This is why your society is shit, America

Luke Price
Luke Price

'I don't want to pay for anyone else! I only care about MEEEEEEEE'
This is why your society is shit, America

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Cuba
qz.com/894362/america-has-been-downgraded-to-a-flawed-democracy-but-not-because-of-trump-economist-intelligence-unit-says/
youtube.com/watch?v=0k4pXwmis7A

Carter Brown
Carter Brown

If you cannot look after yourself its impossible to look out for others.

Angel Gray
Angel Gray

But the majority can look after themselves, so does that mean the whole system is pointless just because <2% of them are basement-dwellers?

David Wood
David Wood

Sorry to burst your bubble but every scientific study done in the past 10 years has shown that survival rates for cancer and most any other terminal illness is more than double in the US when compared to countries with nationalized anything, right? Our society is provably "better" and more effective the way we're doing things when compared to any Euro, Asian, SA country.

Josiah Torres
Josiah Torres

USA is a fucking third world country

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

every scientific study
sauce?
survival rates
for who? those who can afford the best care presumably?

you didn't answer OPs question, maybe it is because you were busy bending the knee to capitalism?

Jack Ross
Jack Ross

Not bending a knee to anything, just stating facts pal. Studies look at all demographics not just the people who "can afford the super-duper premium healthcare package." Maybe stop waiting around for someone to give you something free or complain about how someone has more than you and go out and get it yourself. Just an idea but I'm sure that flies over you faggot NEET's little heads.

If you can't provide for your own basic survival (not that difficult really) then give us a logical reason why other people should pay to keep you around since your very existence is a net negative to society as a whole. That's the real question. I'll wait. I'd love to hear how that makes any rational sense that isn't based on pulling heartstrings and relying on nothing but emotion and tossing rationale to the wind.

Jason Nelson
Jason Nelson

Not all of us feel that way. Some of us know that cooperatation is more important than competition.

Jaxon Butler
Jaxon Butler

A healthy society is good for everyone

What facts have you stated?

Adam Clark
Adam Clark

Glad you think so. Now fuck off socialist faggot.

Daniel Wilson
Daniel Wilson

More like I don't want to die using the NHS.

Anything free is worth what you pay for it.

Ethan Lopez
Ethan Lopez

Britbong is full of paedos. Pic related its Paul the Britbong Paedo.

Jeremiah Foster
Jeremiah Foster

It has more to do with lining the pockets of insurance providers than the selfishness of individual citizens. I'm typically quite conservative, but I do believe the entire US health insurance industry should be nationalized and premiums determined by income level.

Jace Green
Jace Green

This ^

Honestly why the fuck dont they just sort themselves out? just make something already, your basically paying to be alive but you dont do your selves favours by eating fucking family sized portions and driving everywhere.

Sebastian Price
Sebastian Price

A "healthy society" isn't contingent on keeping a few people who can't afford healthcare alive on someone else's dime. You still can't answer the question without vague bullshit and that's the heart of the issue. There IS no logical reason, it's all smoke, mirrors, and feelings so don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

Ethan Price
Ethan Price

the NHS *costs* about the same as other Western European systems,

you *pay* through NI contributions

it is *free* at the point of demand

Jacob King
Jacob King

Our niggers are substantially better than yours though.

Elijah Ward
Elijah Ward

better
niggers
Pick one faggot.

Oliver Wilson
Oliver Wilson

answer what question?

Jayden Carter
Jayden Carter

I have a reasonably high paying job with "good insurance". Which costs me $400 per month and doesn't pay jack shit for many things until I hit a $1,300 individual deductible.

Sign me up for single payer.

Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill

This is the problem with America's politics. We let a really small minority of freeloaders (who will always be freeloaders under any system) totally dictate what we do and don't provide for everyone who does work. It's retarded.

Aiden Miller
Aiden Miller

Pick one
Yeah...thats how things work. In any catergory there will be a better and worse. How did you make it through the capatcha?

Nathaniel Brooks
Nathaniel Brooks

He's probably dumb enough to buy a pass tbh.

Dylan Hill
Dylan Hill

If you can't provide for your own basic survival (not that difficult really) then give us a logical reason why other people should pay to keep you around since your very existence is a net negative to society as a whole. That's the real question.

For the second time. And again, a "healthy society" isn't contingent on others paying for someone who can't pull their own weight. If anything, a society is healthier when those people are weeded out because the entire system runs more efficiently on a unit-to-unit basis.

If johnny-gas-station-clerk dies because he can't afford health insurance, it's not a loss at all to a "healthy society" and let's not pretend it is because you're only blowing smoke up your own ass. If you don't have any skills/knowledge/talents to contribute to everyone else then don't expect total strangers to give a shit about you. That's about as logical as a heart surgeon and a mcdonalds employee agreeing to pay 10% of their income on a shared house. It's unbalanced and makes no sense whatsoever on top of being completely unfair

Lincoln Cook
Lincoln Cook

The US has normal enough policies for fire departments, police departments, roads etc.. I don't know why you guys go full retard when it comes to healthcare.

