Why do people say transgenderism isn't a mental disorder. What in the everloving fuck is it then?

Why do people say transgenderism isn't a mental disorder. What in the everloving fuck is it then?

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Actually im wondering that as well. Wouldnt it be better to everyone if it was understood and studied instead of just saying "lol, its normal!" eventho most trans people still suffer from depression and have a really really high level of suicides?

sexual transition is humanity exerting its dominance over nature in the realm of biology. Fixing what nature left incomplete or simply undesirable. It's no different than how we use genetic engineering to augment plants or blood doping to help us run longer and faster.

Distracting people from real issues like foreign policy and banking corruption with social issues is nothing new
Plus, doctors make fucking bank """helping""" these things

In 1734:

"Why do people say people who believe in witches don't have a mental disorder. What in the everloving fuck is it then?"

I don't know, fuckface. We learn shit all the time. Anyone who is curious about the world. Not you, who are only really super interested in tasting your sister's ass.

>Thinks they're not studying this shit.

Holy fuck you knuckle dragging chimps sure sound smart until you start to type.

Why it's just another way to live life user :'D

That's exactly how English works, kid. Add more quotes for more emphasis.

Fucking neckbeards.

None of what you just said makes any sense

It is a mental disorder and it's not different from body dysmorphia.
As to why people are claiming it's not, see pic related and feminism(muh feels over logic)

It's not a mental disorder anymore than being a trump supporter is a mental disorder. It's just people being stupid.

The problem is that it's hard to determine what makes certain behavior a "mental disorder". More and more shit these days is being classified as a mental disorder. The DSM V is a fucking disaster. Pathologizing behavior reinforces that view of those who have it that those people are lesser because of it, and those pathologized often react in ways that a normal person would to being wrongly "diagnosed", which can make them look even crazier if you already think they're crazy.

Foucault has a lot to say about mental "illness" - check out Madness and Civilization.

you seem buttmad
i can only assume you're some faggot who convinces himself that it's totally not gay to jerk off to traps
PROTIP: it's gay as fuck

If it weren't 'natural' for the body to switch sexes, it wouldn't be capable of doing it, no matter how much hormone replacement you did. Sex fluidity is a feature, not a bug.

>"""Correcting""" someone's grammar
>Calling HIM a neckbeard

Transfags are hilarious
Then they kill themselves

It probably is a 'mental disorder'. But not in the way that phrase is used.The mind and brain are not in order with each other, because it's usually some deformity of the brain in utero, either via genetics or gestational problem. As such, we have limited reasonable options as a society. Kill them all and hope we're not killing the mind that cures parkinson's, test them all, kill all the genetically originating ones, and hope, again, we don't kill off the most important software insight of the decade, or help them and hope that with conformity of body and mind, they go on to great things.

It's a matter of morals, medicine, and money. We have the last two, we need more clarity on the first one.

How do I go about growing a vagina and having a baby?

Lemme know when a chick produces sperm and when a dude has a womb

First you have to eat a dick

sorry, only partial changes are allowed within the framework. But a 100% change is not necessary to be considered a change.

Try again.

your hypothetical is counter to your assertions of learning.

>considered a mutilation you mean

>Biological characteristics correspond 1:1 with social roles
>Femininity is inherent to biological women
>Masculinity is inherent to biological men

Separate sex from culture, ya silly guy

>But a 100% change is not necessary to be considered a change

dumb leftists keep making shit like this up to use as argument lmfao

mutilation is entirely subjective as it hinges upon the term 'imperfect'. If you consider it a mutilation whatever, it only matters if the owner of the body considers it one.

Female brains have lower synpases and cant logic, its been well studied.
They are the inferior part of humanity

people may 'change' their sexual orientation, after they come to terms with themselves. That's natural. Bodies do not change gender, it's not natural. It is natural that bodies do not match expected gender or expressed gender. WANTING to change body to conform to gender identity is natural. Doing so is artificial, but not evil, vile, or wrong.

LOL
Sauce pls

You prob support people hacking off arms and legs cause they wanna

>Biological characteristics correspond 1:1 with social roles
Citation needed.

Really? So tell me, if you have a variable with an initial value of 1, and you push it to 3, is it not a change because you didn't make it to 10?

Yeah, it's us who can't use logic. LOL

Or just a bunch of mentally ill twats all like "I'm a girl now! Tehehehe!"

Get educated you dumbfuck
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2567215/

That's exactly what I was saying.
>This
Means a quote. I was saying that he was
>Implying
That

lol you just tried to troll the wise man of the thread, how does it feel to know you have no intelligence??

It's only ever had 2 variables though, dick or vagina.

Your argument with hormones and shit makes no sense, a pregnant woman is more of a woman than a non pregnant one?

A woman with hairy legs is less of a woman than one without?

A man with a higher pitched voise is less of a man than one with a lower pitched voice?

>Bodies do not change gender, it's not natural.

We're talking about sex here. Not gender. And yes, sex is a dynamic process. Your default sex is sexeless, and your body is constantly pushing itself towards a specific sex, and can be convinced to go one way or another with the right inputs. That's a fact. It's called sex maintenance. That's what I mean - this sex maintenance cycle is the entire reason you can use hormones to alter your sex. It's a feature, not a bug.

