French Election

French Election.
Thoughts?

I'm french, left wing ideas, cast a blank vote.

I'm really sad that the choices left are the nazi thief and the rothschild banker.

Yet, I still don't regret my vote. For me, every candidate had at least one no-go red flag. I refuse to pick the less smelly piece of shit.

For the second turn, I think I'll put there an empty envelope too.
I'd feel really fucked if the nazi makes it, but I just can't vote for the bankster. He really seems like a power-hungry drug-addict with a pretty obvious megalomaniac and manipulative behavior.

...and obviously the nazi just feeds on hatred, no fucking way voldemort is elected, i trust my citizens with that.

btw, for clarity:
- le pen = nazi
- macron = bankster

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- le pen = nazi
- macron = bankster

>ask yourself who rules you without even having to be in power

Tits or go to Sup Forums

enjoy that Muhammad dick

I voted Mélenchon. Sure there are some things that are wrong with him but at least he would give us more power over things and he had an ecologic programme.

I will vote blank in two weeks. I don't care anymore about who is president and even though I would hate to see Le Pen president, there is no way I will vote for Macron. "Strategic votes" is what make people vote for the same fucking programme every single time. That's the reasons why nothing has ever changed in decades. And I will not participate in it.

And if Le Pen is elected, at least the speculative votes about the FN will finally be over.
Don't worry too much, whoever is elected, they are pretty much guaranteed to not have the support of most of the Assemblée Nationale.

There are good news though, the PS is almost dead now and will stop sucking the voices of left wing people to make ring wing programmes.

macron being a "bankster" is the least of your worries

>pic related; if he wins, the same happens to you in 2 months

actually, here's a non-exhaustive list of things that rule me, in decreasing order:

- dukkha
- random shit happening around
- love and kindness
- common sense
(...)
- power architects you're probably talking about

but you're almost right if you mean that on this subject, we're left with phony decorative alternatives.
i say almost because i really think there's actually a sort of ghoulish flexibility between "really bad" and "even worse".

I wonder who could be behind this post

poo poo weener pisspants booger

fuck off Guillaume, french people are fucking unbearable

drôle

It's remarkable how much people take all the good things the EU has brought us for granted. They are not. Nad most people have no idea what Europe would become when the EU breaks apart. THis must not happen.

So please, Dear Frenchfags, go to the polls in two weeks and vote for Machon. He may be a bankster, but nothing would be worse than the Eu breaking apart because of a Nazi ruling over France.

le pen's argument is right for a short run, to just solve the immigrants problem.
but… after leaving EU how France lives? UK has its own "commonwealth" so at least the empire can survive, but you France!how you can survive?

well you're wrong (assuming it's because your retarded, won't hold it against you). anyways if macron wins i'm sure you'll have a swell time being raped in front of your parents for a living

I agree in part but you must consider the timing. If the corrupt system we have burns down you have no opertunities. Trump is the prime example, what is undone in his 4 to 8... years may never be recovered. If le pen is elected it could be the end for europe at a time when a baboon is running america. What can a good candidate do later when there is nothing left to govern.

>samefagging this hard

If she destroys everything, we can rebuild. And at least, this time we know what not to do.

Could you explain what makes le pen a nazi ? macron being a globalist bankster I understand, but the nazi part ... I don't get it

Wrong. I'm not OP.

What is the EU bringing us atm tho ?

German ruling and forced labor.
Exactly what the resistance fought against during WWII.

Change EU or leave EU, there's no choice.

yea, about that, what upsets me with the terrorist threat...

... it's a fucking overused emotional leverage widely used in order to force people to give up their personal rights, with a well known false dilemma between security and liberty.

terrorism has killed 300 people in france in the past years, and that's just nothing. more people are killed by bees.

>that's just nothing

Well I guess you should have been shot instead of some policemen doing their job.

where do you think the money used by EU to bring good things comes from ?

oh my mistake

They don't understand what national socialism is, they just use nazi as a buzzword.

