Communism doesn't work. Neither does its horrible cousin socialism

Communism doesn't work. Neither does its horrible cousin socialism.

You cannot prove this assertion wrong

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not until technological advancements make human labor obsolete. then it might.

Which economic system has brought about the best technological advances?

National highways and parks are socialism. Those "work" fine. The US has tons of social programs... things built by taxes for public use for the greater good.

Most human labour is obsolete. The only reason the majority of jobs havn't been taken over by robots is because people are unwilling to let them. The system has to change before people are going to let their jobs be taken by machinery.

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>every. single. time

>You cannot prove this assertion wrong
Except public schools, health care, police departments, fire departments, EMS, postal service are all constructs of socialism and all work.

Doesn't really fit your epic demotivational maymay, but sure. National highways are socialism and your image doesn't address that. ;)

>public schools

People have increasingly gotten less intelligent, despite funding increases over decades

>health care
Expensive as shit, thanks ObamaCare

>police departments
All them brutality cases

>fire departments
Voluntary ones are better

>EMS
Paid for in healthcare insurance

>postal service
Because DHS or FedEx isn't 1000x better

USSR acheived many great feats that were astounding under their circumstances, being under siege practically throughout their whole existence by hostile countries.

Your opinions don't change the facts...

Cool. So if government does x, then all these wars gotten be socialism too right?

You'd want to be consistent with your definition and defend the unpopular things government does too right?

Yes when we done it without taking care of the jew issue . But if you kill all jew anybody will oppose to egality because non jew have honnor

You think people are more intelligent since, say the early 20th century do you?

That moment when you realize that Communism destroyed one of Russia's most proudest treasures of all time; a bitchin ass dynasty of tsars...

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yea, obamacare is singlehandedly responsible for high healthcare costs. we totally didnt have that problem before obamacare...

Go look up the definition of socialism then ram a cactus up your ass moron.

Look to any scandinavian country and see that their socialist programs are far superior than American programs. Heath care, education, infrastructure.

dhs, fedex and ups often use the postal service to transport their packages because its cheaper and faster.

communism

Yeah 'cause the government was all hands off the healthcare system before right?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

kys

expathealth.org/healthcare-news/global-patient-wait-time-statistics/

DHS delivers TO USPS almsot all of the time.... it's cheaper that way. And FedEx just blows

Oh hey an american too blind to see other countries do this stuff right.

the guy said "thanks obamacare" as though that was the problem and not massive inefficiencies at every hospital in the country and overpaid doctors.

No, I'm not that invested.

There is no single definition that encapsulates socialism.

No they aren't. That is social spending. Social spending is not socialism. You have no idea what you are talking about.

see Also

thelocal.se/20150127/swedens-health-care-is-a-shame-to-the-country

But there is no wait for emergency services.... at all...

>overpaid doctors
This is probably one those faggots that thinks fast food workers should make $25 an hour.

Kill. Your. Self.

Your grasp on macroeconomics is at a Bernie Sanders level.

Yes there are. Words mean definite concrete things, fuck off obfuscator.

Okay, but regardless of you being invested or not.

By your definition the military industrial complex is Socialism

It looks like socialism does work after all.

theres a reason people see physicians assistants or nurse practitioners instead of mds for their outpatient meetings these days...

>continues to assert incorrect opinion after overwhelming evidence the assertion is wrong

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The reason why Marxism was so appealing was due to its sympathy for the horrible working conditions and low wages of the proletariat.

But times have changed. We have replaced human labor with machines. Jobs that have bad working conditions pay MUCH more than they used to. Workers are allowed to unionize, and in most mining and manufacturing industries, unions exist.

Everything that Marxism wanted for the proletariat has already been achieved without a violent revolution or dictatorship (in the US).

There is no need for socialism. Even the countries that claim to be socialist (Denmark, Sweden, etc) are really large welfare states. The means of production are owned by the state, but the state is made up of the bourgeoisie. Socialism requires a violent revolution because the bourgeoisie will not give up their power. Everywhere that has occurred, millions of people died. Cambodia, China, Russia, Cuba, the list goes on.

Wow, it's almost as if they are a small and culturally/racially homogeneous country.