Some people are going to be a drain on the system - just like with any other government service - but, believe me, the average person's life is improved so much when they don't have to worry about being bankrupt if they get cancer or losing healthcare if they lose their job.

By being selfish and greedy you are playing into the hands of the people who you should really be angry at: not those poorer than you but those at the top like the insurers and corrupt politicians who gain the most from this broken system.

If not for them, you would pay less overall while getting the same or better level or service and subsidising the people who now can't pay. Rather than these people not being worthy of living as seems to think, they are simply victims of the capitalist model whereby companies try to maximise revenue and if literally everyone can afford something, then they aren't charging enough. It's a similar concept to the myth of zero unemployment

Josiah Wright
Josiah Wright

a "healthy society" isn't contingent on others paying for someone who can't pull their own weight. If anything, a society is healthier when those people are weeded out because the entire system runs more efficiently on a unit-to-unit basis.

I take it you didn't study anything like John Snow/ Broad Street cholera outbreak at school then?

Sebastian Taylor
Sebastian Taylor

The problem with your train of thought is that your analogy is flat out wrong. Citizens aren't a drain on the fire department, for the most part they aren't a drain on the police department, and our roads are already handled by state governments not the federal government.

It's not selfish and greedy to use your brain and realize that when you redistribute wealth (which is what you're proposing) people will inevitably lose. Everyone is, on average MORE poor and LESS wealthy. The quality of care has also been PROVEN to be worse in any country that has nationalized healthcare. I doubt you've ever been to South or Central America, but their hospitals are basically lined up cots that have little more than saline solution to give to patients.

The only people who propose the "everybody deserves "free" healthcare" bullshit are the people on the bottom of the ladder. The people who didn't have the discipline or fortitude to finish college, get a decent paying job and work for themselves. Don't be surprised when those of us who did put in the time and work to be successful don't care about you. It sounds cold but that's reality. And before you go on about the whole "but wealthy people don't work for their money", the reality is most DO and HAVE worked for their own success. Stop looking at some top-of-the-top multi-millionaire-boogeyman when the truth is someone with a finance degree making, say, 300-400k a year doesn't give a fuck about someone who can't do anything but serve fries. If the roles were reversed you'd feel the exact same way and you're a blatant liar if you say otherwise because it's just basic human nature.

Jason Allen
Jason Allen

being this retarded

Jeremiah Torres
Jeremiah Torres

being this stupid as to not be able to answer the question

James Thomas
James Thomas

By picking one of these.
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Sebastian Richardson
Sebastian Richardson

I can't believe I bothered to read this shit. Is this bait or are you completely retarded?

Thomas Sanchez
Thomas Sanchez

I can't believe I bothered to read this shit.
Not him but yesterday I typed out a well thought out response to someone and they turned around and said they wouldn't bother to read it. Pissed me right off. Imo if you make an argument but refuse to consider the responses you are not interested in having a reasonable debate, you're just shilling your own opinion

Austin Lewis
Austin Lewis

I said some citizens are. Which is true. Chances are you and I will take out far less than we put into the fire and police departments. I'm okay with that though. And I don't really know too much about the state/federal divide since I'm not American but I'm pretty sure your highways are federally funded.

Why not similar countries with free at the point of use healthcare instead of ones that are poorer in general? If you want to only consider South America, though, read this and prepare to have your mind blown:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Cuba

Did you learn to read a graph while you were at college? Look at how inefficient your system is. I'm not at the bottom of the ladder - far from it - but I'm pragmatic enough to understand that, even if you don't want to be compassionate, it makes more sense to spend on healthcare instead of middlemen and bureaucracy.

And it's not like going to college proves your inherent worthiness as a person either. Have you ever thought that a child might not get a very good start in life when their parent needs two jobs to get by? More than ever, people's lives are being determined by who their parents are, and your broken healthcare is another part of it. If you want a meritocratic society - and it seems you do - that is the exact opposite of what you want happening.

Kayden Cox
Kayden Cox

two jobs to get by?
Two jobs
Still don't make enough to buy health care expects me to take care off you.
Two jobs
neither offers health care
Two jobs
Why not just 1 good job?

Oliver Hall
Oliver Hall

Did you seriously just try to bring up the "healthy society" of Cuba, where people make less than a $1 a day for work and squads of police still take entire families out of their homes at night and imprison them if there's even the scent of political strife?

Holy fuck you are both stupid and have never been to Cuba. I don't know what kind of bullshit you kids are reading but Cuba is a hell-hole and anyone in South Florida that came from there can attest to it. I've been there and an average family has less than a rotisserie chicken to split up between a family of 5-8 every night. They eat 2 meals a day. That's the "healthy society" you faggots are arguing FOR? Get the fuck outta here.