I know, those fucking terrorist bees.

But you're right. Much much more people die due to their work conditions or from environmental poisoning than from terrorism, because politics prefer playing the fear of terrorism card rather than actually fixing things.

Les gens ne votent pas et puis les gens se plaignent...

>where do you think the money used by EU to bring good things comes from ?

From the work of its citizens and the revenues of its companies.
Which both would not be possible to this extent without the EU's single market.

Instead, european nations would build up armies facing each other. Like they did for centuries, until the EU was established.

LIke I said: too much things are taken for granted.

I agree with the terrorism threaty beign an emotional leverage and don't understand why do people think le pen is a solution against terrorism ....

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>tfw bees killed 53 people in the US, more than 5x the population of france

of course it would be possible ; you're presenting it like a false dilemna : or europeans countries are part of the EU and must obey without thinking or they are at war with each other

not all bees !!!

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And yes ofc the French election has nothing on US election. But they might still triple or quadruple.

et alors ?

Just look into the history books. Nothing good has ever come out of the rise of Nationalism.

Or take a look at Gibraltar: Brexit hasn't really stated yet, but Spain and UK already play wargames with their navy ships there. Now, imagine this a thousandfold all around the continent, with the EU crumbling.

escargots

>just the black ones

Then do something about it and start building a real democratic EU and federal EU, not this fucking shite ruled by luxemburgish bankers and fucking German leaders

It will be wonderful, we will all get together and discuss what is best for all and we will sign songs and no, none of that you fool. You're on Sup Forums ffs how can you be this optimistic about anything. We know what not to do, but they have more money and more power and influence and every advantage, it will be a shitshow, but hey fuck the system yeah whatever.

of course good things came from nationalism dude, it's like saying nothing good has ever come out of globalism, moreover right now, wetern europeans countries are the least nationalists of all, and all the countries that aren't in the EU are'nt in war. Stop that manicheism and false dilemna.

>of course good things came from nationalism dude,
Which ones?
And be sure that they really came from Nationalism, not together with Nationalism.

ok, first, the movement's history. for years, the front national has been playing with xenophobia, nationalist populism, and any form of usable hatred. and despite the recent attempt (it's been like 5-7 years) to make the movement "respectable", there's a wink to the hateful base every now and then. like, taking a photo with a neonazi leader, showing up at tendentious happenings, shit like this.

then, the behavior. they play victim all the time, they oppose themselves to the mainstream movements, and that would explain why they are denigrated as they claim. they call everyone there a thief or a manipulator, but the le pen (the father before, and the daughter now) have the biggest amount of law-breaking proven charges against them in the political spectrum.

finally, the ideas. nationalism, populism, fucking "islamophobia" (respectable neologism to use when you want to say you hate muslims but not look racist cuz racism is bad but, still, those fuckin goat lovers exploding errywhere kinda bug me...)
trying to make people believe that the rest of the world is the reason we suffer.

they're fucking nazis in disguise

I'm not saying everything will be perfect. But our problem is that we cling to a system that was rigged from the beginning because it was made by people who didn't actually believe in democracy.
I would love to change it democratically, but that's too optimistic, people apparently only want violent change.

I'm not saying I want violent change either, I'm saying I'm expecting violent change and that we should profit from this opportunity to do things right for once.

the number is nothing, idiot.
ofc any death is sad.

What?
The EU would look totally different when ruled by german leaders. Take the regugee crisis for example. No other EU country followed Germany's path.
Or take the financial / EURO crisis. The whole thing would not have happened in the first place if the german position and ideas would have been followed.

bzzzzzzzzz allahu akbar! *boom*

:D

all the movements of independance for exemple or did the latin american countries or former english territories wanted to stay in their empire with fear of being constantly at war ?

I don't say fn is goood or something but I can't see nothing similar to nazi, maybe a bit of nationalism at most , but seriously, learn about the nazis before doing such comparasions.
And why populism is so bad ?

