6 foot 3 tall dude with tattoos wearing a dress and a wig came in, im going to look at him like a circus animal. I can't help myself.

That's what I was hoping you were doing

>people are looking at me funny

Because you made yourself look fucking weird. And this is how they will keep reacting to adversity because it is how they got their way in the first place.

being stuck in a mental institution isn't going to help them, at least they can still contribute to society and aren't going to be risks to other people in most cases

There are 3 genders, 4 genders, maybe even 5!!

>none of that stuff matters because I just said it doesn't. only approved facts matter

get the fuck out

hospitalized obvi. like any other illness.

Have fun on Reddit

Contribute what.

name one thing that has helped us as a society

All that crap is attention whoring. No your not an special snowflake. If you look like a man, I'll assume you are/identify as a male and refer to you accordingly

yeah but they still think they are somethng they aren't. they are sick. As long as society understands that and doesn't cater to their delusions im fine. But let's not create legislation and change the fucking definiton of what a boy and a girl means and all this other bullshit for a fringe of a fringe of a minority.