Nathan Thompson
Nathan Thompson

Yes, you've cracked it. Poor people just need to earn more. Just like I am literally the best sports coach, but for some reason I'm yet to be hired. My strategy: 1. win games, 2. don't lose game. It's that simple yet somehow no one is doing it?
I don't know if you're trying to be stupid (you probably don't have to try) but the point is to show you how even a country that poor has a life expectancy higher than the US.

Ryan Cruz
Ryan Cruz

Has it ever occurred to you that a parent who needs two jobs just to fend for themselves probably shouldn't be having children to begin with? Oh right, it's never the individual's fault or bad choices, somehow it's society's fault. Fuck outta here you clown.

Parker Cruz
Parker Cruz

Shut up. That is what we tell ourselves makes us great.

Leo Foster
Leo Foster

Who gives a shit? They have a higher life expectancy by about 3-5 years, they're also brow-beat by their government and literally every choice is made FOR them by the government. If you'd prefer to be a slave and have the government make every decision for you from the time you're born to the time you have a burial plot then carry your happy ass to Cuba. That's not how the US works and we'd be happy to see you get the fuck out of our country I can assure you.

Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

You mean the people who sponsor terrorism there because they're bumflustered they got sent packing? Yeah, they're a reliable source, just like everything else you've sighted.

Wyatt Hernandez
Wyatt Hernandez

Again making false equivalencies. Cuba isn't "a dirt poor country with a high life expectancy", it's a country where the government takes 95% of what people earn under the guise that they know how to spend their money better than the individual. They HAVE money and it's even more centralized than the "1% boogeyman" you faggots are always crying about. Their elite class is even smaller and richer than the US but you'd fucking know that if you'd spent a day there or pulled your head out of your ass long enough to ask an actual Cuban citizen.

It's like you kids enjoy being wrong and clueless all the time, it's amazing really.

Jayden Hernandez
Jayden Hernandez

sighted

Brandon Stewart
Brandon Stewart

I sometimes feel that Yellowstone will be the only cure for you lot.

Angel Hernandez
Angel Hernandez

Lol someone's butthurt because they don't live in the greatest country on earth

Jace Thompson
Jace Thompson

I don't know how much of this is getting through to you (I don't have much faith in the intelligence of someone incapable of even replying to the right person) but the idea that you have control over your life is an illusion. Unless you're a millionaire then maybe. Otherwise you're just another wage slave working to live and your main function in society is to create wealth for your capitalist puppetmasters. Your political system is rigged to the point where it's categorised as a "flawed democracy" [1]/picture, you've pretty much legalised bribery (Citizens United), and your two party system ensures that won't change any time soon.

[1] qz.com/894362/america-has-been-downgraded-to-a-flawed-democracy-but-not-because-of-trump-economist-intelligence-unit-says/

Nolan Rodriguez
Nolan Rodriguez

You're deaf right buddy, why the fuck should I pay for people who CHOOSE not to work? Beyond charity for the sick and elderly, which I believe would be better provided through charity than welfare, I shouldn't pay a dime to keep you housed, clothed, fed. If you aren't a benefit to society then don't be a part of it or die

Bentley Taylor
Bentley Taylor

He's saying your health care is shit BECAUSE it's free, you get what you pay for kinda deal. And I agree, why would I let an incompetent government be in charge of my health? Yeah fucking right

Ian Jones
Ian Jones

Either you work or you own. Better job is just a more prestigious servitude to an owner.

Luke Rivera
Luke Rivera

charity
sorry young family who needed a little help from the food pantry, our faith-based charity help is only for members.
or
sorry old person who lost their home because their investments collapsed (earning a fat bonus for their financial advisor, yay!) no beds left in the shelter, we had to downsize because there were not enough wealthy people brushing their crumbs this way. I hope that snow isn't too cold!

Jose Diaz
Jose Diaz

In theory I agree with you

I was the child of a welfare scrounger. My mother was a net loss to society. I, however, contribute positively to society and am not a drain.

What should happen to children who are born into families of scroungers? If the parents are allowed to die off (which I can see the reasoning for) the child necessarily dies too. Whilst I agree that it's not really your problem, I also can't be advocating for my own death here

Lincoln Campbell
Lincoln Campbell

nurse from NHS cardiff here

whats going on

Joseph Clark
Joseph Clark

But Healthcare has went way up since the ACA went into effect. I could of got insurance for $30 a month before, it's over $100 now. That's ridiculous.
Do you think it would be cheaper if it was fully nationalized? And how or why do you think this? I think once you involve that level of beauracracy costs can only go up. And health care in Canada has been nationalized for a long time, and it blows. My grannie said she would never move back to canada just because their nationalized health care is garbage. She said if you had the flu or something and made an appointment, you wouldn't be seen for over a month

Asher Ramirez
Asher Ramirez

i wouldn't want an incompetent business to look after my healthcare either

Joseph Stewart
Joseph Stewart

You've never been to the states if you think you can simply walk or ride a bike everywhere

Noah Wright
Noah Wright

Why would you support pseudo-private companies who are free to be as incompetent as any government AND have a financial incentive to deny you all care?

