Are you a liberal user? If no, what do you hate about liberalism?

Are you a liberal user? If no, what do you hate about liberalism?

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Yes I'm a liberal. And the Democratic party is NOT liberal. They're corporatist scum just like the Republicans.

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before and after liberalism

liberalism causes normal human ageing?

i don't think they are the same person user

Uhm... you guys turned into Nannys who want to dictate every aspect of life - on top of that you have an obsession with sex and genders that is right up there with religion. You went from free speech hippies to control freaks in just a couple generations. Conservatives may be retarded - but liberals literally are starting to eat their own, and have nothing positive to offer.
>vision of the future
Your vision of the future is a weird sexless socialist blob where no one is happy because to be happy indicates some sort of "privilege" .... uhm... no thanks.

>Are you a liberal user?
No
>what do you hate about liberalism?
Progressivism, reformism, and social democracy.

What a dumb post. When you generalize like that, it makes you seem like a fucking idiot and someone that's not to be taken seriously.

I thought I was liberal. Until I was called conservative (like it's some form of insult to be conservative) by one local far-left feminist bitch. I really liked Bernie Sanders because he was pro guns plus a liberal. I have supported gay marriage, equal opportunities and free speech my whole life. I thought that I was liberal. Now I'm not sure anymore...

I think I identify myself as libertarian/conservative/classical liberal nowadays. But I don't identify myself as mainstream leftist anymore since the left has went full retard and far-left and antifa seem to direct their course nowadays. Both are groups I hate with passion. Actually I hate antifa and far-left even more than far-right nowadays...

Yeah but not all liberals

I don't really feel like I identify with liberals, but my political views tend to side more liberally than not. However. I'm not a feminist, I think bullying and body shaming are good for social development and shouldn't be has harshly discouraged. I'm for stricter gun laws but mostly on the grounds that guns are for pussies that can't handle a fist fight. Pro-choice, anti-death penalty. Didn't like Trump or Clinton but Clinton seem like the lesser of two evils.

Also I'm basically and amoral sociopath.

Liberal: Science is everything which is why to deny climate change is to deny science.

Science: Transgenderism isn't natural and is a mental illness

Liberal: That doesn't count, science is wrong.

>Generalize like that
Almost as if the left does not generalize race or... anything at all huh? Way to think things through man... way to step back and observe your own position

Eh thats just you spending too much time on the internet. Most "liberals" don't agree with those extremist views. But people that are outspoken like that are a dime a dozen trolling the internet.

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They used to be pro American and pro labor. Now, they not only hate the US but western civilization as well. They've gone from "ask not what your country can do for you.." to "gimme free government shit". Once staunchly anti-communist, they're now communists and apologists for Muslim terror. They're no longer about the working class. Now it's faggots, trannies, feral niggers, feminist head cases and illegal aliens. They've become a cancer on society.

Maybe not ... but the ones that are the most outspoken are.

I would agree with that if I actually saw liberals standing up against Antifa ... but I dont - so your point is invalid.

I like how you assume he has the view point that the outspoken retards have.
Nice strawman, buddo-san.
Way to step back and observe your own fallacies.

those legs

Yeah well criminals don't give a shit about fist fighting, they'll use guns no matter what. And Clinton was not the lesser of two evils. I'd say they were on par just different sides. I couldn't trust her with national security after the email thing anymore than Trump. She should've been charged. I've had secret security clearance training and what she did even at my level of clearance let alone her level, would have gotten her in jail if it wasn't for who she was. But really it's potato potatoe, both were horrible choices.

Except the scientific community is still pretty divided on the whole trans issue. I'm not taking a side just wanted to point that out.

Spend a few minutes on google and you can find reputable doctors/sociologists/biologists/psychologists on both sides of the issue.

Regardless of it being a mental illness or not I don't see an issue with letting people live the way they want to live so long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Keep in mind some people still think homosexuality is a mental disorder.

I'd rather live and let live than be on the wrong side of history.

>Your point is invalid because I'm ignorant.

The loudest members of a movement set the standard. When the majority of a group remain silent, they get outmoded and replaced with those that agree with the vocal minority. The minority becomes the new majority, but can exert control before that happens.

All has been already said. Nothing to add. "The left" has gone far-left and they don't even seem to understand it. I thought that Brexit and Trump would wake them up to see that they are doing something wrong but no, they keep pushing even more left than before.

Left is dead until centrists and classical liberals can identify themselves as part of left again.

i'm liberal, because i have an conservative mindset and strong distaste for progressive left

Same could be stand for conservatives. Most are much more middle ground. But you have the few twat waffles that go on the internet and are retards. The left then just stereotypes all conservatives that way.