Germany is giving us order and judging our economy, they want us to ruin our society and way to live just to get slightly better economic numbers.

about the refugee crisis:

i'm ashamed to be french on this one.
we should have helped a lot more, and a lot more decently.

Merkel has my full respect on that point.

>Thoughts?

LE PEN! LE PEN! LE PEN!!!

>btw, for clarity:
>- le pen = nazi
>- macron = bankster
You think Le Pen is a socialist?
I think instead of meaning to cast a vote you just forgot how to.

The political wish for independance comes from the wishes for personal freedom and freedom from oppression by a usurper. It is not coming out of nationalism.
Like I said: out of, not together with nationalism.

And another aspect: what about the independance movements of Scotland, Catalonia or other regions? Is this coming out of nationalism? How could this be, with the nationalism of Spain / UK running against it? Are all the civil wars / independance wars a good thing?

>I throw away my vote like a retard to let the rothchild backed candidate win due to election rigging.
> I would rather surrender my vote than be forced to choice the lesser of two evils.
> French, Surrender. MFW.

Do you know how many fake votes got found out in the UK referendum? It was close to 20%, do you know how many of those fake votes voted remain? It was 99.9X% of them.

Remember the big news story about it? No, no one will ever hear about that.

Every vote really does matter, the UK only won by like 4%, a few million votes.

Pick the less smelley piece of shit. It is the better piece of shit, and those are your choices now.

stop seeing things just good or bad and you could even say that supporting the football team of your country is a form of nationalism too, is it good or bad ?

Who is 'us' and 'our'? Which EU nation?

>populism
check the definition. if you think demagogy isn't shit, well, we disagree, that's all.

>nazis
i developped plenty, here's the main reason:
"the rest of the world is the reason we suffer. we need to get rid of the enemy within"
that's a fucking obvious analogy.

>supporting the football team of your country is a form of nationalism too
That's not nationalism, but patriotism. Learn the difference.

Populism = tell people what they want to hear rather than actual truthfully. That is "not good".

Nazisms Main driving force was aggressive nationalism. Nazis happily vote Le Pen. That isnt a swell sign.

One of the true force of the nazis was their propaganda, their talent at telling lies and repeating them so often that they'll become truth for all. now take a look at the presidency campaign and tell me who is using nazi's method.
The worst part of that : these method prove themselves efficient one more time

patriotism is good and nationalism is bad is it the difference ?

so the most populist of the 2 should be Macron by your definition

" us " and " our " is France.

Some other countries could probably think the same too, I'm also thinking like Greecen Italy or Spain, tho I can't really speak for those

If you can not think of other differences, you should be very careful to join political discussions.

Better go back to school.

Patriotism: I want ny country to be great!
Nationalism: MY CULTURE RULES AND YOU SUCK FOR NOT BELONGING TO THAT IN THE CORRECT WAY!!!

Except we had 11 candidates and most of them had a program that is more interesting than the one of Macron (who did not even have a program for months after he started his campaign). Most of the people who voted for him did it because they thought it would be the only way to avoid Le Pen being elected.

That's what happens when you let the media poll people and analyse that shit over and over for over a year. People vote for the candidate the media tell them is the most likely to win (based on air) who is not current boogie man

That bullshit is called strategic voting and that's how people are manipulated into voting for the same kind of people over and over.

even if the term nazi is supposed to stand for "national socialist", there's actually nothing socialist with it, based on the definition i use for "socialist" which, i'll give you that, is rather litteral: "ideas that deal with social stuff"

le pen is not a socialist either of course

So you are saying that the german government is giving the Elysee orders, and is trying to ruin the french society?

Do you _really_ believe this?

.... heu les gars, juste pour dire, je pense qu'on peut raisonnablement se mettre à parler français là...

...genre, ya que nous ici quoi...

No. They're both pretty populist, but LePen often talk into right wing echo chambers and tell them exactly what they want to hear. That they are great, and those other are the problem. All og them. They get everything while you get nothing. They are powerfull and we are weak, but we will get them. And "they" in France, like for right wingers everywhere, are whomever are the weakest, most different part of the culture.