"something my granny said, I think, probably. Well, someone's granny said it. That's what the facebook image said"

Meanwhile anyone who actually researches these things finds that Most people are happy-enough with the system and receive great care. And don't go bankrupt trying to pay for chemo. Are there corner cases? of course. Do they spend less per person and get results as good or better than USA? yes.

Camden Morgan
Camden Morgan

This is correct. Now if we could cut entitlement spending, I'd be even more happy. I'm tired of niggers and spics doing nothing productive for society and only leeching off the system.

Jace Hernandez
Jace Hernandez

Careful with that edge, kiddo.

Ayden Lopez
Ayden Lopez

I honestly think without any welfare society would take care of those who we deem deserve it. You might call that wrong but I think it'd work out pretty well. There's a higher rate of homelessness/ beggars than there's ever been in history. So how can people say welfare works?

Of all the people I've known on welfare, very few could not work, most chose not to work and to collect welfar instead. Or better yet the drug dealer living for free in a section 8(free housing) and on cash aid and food stamps. How can people be okay with a system that let's people take advantage of others this way? So I have to work 40+ hours a week so this dude can chill all day, do and sell drugs? And we pay his rent, his food bill, and fund his fun money account. Oh and all that drug money? It's tax free! Keep it son you earned it, no need to pay into the system supporting your lazy ass since birth.

This shit irks me man, and btw I am not anti drug. I think prohibition will never work and will only ever fund people's lives who are too lazy to do real, productive work

Mason Gray
Mason Gray

It's sad when wanting to reform entitlements is considered edgy.

Tyler Cooper
Tyler Cooper

for each one of those scamming drug dealers (thanks for not actually Saying nigger) there are more small families where both parents work and look after their one or two kids in the shitty part of that city you live in.

Lucas Murphy
Lucas Murphy

haha people I don't like should be homeless and starve and not get medical treatment XD also we're on Sup Forums so niggers XD

Matthew Myers
Matthew Myers

almost forgot, also-
So these programs need reform, yes. They need funding to FUNCTION, to have enough case workers to find the drug dealers living high on the hog, etc. Just like the IRS, choking an organization and then complaining it works poorly is foolish.

Jayden Cox
Jayden Cox

Because there is no one homeless or hungry in the US now? That argument is retarded. My mom did use welfare when we needed it, and we still went hungry sometimes. But without welfare you know what my mom would of done? Swallow her pride and move then with her mom. There are always options in life and very rarely does a person end up homeless who didn't put himself there. And this is coming from someone who has lived out of their car.
And call it foolish pride or whatever but I don't want any fucking handout. I'm a man who can make my own in life and I will never need someone to hold my hand. I would honestly rather suffer whatever happens than to need my government to take care of me

Christian Wood
Christian Wood

What is Child Protective Services for 3,000 Alex.

David Rivera
David Rivera

Why must you assume, user? I never said completely get rid of the safety net. I simply said cut entitlement spending. Reduce it. People shouldn't be able to make a comfortable living getting free money from the government. They wouldn't have any incentive to work.

Robert Adams
Robert Adams

We need more entitlements, not less. Universal basic income, nigga. With automation on the rise, we need it. I'm being completely unironic. And we shouldn't act like it's a bad thing, either. People work these days because we have to, not because it necessarily enriches our lives in any way other than financial. For some it does, but for most it doesn't. It's absolutely 100% desirable that we strive for a point where we no longer have to live like this.

Colton Brooks
Colton Brooks

Spot on. I worked in the northeast in a hospital for 5 years and there are TONS of Canadians that will come to America just to have surgery then go back home because even THEY don't trust their nationalized healthcare and know it's shit for anything more serious than a cough or a sprained ankle.

Tyler Hill
Tyler Hill

implying you can provide one logical reason why we should pay for anyone else

Colton Stewart
Colton Stewart

I hope when we don't get more that people like you decide to fuck off and go to Europe where you'll be more happy. Let them give you free shit.

Dominic Long
Dominic Long

I'm tired of niggers and spics doing nothing productive for society and only leeching off the system
Are you honestly trying to tell us that sentence doesn't look edgy as fuck?

Ethan Diaz
Ethan Diaz

If you actually think it's a good thing that your very life depends on working a job, even if it's one that you hate, then you are the ultimate cuck.

Ian Perez
Ian Perez

sure we should strive to be better, but giving people a very unneccessary sense of entitlement in order to better ourselves is not the proper solution.

Michael Thompson
Michael Thompson

us govt pays for like 60% of us health care, so you pay for others and you pay twice! well done

Austin Brooks
Austin Brooks

Oh, sorry. I should have been more equal. Let me amend that sentence by adding white trash along with them. Is that better?

