Taxation is theft. Prove me wrong

Taxation is theft. Prove me wrong.

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it's not because you can leave.
if you were forced to stay then you'd be right.

>tipping is theft
>having to pay for things is theft
>me dying is murder
>meat is murder
>owning pets is slavery
>cigarettes being legal is murder
>alcohol being legal is murder
>me having to sleep is robbery of my time
>me needing food is entrapment
>having sexual urges is rape

If there was a band of thiefs terrorising your neighborhood, it would be illegal no matter if they let you leave or not.

Those are different because you can choose not to do those things (smoke, drink), concern pets or are just unrelated and retarded.

No. I enjoy my parks that are nicely maintain even if I rarely venture there. I also enjoy my streets relatively garbage free.
>My state is tip tier in all fields
>If NYC or Cali that'd probably change

false equivalency.

unless the band of thieves made it known before I moved in they'd be coming around regularly and told me what would and wouldn't be taken.

>implying none of these could be done better and cheaper by private enterprise
Think about it.

They'd go "you pay 10% of what you earn or else we break in and thake it ourselves"
You know, like the government.

go ahead and refuse to pay your taxes OP see how quickly you end up in the same place as thieves

You can choose to buy a boat and fuck off to a remote island. There are costs with living in a society. No taxes, no nothing. Government exists because humans are not moral or pure enough for an anarchocapitalist system to work.

What you're advocating is the movie Mad Max.

Not an argument.

>fapping is genocide

then it's not theft. if I move in I have agreed to those terms.

like i said try not paying your taxes

the world would be much less comfortable without taxes

There will be no corporations nor any people on said island because the imperialistic countries of the discovery era made sure to grab every piece of land there is. There is no escape like you're describing.

>the government will beat you into submition if you don't pay them money so that makes taxes good
Do you not see a flaw in your logic?

Oh damn looks like you gotta join the rest of society then. Gingersnaps.

fact a privately owned police force would be wholly above the law

what do you think pays for a police force that isnt?

Property is theft

Why is someone to entitelted to own land, just because he was born before me, and gave some paper sheets to a now dead person?

it's the same logic

taxation would be theft if you get nothing in return. but you do. from parks to schools to roads to literally thousand of things you take for granted.

no they will jail you for trying to live in their society for free

Kek

So what you're saying is it's okay to do that? Yet it's illegal to do so because the government wants to have a monopoly.
If I organise some strong men and start asking for money it'd be illegal wouldn't it?

except you are born into it and are obliged to pay taxes before you are even able to think about it

>you can just leave
>no I can't, here's proof
>oh damn my argument just fell apart. Gingersnaps
Just because you're on welfre hogging my hard labor doesn't mean I want to be a part of this deal.

What are you giving in return? Safety? You already get that with taxes

>babies pay taxes
In what world user? It's literally illegal for someone to live by themselves at that age.

assuming this is occurring in a vacuum and not inside the boundaries of any larger government institution, sure set up your government and see if people want to move in.

>assumptions
>speculations
>assertions
That's all you got user

I remember being 16 and reading Ayn Rand for the first time too, user. It gets better.

>implying nonincome earning children pay income taxes

So who pays the private enterprises to maintain that shit? Do you pay taxes to them then instead of the government?

life is so tough

start with kids paying sales tax. technically not their money but w/e

Yeah where do they get that income from?

>technically not their money but w/e
You won't have any strong arguments with that attitide. It's their parents' money.

sales tax are not theft. you agree to them by purchasing in the public market

Depending on which country you're in:
They are also done by private enterprises paid for by the government.

Taxation is not theft.
Everybody goes outside and walks on a sidewalk, pushing a button to cross the road in a green light without getting run over. Everybody gets police and army protection. Everybody gets welfare and healthcare if you get sick (in normal countries at least).

You have no choice then to participate in these things. Otherwise you would be unable to live like you do.
You have a choice in not using these services. And that is by leaving.

Not doing so is illegal dumbass. You will be beaten and thrown into a prison if you refuse, that's not freedom.

And you have the freedom to pick mushrooms in the forest for food. You don't HAVE to buy anything

>And that is by leaving
Where? neo-communist europe?
Oh let me guess, Somalia.
Socialism is being pushed around the world so that there is no escape. All countries that would otherwise be worth it are long gone.

Not him, not even retarded.
Mushrooms have very little nutrition. You'd have to eat literal tonnes to survive on a pure mushroom diet.
t. PhD in fungology

are you one of these people who think going to mars would be a dandy idea?

What's wrong with going to mars?

and you are just reiterating
yes, and my point is kids agree to it before they can even ask the question "is it theft?". well, we just established its not their money so, lets move on.

basically its you come of age and you agree to the terms or gfto. or go into politics and get yourself a slice of it and leech of it

I don't care about the nutritional value, just that OP can gather food instead of buying it

radiation
no atmosphere
no magnetic field
teraforming would be a long and expensive process that may not even work

there are barely any people so thats a plus imho

What do you suggest we do? Ban procreation?
Clearly a lot of people like taxes, more so then the folk that don't. We have to raise them in a taxed society since that's where we live.
It is what you describe, you either agree or you gtfo. Nobody is stopping you.

I'm saying is you do have a choice. You not liking that choice doesn't make it non-existant.

You CAN avoid paying taxes legally by moving. So you have a choice. So taxes are not theft.

I guess you like paying taxes more then living in a shithole.

or grow it, or trade or buy privately.