The TSCG was enforced by Germoney.

This is a moronic "point".

It's not like there's a set number of deaths per year, and the rise in deaths from terrorism means that there's a lowering of deaths due to workplace conditions. The victims wouldn't have just died young anyway because they don't have some sort of environmental protections.

No wonder Europeans have stopped breeding or even protecting themselves, and turned their entire continent over to barbarians -- there's not a single rational man between Lisbon and Warsaw.

all of them are filthy good talkers

the 2 most effective are the 2 pieces of shit we'll have to chose amongst

Non, non, y'a quelques fois des non-français curieux. Ça peut permettre de sensibiliser à la politique française, aussi haut que ça puisse (ou non) voler.

nothing new here actually :)

ah, finally somebody I can agree with, except that macron isn't even a good talker, is just young and pushed hard by our medias. He is the political equivalent of a real TV star, he's the Jean edouard of politics

The point is that while terrorism is bad and dangerous, it should be way down in the list of stuff to give a shit about. Its not importing om the big scale og things. The biggest problem with terrorism isn't that its dangerous. It is that people are scared

> aussi haut que ça puisse (ou non) voler
> (ou non)
le messe est dite. Amen to that, brother!

it's spectacular and that's the point

Tho it's way easier to offer salafist muslims a chopper ride to the atlantic than exterminate all the bees.

Also, bees pollinates, salafists just explode.

>jean edouard
>loft story
>15 yrs ago or something
>wow, i'm old. better die soon...

You're being stupid. Where did I say terrorism is good ans makes work related death diminish?

I was saying that every single election, a great amount of time is dedicated to terrorism as if it was more prevalent that it actually is and exactly 0% of the speaking time is dedicated to problems that are more important and that have been going on for even longer.

Le Pen is not the only one, but she's using the terrorism card to the maximum because she know it brings votes. And meanwhile, nothing is done for the actually urgent problems.

funny how you speak of culture about nationalism instead of country or nation.....

>15 yrs ago or something
delete this !

>The TSCG was enforced by Germoney.
Among others, yes.
And almost all EU governments and parliaments agreed, including the french. They could have said no, like the UK did (and the czech, IIRC).

And what would have been the alternative to the TSCG? Giving up on the Euro, Greece, Portugal, and maybe Italy and Spain going bancrupt. Would this have been the better way?

All this because Merkel wants to destroy the french society?

what if a suicide bomber hangs a bunch of flowers to himself before exploding, does that make him a green-terrorist?

>no but he'll smell more like perfume than bacon afterwards. it's holier...

...

You're aiming for oh it won't be perfect but you know better and stuff. Brilliant i can't wait

The ifra og the nation statens was more connected to race or "nationality" before. Nationality is just a group word for people with simular culture. Often noted as being a "true Norwegian" or "Swede" or whatever.

kek'd

I'm french but don't share the same culture with southern french people, northern french people, alsacian, guyanese, or people in reunion island or french polynesia, but we all recognise as french, we belong to the same nation

Vote Le-Pen for the lulz

...

worst of that : she seems like the best of the two remaining....
At least we'll have laughs at all the "nuit debout" adolescent rebels against the work law who will vote Macron

You share the culture of Western Civilization. Individual freedoms such as speech, expression, religion, sexuality and political opinion. Separation of church and state and equality under the law.
I've spent 15 years living/working around SE Asia, Middle East and West/North Africa and these qualities are not often shared.

this isn't culture, this is societal traits of a nation, is just a little part of culture, there's history, arts, references, traditions, language, expressions and a lots of things I do have a western culture but I'm not german nor spanish. It's nor good or bad, but what I want to say is that nations exists

I dunno why u dumb idjit faggots use the Nazi words..Nazi had camps gas chambers..killed people in public..that don't exist in today world..terrorism yes..but these politicians ain't repping the patch..take the tin foil hat off faggots!