Where is the strawman? You mean pointing out the arguments the left is constantly making? Those are the fake strawmen?... uhm...

I hate the trigger warning, speaker deplatforming, super feminist element, just like many people on the right. The problem in America is that most people identify the other party with its most extreme elements and that is the constituency played to by politicians. We need a new moderate center.

>than be on the wrong side of history
Dumbest phrase ever.

Prove me wrong then... where has the left stood up against Antifa? I am actually curious.

You lack of "seeing" doesn't invalidate shit. Get out in the world and talk to people. I know plenty of liberal minded people who are against violent protests and the whole antifa crowed. In fact I'd say that MOST liberals are against the antifa folks as they see their views and actions as counter productive. Keep in mind many liberal heroes were famous pacifists.

It's hard to be a liberal and not be progressive. I'm guessing you mean the regressive left - i.e. the college kids who complain about cultural appropriation and other non-issues.

THIS! Democratic Party is corporatist shit just like Republican party. They both benefit the rich people and big companies. Only difference between them is their means to get there.

USA really needs a new party...

Read the first sentence again, kid.
You've claimed that his position is something that in reality, it isn't. You've attacked his alleged ideology, and acted as if he actually had that viewpoint, when he clearly doesn't, hence it being a strawman.

>uhm...
Go to school.

soon..

At least your views don't change because of screeching SJWs. I have no idea why cucks are going farther right just because monkeys tried hopping on board.

Yes I am a liberal and proud of it. What I hate though is the focus of the "liberal" media on non issues, especially these SJW talking points that have nothing to do with fucking progress. Worker's rights, environmental stewardship and equity are what I believe true liberals stand for, but we have this class of fucking spoiled ass city kids with micro attention spans who jump from one asinine talking point to another.

The media doesn't help either, it paints all libs as fucking crazy anarchists and all conservatives as inbread racist scum, and thus no true genuine discourse occurs.

this destroys all liberals not even joking
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Everything. I hate everything.

check out people like Sam Harris - there are plenty of reasonable, liberal minded people out there who hate the "regressive left" and everything it stands for, just like there are many conservatives who hate the racist and nationalist elements of their party.

No, the science community is pretty much on one side of it with very few on the trans in normal thing. It's not. Trans people literally can not exist without the scientific community getting involved. They are not natural. Now the whole gay/lesbian thing, well no one can tell another person what they like, we all have different tastes so I can accept that. But when your DNA says you're a boy, you're a fucking boy.

Generally speaking, unpleasant people to be around. Can't tell a fucking joke or voice an unpopular opinion without some over-opinionated fuckwit taking it personal and starting a drama, throw a hissy fit when running out of arguments and retort to ad hominem like "hurr racist homophobic misogynist durr".

Just uptight people. Glad we have none of them at work.

Define many...

Totally agree.

I find the most outspoken people on the internet on both sides tend to be the more extremists retards. And when a voice of reason emerges it quickly gets trolled by the retards on both sides.

Divide and conquer tactics. The politicians rely on it wholly. They powerful stay in power, and the constituents are too stupid to realize they are playing right into it while they burn everything around them.

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What about intersex people?

mostly the egalitarianism aspect.

it's a flagrant spit in the face of anyone who understands nature to imply that all animals are "equal", despite evolving separately.

Me.

but it definitely gets high ratings and lots of fucking clicks. All this tech, and we've managed to create an outrage machine that occasionally also shows cute animal pictures

Do you have a better one?

my great-grandpa was made a semi-famous local hero to a bunch of racists for breaking a black man out of jail and lynching him.

I don't want to be remembered that way for having trans-phobic views.

it's the other way around. it's hard to be an conservative without being liberal. then you're just an authoritarian.

Me.

retardness

it's a sad truth

>implying the progression of social norms makes you correct

be a sheep than, the lions will laugh at you.

>be in thread about what is wrong with liberals
>make point about what is wrong with liberals
>person arguing with me says it is a strawman because I dont know his real positions

Uhm... WTF are we in this thread for for 500 Alex?

That they hate Communism.

Edgy.
Don't worry, I won't fuck you over because you're autistic, user.
>...spit in the face of anyone who understands nature...
Mi'lady.

They're out there, they're just letting the people they don't agree with do the talking for them.

as if I'm going to click that link...

Grow a fucking brain and use your words to describe your opinions don't let some bullshit video do your thinking for you.

lol ok buddy

>hate antifa

what's wrong with being anti fascist ?

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Atnifa ARE fascists.