Owen Jackson
Owen Jackson

Companies have an incentive to provide high-quality care to maximize their consumer base in the face of market forces and basic competition. It's their lifeblood and the profit keeps them afloat. BEFORE obamacare there actually WAS healthy competition with an actual market with dozens of providers. Obamacare was what made the monopolies you see today because it specifically outlawed interstate competition.

On the other hand, the government doesn't have to give a shit about quality of care they just pass more legislation and if it's not profitable they just shovel funds from the highway budget or something else to cover the cost. If you actually think the US government is competent vs. a corporation that specializes in ONLY healthcare service, look at the fucking VA and the avalanche of shit that's happened there over the past 10 years. That's the quality of care you get when you nationalize the shit. I honestly don't know how young people could be so fucking stupid they actually think it would be a positive change.

Easton Wood
Easton Wood

Well I know we're on Sup Forums, but tbh if you say "niggers" unironically, you're automatically an edgelord. The rest of the sentence doesn't terribly matter.

Noah Rivera
Noah Rivera


Well why would I choose an incompetent or unfair company to manage my health care? I wouldnt, and I'd be stupid if I did. Health Insurance companies do not make money off of healthy people, so its a loss for the vast majority of healthy people to be insured all their life. So why do you act like coverage is necessary? If I were to get insurance as a healthy individual, I'm paying for all the unhealthy fucks, why would I do that either? I don't think the system works, and while I do believe private coverage is better, I wont need it for a long time

Jayden Brown
Jayden Brown

if you think working for a living and providing for yourself and your family is a good thing, you are the ultimate cuck
lol. I wish people just 20 years ago could read this shit and see how cancerous the youth has become in such a relatively short time.

Ian Bailey
Ian Bailey

fuck your mother.
  niggers

Brody Reed
Brody Reed

Again, who told them to have kids? You're advocating for rewarding people who make terrible life decisions on their own free will. I would be 100% behind providing welfare for these people if it came with the caveat that both parents would be chemically sterilized until they were able to provide for themselves without the help of welfare.

As it stands, welfare incentives people NOT to work. That mom and dad with kids who gets welfare? Yeah, they're working 19 hours each a week instead of 20+ because once you hit 20 hrs a week the free money goes away and they'd actually have to bust their ass like the rest of us. Get fucking real and the only one who said nigger is you, I gotta wonder why you dumb fucks are always the most racist in the bunch when it has nothing to do with race.

Luke Myers
Luke Myers

Are you saying there are far more people using welfare as its intended vs abusing it? Because I don't agree, I think you could kick at least half of the people on the dole off of it and their lives wouldn't suffer. Oh besides having to actually wake up for work

Dominic Phillips
Dominic Phillips

I work too, user, because I have to. But if I could enjoy the same standard of living without having to work, my life would be better in every way. I'll never understand this fetish for hard work and suffering. Work is a means to an end, not an end of its own.

James White
James White

XD

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

And while you sit around on your ass waiting for something like "universal income" that probably won't happen in either of our lifetimes, I'll go crank out some more work, earn a salary, and get ahead living comfortably off of what I've accomplished with my own hands and mind. Everytime I hear this tired "universal income" argument it just looks like a bunch of weebs who aren't confident in their own work ethic, skills, or knowledge base to actually make it on their own. Sad really.

Jaxon Brooks
Jaxon Brooks

Builds character, user. You learn the true value of a dollar when you work for it instead of having it handed to you.

Mason Sullivan
Mason Sullivan

le ebin maymay newfriendo

Ryan Martinez
Ryan Martinez

If you're claiming that you wouldn't love to be paid for not working, and have full ownership of all of your time to do whatever you please, then I just plain don't believe you.

Lincoln Ward
Lincoln Ward

builds character
That's a dank meme you've got there. It's also not an argument.

Ian Wood
Ian Wood

Just because you disagree with it doesn't disqualify it.

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

How about don't live beyond your means? Don't have kids if you can't afford them? Better yourself and strive towards a job that will provide for you? All of that's hard work for these lazy people though, so we reward their laziness with free money. Also It certainly seems like most people abuse welfare. Every person in my little ghetto knows where they can buy liquor with food stamp money, who will trade drugs for food etc. Not to mention the countless times I've seen people swipe their welfare card to use their cash aid on handles of liquor, cartons of cigarettes, junk food, soda, etc. Great use of tax dollars right!

Noah Long
Noah Long

Is this supposed to actually mean anything practical and tangible?

Brandon Lopez
Brandon Lopez

I've had enough of typing long replies. You stupid Americans deserve everything you get. Do you really think you would be that much different from those you hate given the same circumstances?

You Protestant work ethic proponent are going to be so fucked when everything is automated. From where will you derive your self worth without creating wealth for capitalists?

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

Fantastic. Have a nice day.