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>corporate tax rate lower than the United States

tradingeconomics.com/norway/corporate-tax-rate

"elective surgeries"
"specialist appointments"

That article is misleading people by not explaining what those are.

>health care,
Hospitals get a large portion of operating costs covered by trusts, grants and pledges.

>public schools
And public schools are shit. These are actually funded by the state. Coincidence that something funded by socialist ideology is garbage?

>police departments
Para-military arm of a standing government. Enough said.

>fire departments
Was a volunteer firefighter for 6 years. Fire houses are privately owned, usually by a trust fund kiddy looking to add some credibility to his portfolio.

>EMS
Sister is an EMT. It is not socialized. Much like hospitals, privately owned and run.

>postal service
Ditto. It is REGULATED by the government because it's considered critical national infrastructure by DHS & other agencies, but it isn't funded by them.

>constructs of socialism and all work
Perhaps unsurprisingly, you understand little regarding the underlying mechanics of the society in which you live.

Don't feel bad -- europeans don't know how EU administrative councils get elected.
Protip: They don't get elected. It's a trick question, but eurocucks fall for it everytime.

Marxism isn't about communism.... Marxism isn't a thing but he wrote about how capitalism will fail not how communism will succeed. Try actually reading Marx

they aren't....

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They won the race to the space.

Communism doesn't work in practice.
Same thing with large-scale paratrooper assaults in warfare.
Theoretically functional until you add humans into the mix and actually consider history.

>and lookey how correct he was

oh right, the scores of reformism, national socialism

whew lad, so close, much genius Marx

When big business conspires to keep wages low, people genuflect and call it "capitalism."

When labor tries to get a fair share of the pie, people stomp that idea flat and call it "communism."

long and short of it?

It's the cost that causes shorter wait times, less people can afford treatment so those with economic status get treatment, while the majority of sick and injured are left untreated due to the cost.

Bernie thread?

the National Socialist party wasn't actually socialist.....

Of course it doesn't... Neither does Capitalism, however. Thinking it's better to just let the rich and corporations have their way though? Well, that's for sheep. Bahhh bahh.

This.
I've seen free clinics in countries with socialized health care. I've been to UK, France, Germany, NZ and Canada.

The wait times compared to a free clinic in the US, let alone a private practice clinic? Holy fucking nutbutter.

Also if you live in a country with socialized health care and you need an organ transplant; just kill yourself now.

>Standing armies are socialism.
go ahead and tell me you would be better off hiring a private military to defend your country. Remember, if the can be hired, then they can be bought.

>Court system is socialism
Go ahead and tell me you would be better off paying for access to privately owned courts.

>nuff said.

Marx wrote about how capitalism would fail eventually.

He also wrote about the different types of socialism: Utopian, Electoral, and Revolutionary.
In the communist manifesto, it is repeated multiple times that one of the goals of the communist party was to abolish private property.

Marxism is an ideology; communism is its application.

I believe it is you who needs to reread the communist manifesto.

>nationalization of banks
>nationalization of workers unions
>Nationalization of industries

The state taking hold of all that means of production how, unrelated to socialism

The National Socialist party wasn't exactly far right either. It was authoritarian-centrist.

socialism is about giving the rights to the workers, not a dictator...

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>y-yeah t-they're both terrible as each other

>socialism is about giving the rights to the workers, not a dictator...
Problem. People in large groups are retarded. It's called groupthink and mob mentality.

Source: Western Democracy

k.

We'll just believe your specific nuance of socialism and ignore over 100 years of history shall we?

1) We make enough food to feed everyone
2) We waste tonnes of it
3) We farm inefficiently i.e. not enough GM and too much cattle
4) False Scarcity makes you think capitalism is necessary but really we live in a society where some dipshits get born into billions and get super-yachts whilst billions starve.

Socialism has little to do with "workers rights". It's simply state ownership and/or control over the means of production.
Socialism makes no claim to right or wrong, fair or unfair. These are all judgments and subject to opinion.

Except im american, not european. Public schools are better than private schools here because a private school is more likely to be religious affiliated and be total shit at teaching science (though admitedly decent at any other subject). Fire departments here are not privately owned. While there are tons of commercial EMS services near the largest cities the majority are still paid for by the county. Postal service here IS funded by the government (and stamp purchases).

