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how many scrivners here?

lol yeah it might b a little hard to determine who is who but that's kind of cool

meme magick and deep learning are structurally the same technique. discuss.

I am but 1

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no gods, no masters. no teaches, no students. anoncademy

hmm idk what do you think is the connection between the two ?

No names no nothing

both meme magick - coming from operation mindfuck, discordianism, merry pranksters, surrealism etc - and deep learning amplify minuscule or even non-existent patterns into being

>meme magick and deep learning are structurally the same technique. discuss.
more on this...

>both meme magick - coming from operation mindfuck, discordianism, merry pranksters, surrealism etc - and deep learning amplify minuscule or even non-existent patterns into being
whats the limit point? how flexible? how fungible is this system?

Interesting.

hmm yeah i see. i'd agree w that though (and this is an aside prob) i think meme magick is much less of a knowing process and seems more mystical. like
>there's a goal usually
>then the production of images
>????
>profit.

is meme magick inherently competitive?

idk why meme magick is goal oriented. doesnt seem like there is a long term or even predictable structure to dispersing memes

agreed re mysticism. it exists at the threshold of tech and magic. it's a very basic, stupid form of intelligence, just like deep learning is very stupid in general, but extremely good in, say, seeing dogs or pepes in everything

it seems that meme magick autogenerated

I see it as collective. The collective will guides what will be wished into being. If there isn't enough meme magick behind your desired outcome it probably won't happen.

I mean, when we say meme magick... we are essentially talking about a new form of communication? But at base level-- its still just a contagion of ideas

i think with le pen for instance they are trying to meme her win into existence

is meme magic art? is it what art looks like when co-opted by the right? and now, whats left for art

that's so mememagical of you to say

this was similar with Trump, Bernie, Corbyn too. seems to indicate a shift in how political decisions are executed, through new technological mech

Art is always bogged down with identification as art

always take the platform and infrastructural design into account. it's not simply a collective.

how can we say its either one or the other?

mememagikers on mememagik:

le pen is mightier than the sword

interesting side not: every post and reply necessitates and AI training image captcha

care to expound? why would the infrastructure or platform necessitate competition(?)

yeah more on this?

acknowledging platform, at bare minimum, seems to acknowledge some form of collectivism as well

meme magick is not inherently right-wing, is it? is it art? poiesis definitely, since it produces.

>it seems that meme magick autogenerated
as in... what? inevitable? caused?

>meme magick is not inherently right-wing, is it? is it art? poiesis definitely, since it produces.
not sure exactly what is meant by this... can you expound ur def of Rwing

i was trying to bring non-human agency into it. every platform, channel, infrastructure shapes the way knowledge is produced in it. see here: the time it takes to post, etc, the thread structure

what exactly would make a *tactic* "right wing"?

technically this process/religion (?) should work for anyone

Yes I think invoking non-human agency is interesting... we still have to consider the role that collectivism and tribalism play. The way universalism gets factored in as agenda etc.

yeah though on here what threads are kept alive is determined by human interest and activity. if no on is interested in what is on a thread here, it simply dies. so i think one's suggestion for meme magic or idea on it would have to be appealing to someone (or maybe very contentious since anger also evokes a lot of engagement on the internet)

also, what would be at stake in saying that Meme Magick *is* right wing.

interesting to bring tribalism into it. very old school cyberspace way of identifying groups. a caged tribe maybe? restrained in their movement, more like an internet cargo cult?

eat pepe alive

Meme magic is just a branch of magic. It's the process of a collective consience willing things into existance.
The reason why /x/ has such a hard time creating tulpas and succubi, is because they naturally do it for themselves individually and they have different tastes.
Sup Forums ressurected a forgotten egyptian frog god because they shared the endgoal.