Grayson Ross
Grayson Ross

And fuck you my grannie said that word for word cunt. Try an actual intelligent argument rather than trying to debase a clearly ANECDOTAL statement. I will agree that probably not every canadian agrees with granny but you're just back pedaling now

Leo Barnes
Leo Barnes

I have full ownership of all of my time today. I made a decision to sign a contract and contribute a fraction of my time to my firm's endeavors in exchange for a comfortable salary. You have the same choice today. Go sit on a curb somewhere if you want, no one's stopping you but no one's going to pay you for being a fucking loaf either.

The reality is if you bend to some "free shit" from the government you really don't have full ownership of your own time and you're stupid to believe you do. Every one of those "free" things you take from the government comes with their rules on how you run your life and which decisions you make. It's never just "free" shit, they come together with more government control of your life and your free will. The salary I'm paid and the position I'm in with a corporation is far more freedom than if the government were to take the reigns. You seriously think these idiots would run shit more efficiently than a corporation that has it's entire livelihood on the line if they make a wrong decision? You're naive as fuck.

Daniel Green
Daniel Green

I'm UK user
The NHS is dying because it's a socialist system.
That and the amount of immigrants is far too fucking high.
In 20 years (if we still are) the NHS wont be around.
We need cheap individual private healthcare but socialized healthcare.

Caleb Richardson
Caleb Richardson

Not him but if I didn't work I'd go fuckin crazy. I need to do productive stuff or else I feel lazy, and that stresses me out. So I wouldn't enjoy handouts

Ayden Anderson
Ayden Anderson

YOU HAVE TO WORK TO SURVIVE. IT HAS BEEN TRUE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE TRUE YOU LAZY CUNT, SO GET OVER IT

Aiden Martin
Aiden Martin

I've already said more than once that I work, faggot. If money were not a scarce resource for you, would you have made that same decision? I wouldn't, and if you say that you wouldn't, you're one of two things - a liar, or a supreme cuck. Again, I work full time, and have for over 15 years. I've also never gotten a penny in government support. But let's STOP fucking pretending that it somehow makes us better people.

Jace Hernandez
Jace Hernandez

Who said anything about hating anyone? It's a simple conversation. It's you naive commie-wannabes that always have to fall back on the "-phobic" "hate" "racist" rhetoric when you can't provide a logical response to the positions you claim to have. I've asked no less than 3 times in this thread the most simple fucking question, why should anyone feel obligated to pay for someone else's they don't even know when that stranger's health problems/lot in life is more often than not a consequence of the stranger's bad choices? You can't answer it. It's like you kids have no idea what personal accountability even means or you just choose to ignore it and shout "give me free stuff because I deserve it for no reason whatsoever!" It doesn't make sense at all.

Jason Ross
Jason Ross

Does something have to be tangible in order to be valuable?

Logan Hernandez
Logan Hernandez

I don't hate anyone, but I know that I've earned everything I've ever had in this life, and I don't deserve anything more. No one deserves anything more than they are willing to earn.

And protestant? Lol I don't think you've ever been to the states

Matthew Torres
Matthew Torres

What happens to the innocent children of the scroungers?

Benjamin Brooks
Benjamin Brooks

You can consider anything valuable that you like, because that's subjective, but it doesn't really carry weight in an argument about how life should be for everyone.

Kevin Reyes
Kevin Reyes

If you work only for the sole purpose of making "x" amount of dollars (which is what you're arguing) and legitimately hate your job and find no purpose from what you do every day, then it sounds to me like the only cuck here is you. I genuinely enjoy the work I do and would probably continue work on more than a hobby-level if I had the funds to not work at all. Don't project your loathing for your own pitiful job on me pal. I also didn't say you received welfare. If you honestly feel no reward whatsoever from the work you do aside from getting a paycheck then I guess I can understand why a dipshit like you would be praying for something like universal income to take you away from your shit life. Have fun with that.

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

I am better than someone who chooses not to work with their hand out. They have no pride or self respect, so they don't deserve any recognition or respect either. Why would a person who is a drain on everyone around him be equal to one who lifts up everyone around?

Isaiah Torres
Isaiah Torres

Well it does make us better people. If you had everything handed to you in life, you'd be a spoiled brat. But you don't, so you know that you can't expect handouts from anyone, and thus, you become self sufficient. I hope I'm making my point clear

Jayden Lewis
Jayden Lewis

Yes, it does. It's quite literally an opinion, just like what you have. You can agree with it or disagree with it all you want, but that doesn't make it less valid simply because you don't agree with it.

Gabriel Wright
Gabriel Wright

Stop with the "what about the children?" argument. Literally every lying politician in history has used that as an argument. As it stands, there are government programs like CPS that can take those kids away and provide for their upbringing without a problem. If you're going to argue that CPS (A government program that looks after the well-being of kids) isn't good enough for children then how the fuck can you argue that the government being in control of everyone's healthcare would work? It's got to be one or the other. The government can't be smart enough to handle one but not the other.