Yes, I'm a liberal.
I agree with this too, but I still vote Democrat despite my mixed feelings on the matter. I believe true liberalism has a better chance of taking hold in America by usurping the existing "liberal" party than it would via third party.

>living under a rock

>antifa
>anti fascist
sure goyim

>the pope

fucking kek

What is the difference between a trend and an individual anecdote? Jesus christ guys... I mean give me a link or something. Wow...

You mean hermaphrodites? They are a genetic mutation which can naturally occur though rarely, but the scientific community didn't have to get involved to make it happen, And when the do surgeries to correct things, they use DNA to determine what sex the person is primarily and put them the way their DNA says they should've been. At that point they aren't forcing a body designed to be male in being a female or visa versa

Jesus, lad, you must be autistic. I'm sorry, I didn't know.
Also, I'm not the same person, dumbass. (Though that is quite obvious.)

what is classical liberalism user? and isn't libertarian and alt right kinda same these days?
I see trump supporters and neo nazis calling themselves libertarian on twitter and social media

antifa are facists that wants to enforce their own agenda on everybody else

ok nice memes but explain whats wrong with being anti fascist?

are you serious?

Haha, goteeeeeemmm!!

millions of Americans, for sure. There were plenty of people who voted for Obama twice that voted for trump this time around. You can be most of those people are liberals who were just as sick as conservatives about PC culture and the overreach of the far left on social issues. I'm a European liberal, and even I think trigger warnings and gender pronouns are absolutely indefensible garbage

Voting for extremism begets more and greater extremism. You don't jump in the rapids, then try to reverse their flow.

edgy as fuck user, 9/11

You, like most people, are confusing sex and gender. Of course you cannot change your sex - your DNA, you can however change how you express yourself as either feminine or masculine.

For all intents and purposes trans people dno't like being referred to by their sex, but rather their gender. It's not hard to just let them express themselves the way they feel most comfortable. Perhaps if less people like you insisted they were sick they wouldn't kill themselves so much... ironically the same is true of homosexuals but we just haven't gotten to that level of social progression yet.

Too bad. These days two guys can fuck and most people don't think much of it, but if a guy wants to live as a woman and fuck a guy all of a sudden its just too much.

antifa beat up women, anyone who disagrees with them. they're vehemently anti-free speech and call anyone who disagrees with them a "nazi".

to browse you need to be 18, now go do you homework

So, you want an article of someone standing up against Antifa. Okay, brb, I'll type one up about myself.

Take me to your liter

There is nothing wrong with being anti fascist as long as you aren't be a fascist in the process. They claim to be anti fascist while using fascist tactics against anyone that doesn't have their viewpoint. It's like the ultimate irony. Being what you claim to be against.

Gay

Using fascist rhetoric to decry fascism?

sex is gender. sex is your biology, it's what determines how you naturally act and behave. the whole "trans" thing is just a product of the society we live in, nobody can naturally be "trans".

to think you're any other gender than what you were born as is clearly a mental illness.

They actually are fascists. They want totalitarian control over others and are quick to use violent force to eliminate any dissent. Antifa ARE fascists. They're just to stupid to realize it.

>be a sheep than, the lions will laugh at you.


fucking shit dude you're in the fourth demention of weebdom

I hate all the progressive made up bullshit. Global warming? Transfluidbilateranus? Fucking just shut the fuck up already. Its like im surrounded by a bunch of god damn pussies. Thats why i voted for trump. We need our teeth back. For so long we been walking around sackless like a bunch of god damn bitches

No.

I dislike liberalism along with all the other 'isms because they attempt to create and inflexible, all encompassing worldview based on mostly subjective values and attempt to assert these values upon all others with a sense of moral superiority regardless of the cost or efficacy of their policies.

Political and economic ideologies are like the replacement for religions, when they are not already intertwined.

>using old quotes somehow makes you a weeb

wew lad, sorry i didn't call him a nigger.

Can you run that one by me again in plain English my man? I get the impression we're probably on the same side here at the end of the day but third parties never get anywhere here. Look at what the Tea Party did within the GOP, and look at what the Sanders campaign almost managed to pull off on the Democrat side. It seems like the more pragmatic approach to me.

You are not giving me anything nor are you giving me any evidence what so ever that my "strawman" is false. No links... no good counter points - nothing. Your argument is basically "na na na poo poo - you a dumb dumb head.".

I mean that is a great argument and I am proud of you - but maybe provide some counter evidence or something. You know - how arguments are supposed to work. Let me help you... How about you show me specifically what is wrong with my strawman argument? How is the strawman wrong? What strawman did I use exactly? .. Come on buddy you can do this if you think through it. I believe in you.