> Which is why no far-right groups idolise the Nazis...........
> Oh wait
> Nazis were right-wing as fuck don't try any of that revisionist ahistorical nonsense.

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"Swedish patients have reacted to the poor availability of medical care by highly justified dissatisfaction. The official national guideline for the maximum waiting time to see a doctor in primary care in Sweden is seven days (ridiculously long compared to many other countries). Only Portugal has longer expected waiting times.

Current surveys suggest that the waiting time for family physicians and specialists in the Greater Stockholm area currently appears to be up to one month.

The county councils and the Swedish Association of Local Authorities and Regions' (SKL) excuses are well known: shortage of doctors, large migration to urban areas, nurses fleeing the profession, and so on.

But in reality, Sweden has no fewer doctors and other health professionals than most other countries in the study.

There is no relationship between money supply and availability. Albania, one of Europe's poorest countries, has no waiting time at all. And population movements and demographic changes are taking place all across Europe, not just in Sweden."

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> Even the idiots in Cuba are doing better than USA in many ways and what they call socialism is questionable + USA has been blockading them for decades

>far right groups idolize the Nazis

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stop talking about things your Democrat history teacher taught you.

socialism and communism can only exist in a democratic society by definition.

Moron.

You're the type of idiot who thinks we can just transport fruits and vegetables to africa to end starvation.
>And that, that would be a good idea.

But Jesus was a commie

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Funny, coming from a commie. The utter lack of self-awareness is astound.

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Venezuela elected Chavez yet...

this.

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Socialism seems to work quite well in Scandinavia.

You can't prove an political assertion wrong its all based on value judgments and who you choose to believe.

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Current surveys suggest that the waiting time for family physicians and specialists in the Greater Stockholm area currently appears to be up to one month.
damn dude it took me almost 6 months to see a gastroenterologist for a stomach ulcer diagnosed in the emergency room here in the albany ny area. i would love a 1 month wait time.

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>Postal service here IS funded by the government (and stamp purchases).
So where do you think the money to ship that box of dildos from amazon to you goes...?

>While there are tons of commercial EMS services near the largest cities the majority are still paid for by the county.
I don't think you've ever had to get picked up by an ambulance.

Let's be clear here. Subsidized operating costs != socialized services. You're talking about subsidized expenditures--someone still has to pay for them. That's why an EMS bill usually starts at $500 and works it's way up, and why you have to pay for shipping packages and letters.

You're still paying additional fees, ontop of taxes that may or may not go into postal services and EMT services in your local area. That's private income expenditure--not taxation .

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What most of you don't undestand is that insurance - ANY FORM of insurance - is a form of socialism.
Pooling resources from everyone to pay a few "needy" is a socialist concept. Thus, any form of it is socialism.
And that is exactly what insurance does. Just because somebody makes money off it doesn't matter. Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it any less of a pig.

Thus, OP is saying all forms of insurance is a failure. To which I agree.

you misspelled the world

As seen in Sweden, and the fact that on a global scale, scandinavian countries aren't even bit players.
Try harder.

and scarcity

Nah the future is either:
> Fully
> Automated
> Luxury
> Gay
> Space
> Communism

or apocalypse

In theory it makes sense and works. According to history, it doesn't work in practice because of greed and laziness.

The reason capitalism doesn't work is because the unemployed stay unemployed, and those in low paying jobs have no job security.

While it works in the higher realms where you have the experience to actually negotiate with your employer, hourly employees have no negotiation power with the employers so walmart/krogers/best buy/mcdonalds will just pay you as little as they can, and companies other than that type of job will just ignore you.

Capitalism works in the upper realms, where you have the background to where you're a desirable employee, which is entirely based on luck and what class you were born into.

Fact is those that are smart with their money having them in even "safe" investments putting 100k into an investment account is enough to generate the poverty line.

You don't even have to be that rich to generate enough money passively to sustain your existence. So why is helping people so difficult for you?

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Please read the thread before embarrassing yourself

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Also not true. State ownership/control says NOTHING of who owns/controls the state.