Benjamin Hall
Benjamin Hall

I'm talking about a future where most production is automated. If we achieve a level of technology where most of society runs itself without needing a human hand, that's different from now. I would never sponge off of welfare the way that things are now, because I don't need to, and there are others who legitimately do. Also yes, I do hate my job, but I'm also back in school to get a better career. I accept the world that we live in. My point here is that it would be a better world if we evolved beyond every person NEEDING to work.

Bentley Cox
Bentley Cox

Sounds like you need a job you enjoy bud. Even if everything in life were free I would still be making shit with my own two hands and working like I do every weekday, because I enjoy being productive. I enjoy making something I'm proud of and I like to enjoy enjoying my nice things ive made for myself.

Why does anyone garden? Surely it's not for the enjoyment it must only be for the food we need to survive right? Why does anyone bicycle? We don't need bicycles to survive! Life is not "surviving", it is living. So make, create, do whatever it is that makes you happy and then find a way that it can provide for you so you don't have to wish for your NEETbucks anymore.

Btw does anyone else think how east homeless people have it? If I was really shit out of luck I'd just go be a hermit somewhere and live off the land. As long as I could still get books to read I wouldn't miss much other than central heat and air in the winter and summer

Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

Personal responsibility doesn't exist in most these days :(

Charles Bailey
Charles Bailey

We already have enough freeloaders and lazy bums leeching off our welfare system. We also have people who unashamedly collect welfare and laugh and scoff at those who pay their income.

So you think we're assholes because Martha who works +60 hours a week doesn't want to pay for Daves insulin because the fat fuck ate himself diabetic? Or for a new heart for a hobo? Or pain medication for someone who has nothing medically wrong, but has really good insurance?

This is why Europe and every other nation with socialized medicine is failing. It benefits only those who don't or won't work for it.

But then again, who in Europe needs to work? I mean, ISIS basically has you guys under sharia law now, so you're completely free to be like the filthy mudslimes you more than likely worship.

Caleb Powell
Caleb Powell

If
if
IF

Keep up that creative writing, maybe it'll be worth something one day long after we're all dead.

Jason Anderson
Jason Anderson

Well to be quite honest with you family, I do have a long history of depression and that is probably at play here. Like I said above, I'm back in school and I hope to enjoy life better because of it, but I just can't even wrap my head around the idea that NOT having daily work be a necessity to live comfortably could be a bad thing, for anybody.

James Perry
James Perry

This was just a really awful post. Economists are talking about automation and its ramifications a lot lately though man, and universal income is no small part of that conversation. I'm not talking fucking Star Trek here.

Cooper Kelly
Cooper Kelly

I've already said that I believe communities would provide their own charity that would probably be better than anything we have now. But the thing is that we don't need a huge community outreach right now because there really are not that many people who need welfare or charity.

Also life isn't fair, it sucks their parents are retarded and hopefully they wisen up. But they're are plenty of people born with nothing who survive just fine. Society is better off without people who can't provide for themselves, and it's harsh but yes children included.

Mason Davis
Mason Davis

And while you're hanging out hoping for something that doesn't exist you're probably the same type to unironically shit on churchfags for doing the same thing and thinking you're smart. Think about that for a minute.

Jonathan Perry
Jonathan Perry

But there will always be jobs that you can't replace with a machine. My job in fact, there is no way a machine will ever be able to do what I do day in and day out.
And also you could say what if what if what if forever. What if the streets were made of gold! We'd all be filthy rich! What if everything in life you ever needed was right on front of you? What if!? And you literally never stated your point at all before that soo

Oliver Jenkins
Oliver Jenkins

Lol I'm not "hanging out hoping", I'm living my life like anyone else. I just think it's fucking miserable.

Nolan Morales
Nolan Morales

Well at least we hav the option of private health care too. We don't go bankrupt because we break a leg Yank

Carson Jackson
Carson Jackson

Depression has shit to do with it! Never use depression as an excuse for anything, you're only enabling yourself to be shitty and depressed. I've dealt with it my whole life too, and not everyone experiences is like we do, or at all so it feels unfair. But the absolute worst thing to do for depression is nothing! I guarantee you that if you took away everyone's jobs today there would be millions more depressed peopke very soon. Humans are meant to create, explore, contemplate, but do something that feels productive. I know that if you told me I could no longer make things with my hands I would be depressed. The satisfaction with me knowing that I do good work, and I prove it with my finished product, is better than most any other form of self satisfaction

Parker Peterson
Parker Peterson

I'm sure a bullet to the brain would be more effective than some lousy universal income if you really need a change of pace.