My knee jerk reaction to the right wing claim on meme magick is that it explicitly self interested, at the expense of other's suffering.

chaos magic is libertarian af

Yes, definitely. This is the aspect of collectivism I was trying to hint at. In order for the thread to stay alive, something/someone has to engage in it. Someone has to breathe life into it. In this way, I have always felt that if you don't like something... the best way to defeat it, is to starve it.

yeah makes sense actually. /x/ is a cesspool
also the endgoal here is what? shared politics?

former colleague of mine, media studies phd, named his new born son pepe. unknowingly, two months ago. goes to show where media studies is.

popular kid.

why is there no left-wing or anarchist activism on Sup Forums?

what about meme magick and deep learning being designed by elite insiders -- can they be tracked through traditional antifa tactics? temporally

lol

lol

well at least we know what has been at stake, while some were busy talking about the need for more effective political art, others put a wig on pepe and won the elections

they left. they were once on Sup Forums, i think. this is mainly through asking around though and not a scientific measurement so don't quote me.

Sup Forums took some ideas from Sup Forums and made it's own explicitly political thing

also i think the crassness on here goes against the current trend in popular leftism

i miss the days of lulz

deep learning definitely is held by the elites and my guess is that this will be - already is - a huge problem and mess. is meme magick engineered? holy cuck

agreed. Sup Forums explicitly says fuck it all, we're gonna escalate it all. it's pure accelerationist practice.

there's platforms for deeplearning available for free from Google I think. But what would a person do with it?

Can you expound on this more?

do you think Sup Forums sees its practices as escalation or as restoring an ordered past? or are they not exclusive

i hate the discrimination here where I have to verify that I am not a robot... jeez

google, baidu and others have open sourced their DL toolkits early on. the trick is that they significantly increase their access to data and user experience. it's not a philantropic thing. not at all.

LET ROBOTS POST

what do you think the main ambitions of the Left are right now?

it's less about computing, more about conjuring, i suppose, or pure amplification. worst case scenario as a state of being. even aesthetically, all the memes are incredibly ugly, on purpose

But it seems that is inevitable. I wonder what would deep learning make possible if not held by the elites? Or is this a matter of the left's motivations not lining up with the technology to sufficiently implement it?

there's a very chaotic motion to some of what is happening on Sup Forums but ideas like deus vult makes me think some of them view themselves as crusaders ridding the world of degeneracy

lol, shrug
virtue signaling

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> LET ROBOTS POST
NO (clicks I'm not a robot, identifies cream bottles)

lol

you don't like the "screencapped 100 times" aesthetic?

engineered as in based on the pretext of actually getting ppl elected - if thats case in the us, not clear - but task force based, structured around a few big ones, like milo's boys. otherwise meme magic is just vice magazine snark

silly, robots cant read pictures.

i keep getting cars and street signs. BORING.

funny thing is, they can learn to, and select all the images with a gas station successfully

re the question "what would a person do with deep learning": strikes me as the same "what would a person do with a computer" question. "the left" doesn't specifically need DL. it's about a generally open and democratic access to tech

you think this is funnelling into learning for self driving cars?

cream bottles are the shit, dude

"pray to kek 3 times a day"

well i often cant is there a bot tht can help me? also, does everyone keep getting really dirty ads or is it cause i watched porn this morng

definitely. all image recognition

I would prefer not to

this place is littered with dirty ads lol

>well i often cant is there a bot tht can help me? also, does everyone keep getting really dirty ads or is it cause i watched porn this morng
i think this part in parcel of the Sup Forums exp

could meme magick only happen here bc of the simplicity and limitations of the platform, the numerology of the threads, the lack of notifications, the necessity to actually read things into it?

where is the porn? (that took me three captchas)

all this and the anonymity. you're free to say what you'd like. withouth that aspect maybe the trump supporters wouldn't have found each other. they might have been too afraid to voice their political views with an identity attached

right, and the anonymity adds to the sense that there is something larger at work here

agree

i remember when they took away dubs (limiting numerology games) around 2013/2012. platform is mutable