>barely any people

yes because it would be a living hell the most frightening part is we are running out of room on earth so we have to figure out something

>You CAN avoid paying taxes legally by moving.
Again, to where. Point me to A place.
Protip: you can't
There isn't a single country that hasn't been invaded, is a dictatorship or isn't a shithole.

how is this not communism?
Dont want to pay taxes?
go live in the woods in a commune you dirty hippy

United Arab Emirates
Oman
Bahrain
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Bermuda
Cayman Islands
The Bahamas
Brunei
There you go OP, these places won't tax you

> a lot of people like taxes

so then why not make it voluntary?

>radiation
Closed buildings
>no atmosphere
Closed buildings
>no magnetic field
Oh no compasses don't work, it's not like we have GPS or something
>teraforming would be a long and expensive process
It'll be long-term profitable so coroprations will be more then happy to do so
>may not even work
Post proof.

its not fair that some pay in while others do not but all get the same services

Why don't you run for office then and see how many people agree with you

Taxation is voluntary, it just has consequences.

the magnetic field does a lot more than direct compasses

then what did you mean by a lot of people?
then why not deny benefits to those who didn't pay?

No they wouls not. Privateers always want to maximize profits. They would keep the money for themselves deliver a half assed job and would not pay their workers well enough.
all in all i would give neo liberalism a 0/10

>mudslime infested shitholes
Made me think. I asked for places I can go to that aren't dictatorships, have or are being invaded or aren't shitholes.

I'm seriously trying to understand why people have a problem with letting people be free and voluntary cooperate with one another. So far I am getting emotional drivel

In a bubble maybe, but we have this thing called competition. Someone else would deliver a better job and we'd just use their things.

so you would not pay taxes and then not have the right to call the police when you are being robbed?

UAE = shithole

kek

So cry more about it then

WE JUST TOLD YOU RETARD
One could just be rich, choose to stop paying taxes, then when they lose everything say they'll pay from now on and sign up for welfre.
You either get the full package or move, it's called equality.

>United Arab Emirates
>Arab
There's your answer.

Sounds fine to me. Police never arrive on time to assist in emergencies anyways. Rather spend my money on a security system, gun, and training than on a pig that gives me tickets for going 10 over the speed limit

>Defending mudslimes
I hate newfags

>Police never arrive on time to assist in emergencies anyways
Ameriflaps in action

Wilderness of chili, wilderness of alaska, amazon rainforest.
are just a couple that come to mind.
They are shitholes, and you'll be living in a cabin. But you do have a choice.

It's about being able to have a choice. You can either live in a non taxed shithole where you watch your back or freeze to death. Or live in a society where you can walk freely on the street because taxation has made everything nice and easy for you.

Two choices. So the theft argument about not having choices is technically invalid.

>wahh police stop me from being a danger to myself and others

speed limits exist for a reason

taxation pays water lines, electricity, streets, hospitals, schools etc. how do you want to keep these things without paying for them?

>technically
You can either pay me or die. You technically have a choice :)

I think you are explaining a flaw in the states system for providing welfare than a flaw in leaving people alone and not forcing them to pay for an arbitrarily sized government.

Welfare btw... kek

>what is capitalism

>I want all the benefits of civilization without paying anything for it, you're all literally raping me.

quora.com/Which-countries-have-no-income-tax

You agree to the implicit contract by remaining here when there are options available to you that do not tax your work. You knew long before you needed to start working that income tax was a thing. You have other options. implicit contracts are still contracts and are binding.

victimless crime

-Taxed lands: Good to live
-Non taxed lands: Shitholes

Does this mean anything to you?

>welfre is bad
Why don't you just kys user? You're literally arguing for starving out the poor.

I've never paid taxes (not including sales taxes). Now I collect disability and am being p a I'd by the government to do nothing.

Good talk.

>victimless

ya except all the other drivers on the road you are putting in harms way

so you rather want to pay exceptionally more and each time your taking a service than paying taxes and the government does it all?

There will eventually be a victim if you keep doing it. Shooting a gun in the air is illegal regardless of weather or not the bullets hit someone.

>exceptionally more
You mean less right? No bureaucracy like the EU.

Yeah that's bringing the US very good healthcare that is affordable for everyone.
Other countries that have this taxed are fucked.

all the places without workable systems of commerce and national defense paid for via taxes are shit holes? weird that.

Am I?
War on poverty has spent how much?
Difference in amount who are poor between great society and today?
Not getting into any moral argument in why i have to be forced to pay for the poor and their crappy life choices

Gov holds a monopoly on most of the services you are saying only they can privide. Example.

In y neighborhood we didn't have enough streetlights for the kids to safely play t night.
Instead of asking the gov to put them in some of the neighbors get together. And had them installed. We paid for them and we pay for the power bill. City had them removed because we didn't obtain a permit(which would have been denied) a month later the city put new lights in on our street, and charged the tax payer.

Go try to fix a pothole on your street on your own. The gov will make it impossible. That's called a fucking monopoly kids

i want to see your fucking ass paying for a broken sewer pipe in your street or a fucking power plant and then we'll talk

>and their crappy life choices
AAAAAAAAAND you're too American for this board. Go back to Sup Forums

Damn, you almost got away with trolling. You got to try harder then that big boy.

>putting in harms way

gonna have to clarify that one user, otherwise its meaningless and still victimless

>the government would never do a half-asses job
>no incentives = hard workers