Jaxon Rodriguez
Jaxon Rodriguez

This was just a really great post, and I wanted to let you know because not everyone believes a utopia is possible. That is my biggest problem with liberal logic. Things will never be perfect in any government, not everyone will always be satisfied and liberals can't handle that

Luis Murphy
Luis Murphy

And no one in the US goes bankrupt because they break a leg either so what the fuck are you even trying to say? A cast here is about $400. If you're going bankrupt for anything less than a grand, you've made some shit-tier life choices that don't have anything to do with the price of health insurance.

Evan Diaz
Evan Diaz

I don't to be the government's problem, or government"s anything.
That's what the fucking lefties don't understand.

Justin Hall
Justin Hall

We've already evolved past every person NEEDING to work. You faggots don't even know what you believe or why you believe it. That "evil 1%" of rich people you're always crying about? They don't need to work, so we've already achieved the utopia you're dreaming of according to your logic.

Just say what you mean "I won't be happy or think anything's fair until other people give me their shit so I don't have to work because I feel entitled to it."

This is why no one can stand being around people with this train of thought. It's cancer as fuck.

Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

I don't to be the government's problem, or government"s anything.
That's what the fucking alt right doesn't understand.

Eli Rogers
Eli Rogers

This post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever when it's the left who are in favor of people conforming to the "tribe" (big government) and making that "tribe" bigger and more intrusive at every turn. How fucking stupid are you precisely? You're using Nietzsche to argue against your own position.

Kek goddamn kids are stupid these days

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

How did you get past your depression?
I live in a whole city of liberals who are fine being around each other, senpai. You're way too buttblasted by that suggestion that life would be great if everyone had neetbux.
Wanna help me out with that? I've never been able to make myself pull the trigger.

Jaxson Wright
Jaxson Wright

do you even realize how stupid you just made yourself look?

Charles Ortiz
Charles Ortiz

I was just pointing out we can access the same private health care as you but we can go to ER for anything free, meds all free. People don't get refused emergency treatment for any reason, unlike the US where the first thing they do is check your insurance. And it may be only 400 bones for a cast but what about x-ray, treatment costs, plus pain meds and maybe an ambulance ride? It's a shit system you have where the poor suffer and people don't even go to the hospital when they need to because they can't. Most people that graft the nine to five don't have $1000 spare very often

Matthew Lewis
Matthew Lewis

I'm not "ass-blasted" at all, you're just corny and wrong. Simple really.

Bentley Williams
Bentley Williams

It wasn't an argument, it was a genuine enquiry. As someone who was the child of a welfare scrounger, I wanted to know what would have happened to me under your plans. As long as it's not 'Tough luck kid you have to die since you were unfortunate enough to be born to someone who can't take care of you' then I'm cool

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

Humans are meant to create, explore, contemplate, but do something that feels productive.
And yet most jobs are none of these things. Most jobs you do not actually get to see the finished product, you are just one part of the process and are alienated from the products of your labour.

Ryan Brown
Ryan Brown

Clearly you don't know shit about US healthcare because it's illegal for anyone to be turned away from the Emergency Room here as well regardless of their ability to pay.

but what about what about...
Yeah and what if the cast was made out of silver or some shit right? Just keep tacking on shit when you're proven factually wrong until it makes sense to you, right? I broke my leg 3 years ago, cost just over $800 with everything you listed, pain meds were another $60. Again, if you're working full time and don't have $1,000 saved up you've made shit-tier decisions in life (likely a series of them) and that's no one's fault but your own so you shouldn't expect anyone else to open their wallet to you for being a dumbass at life.

Ayden Richardson
Ayden Richardson

Nice trips, nigga.

John Hughes
John Hughes

Really...our society is shit because we don't give undeserving leeches with 10 kids more free shit.

Angel Davis
Angel Davis

Bump

Eli Wilson
Eli Wilson

It's not greed because the other people have more. It isn't that hard.

Colton Rodriguez
Colton Rodriguez

see

Bentley Martin
Bentley Martin

My fair share is 1/X, where X = the number of people. Just because you have a meme of this Uncle Tom of yours doesn't change that.

Austin Watson
Austin Watson

Why is it the commie-wannabe lefties that always cry "Racist!" when in reality it's they who are the most racist faggots in the room? Fucking hypocrites to the core. Get out of my country.

Isaac Moore
Isaac Moore

That "uncle tom" is the leading professor of Economics at Cornell and likely has lifetimes more education than you'll ever have. By all means, keep your head in the sand like every leftist dipshit who can't face reality. Just makes you look like a complete idiot at the end of the day.

Austin Taylor
Austin Taylor

true.

Jayden Phillips
Jayden Phillips

youtube.com/watch?v=0k4pXwmis7A

Hunter Thompson
Hunter Thompson

You can be a commie and a racist. No rules against it.

Eli Powell
Eli Powell

I didn't say it was impossible, I just don't know how they come to terms with their overt hypocrisy when the race card is the first thing they pull in a conversation every time yet the people they're conversing with are supposed to be the "bigoted racists" every. single. time.

Wyatt Cook
Wyatt Cook

Too much truth for one thread

wew

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