I'm stunned by your lack of a real argument and your heavy stance. not

That says we perform cognitive tasks DIFFERENTLY. It also says "unrelated to level of general intelligence". Don't cherry pick, read the whole thing and think about it critically instead of using out of context points to support your existing views

yeah... you mean you aren't going to be part of the glorious transhuman revolution?

To be fair, his sister's ass is pretty tasty

A trend? A fad? A myth.

>A man with a higher pitched voise is less of a man than one with a lower pitched voice?

absolutely

They were trying to be PC. If you dont notice the VAST differrnces of logic between the sexes you must be a female.

>picks one part of a post to argue, ignores that rest of post covers most of his imagined great counter argument.

>Then argues our default is 'sexless'.

>cites biology, ignores evolution and four billion years of history.

found the cunt.

pls stop porn spam

If you're a God damn plant, you massively ignorant fuck wit.

paging mike tyson.

> It's only ever had 2 variables though, dick or vagina.

You've confused variable with value. I was only referring to one variable: sex expression

> Your argument with hormones and shit makes no sense

of course it doesn't, because you don't understand the difference between a genotype and a phenotype. Sex is an expressed trait.

> a pregnant woman is more of a woman than a non pregnant one?

woman is a term for gender. Female is a term for sex, but yeah, a pregnant female has probably had her sex further enhanced by the hormones. Think of it this way: someone with an androgen deficiency is definitely much less male than a super bulky testosterone fueled bod.

>the most ignorant baseless trap defense ever
I finally saw it, I can leave with my assertions of there only being two genders well in tact and polished to a glaring gleam.

you know people often support themselves cutting off their own dicks in say the pain Olympics, are you honestly trying to argue that cutting off one's own penis is not self mutilation?
>Protip: if you try to argue with this one, you're legally retarded or Journeyman level troll status!

Cut myself on that edge, you pretentious dick gourmet.

I believe body dysmorphia is the mental disorder.

My expressed sex is a10 warthog
>BBBBRRRRRRTTTtTTtTtttTtTt
>NO MO BATHROOMS
>THEY DUMP AND REFUEL STATIONS NOW

My layman understanding of it is that something went wrong during pregnancy and the person ended up with a body / brain mismatch;

-brain is expecting a body with a penis but there's a vagina instead.

or

-brain is expecting a body with a vagina but there's a penis instead.

This causes mental distress - depression and the like.


This where the current science is leading as far as I know, that's not to say it could turn out wrong in the future, wouldn't be the first time, but that's why we study these things, to figure out the cause(s).

Sexy?

>are you honestly trying to argue that cutting off one's own penis is not self mutilation?

Like I said, depends on if the body owner likes the change or not.

there are a few disorders at play
one is body dysmorphia
one is apotemnophilia
you also have narcissism, depression and histrionic personality disorder

combine all of those together and you get transgenderism!

Chopping your dick off and taking hormone pills makes you a woman like bolting a spoiler on a civic makes it a race car.


It doesn't.

When men can have working uterus/vaginas made for them and when women can have functional testicals that produce sperm then we can talk about gender fluidity.

Ding ding ding
Throw in a dash of capitalism and bam that's where we are

>DIFFERENTLY
is a nice way of saying "men are better" so as to avoid lawsuits.
>unrelated to level of general intelligence
would mean that they are using poor grammar, or they did not in fact measure/account for "intelligence"
>Don't cherry pick
as user is literally cherry picking.... hypocrite.
>think about it critically
my guess so far here is you're not very good at that.
>using out of context points to support your existing views
What existing views per say? You seem a little...
Triggered

So according to you, secondary sex traits aren't sex traits at all and the only thing that counts as sex is your body's ability to make a baby?

Nice theory you got there.

It may be a disorder in a way but in most cases it's probably not "cureable" so it doesn't really matter if it is one.

A shame you can't really have a reasonable discussion about that sort of stuff online tho...

That would be a good example if Mike Tython didn't talk the way he does because of brain damage/a disability.

dafuq is even a sex trait?

OK cool so you're just retarded. I would laugh, but now I feel bad cuz laughing at the tard..

I think you're more concerned about quality.

Thought experiment: If I could buy a perfect, moist, adorable girl pussy and have it "installed" such that there were no scars, no weird vagina structure ... is that mutilation? Or is that an upgrade in features I want?

The problem is you are horrified by ugly botched jobs with non orgasmic, non lubricating, non perfect hardware changes.

Ok. That's valid.

But if the owner is happier, net win?

Problem is that many still aren't

>So according to you, secondary sex traits aren't sex traits at all and the only thing that counts as sex is your body's ability to make a baby?

Well sort of, because a womans body evolved to carry children and a mans doesn't.

Men physically don't carry the supporting structures needed for child rearment (we can't produce healthy breast milk, we can't convert internal energy to feed something inside of us unless we get a tape worm)
Mens bodies don't produce the hormones needed for pregnancy or fetus development either.

FYI MIKE Tyson had a lisp in childhood.

> is that mutilation?

no

> Or is that an upgrade in features I want?

yes

> But if the owner is happier, net win?

yes. Mostly because I'm not the one who has to live in their body, so my judgements on their body are kind of useless, unless I plan on fucking them or something,

to add to this, the only way men and women could be any more biologically different is if we were separate animal species.

Even our muscular nervous and skeletal structures are different between men and women.

Yes, he did but it was worsened over the duration of his fighting career.

So now it comes down to quality, as I said. We agree botched jobs suck.

But if "quality" is defined by the owner as "net win, upgrade", and they are happy ... see my point, muh dude?

>THEY DUMP AND REFUEL STATIONS NOW
>REFUEL

I don't think a bathroom is generally a good place to find body fuel, try somewhere that has food instead, it'll usually be much tastier than what's in the bathroom.

again, you make new shit up to use as arguments

maybe it'll work to your average virtue signaling libcuck, but it's not gonna work here

Ah, thank you.

why do you care?

If people start seeing people that aren't in the room with them, they get put into a home. If a special snowflake decides they want attention and change gender, i'm supposed to respect their pronouns and play in to their delusion? come off it

By all means if you wanna chop your dick off, insert breasts and fuck chickens thats your right
But as soon as you try to normalize perversions that's when its crossed the line.

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dumping

(this comic actually isn't racist, it's pointing out how trannies essentially adopt feminine stereotypes in order to live out their delusions. here, stereotypical black mannerisms are used instead to show how fucking stupid it is)
(yes, the transgender movement is sexist as fuck)

You must not understand the warthog community, we actually get energy off of excrement
Little chilren have the best

look up ben shapiro on transgenderism, he gets it right

I'm trans.

No. If you don't respect my pronouns, fine. I just won't deal with you.

No problem.

Just don't infringe on my freedom.

You may think whatever you wish.

Mock me, and I mock you back. I'll find some fucked up feature you have and pick on YOU for a change.

Or ... we could just get along, muh dude.

People dislike it because it makes it sound like even after the person has transitioned, is happy with their body and is willing to move on from where they were before and start their life in the body that feels right to them, they're still "crazy" in society's eyes. And in the eyes of psychology, they aren't: a person with a mental disorder has trouble living a healthy, happy lifestyle as a result of their illness. If you have a set of conditions that doesn't negatively impact you, it's not a disorder.

Body Dysmorphic Disorder covers the part of a transgender person's life that can be considered mentally troubling. It's when that part of your appearance you can't control stops being "I don't like my _____, but nothing I can do about it" to "I can't stop thinking about my _____ and how unhappy it makes me, it is affecting my ability to function and enjoy life". Some trans folk transition with little hate or excessive woe over their situation; they're not obsessed with disliking their born sex, they're just elated to have the option to change things that kind of bothered them before. These people are about as crazy as anyone who realized they didn't like their nose and decided to save up for a nosejob: That is to say, medically and psychologically they have nothing actually wrong with them.

Similarly in trans people with BDD, the issue isn't that they want to be a man/woman. It's how much their state of living as a woman/man negatively affects their life. For these people transitioning isn't the disease, it's the treatment.

Your definition of sex and it's value are hyper-specific to yourself. There's nothing wrong with that per-se, but you're not gonna be able to convince people to see things your way when they actually do care about the parts of sex that aren't just for making babbies.

>yes, the transgender movement is sexist as fuck

But gender dysphoria is literally classified as a mental illness. It doesn't matter what people say to try to be politically correct. If you think that turning your dick inside out is in any way, shape, or form not a form of mental illness, you're just trying to be agreeable out of fear of offending someone.

hey that's a pretty progressive trans we got here, fair play

"A phenotypic characteristic or trait such as male pattern baldness that is expressed differently in males and females, usually because its expression depends on androgens or oestrogens, and that is controlled by a single gene that is dominant in males but recessive in females, so that, for example, men who inherit the gene from either parent lose hair as they age, whereas women do so only if they inherit it from both parents and are thus homozygotes. Also called a sex-limited trait. Compare sex-linked."

oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110810105828993

Google is your friend.

Perversions??

You're a priss. Weak. Scardy cat. Frightened. Is anal sex a perversion? Oral sex? Come on, grow up. It's a big diverse world.

aww poor you, maybe you should have thought about the bullying before choosing to become an outcast

DID YOU JUST ASSUME HIS GENDER FAG???
IMA TAKE LESS THAN 5 TIL THIS FUCKER BLOWS HIS BRAINS OUT

Your argument would be fine if transitioning fixed anything, but it doesn't
Suicide rates before and after transition are pretty much identical, nevermind promiscuity and depression

A good deal actually end up regretting the decision too but that's a whole other bag of worms

tldr; transitioning solves nothing by treating the symptoms as the underlying illness is still present

Wrong.. that's what it is

cont.

What are your views on kid fuckers then???
Is it a born trait, a abnormally grown brain that causes that behavior??? Is it just w.e makes them happy?? Where is your line

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