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General addiction thread

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it's not a question of agreeing or disagreeing. she's straight up fucking wrong in the first sentence

it would have made sense if she'd said "taking drugs is a choce, addiction isn't"

I know she's wrong. I just didn't want to put my opinion on it in the original post.

t. someone who's never been in the position they berate

Drug addiction is a disease you give yourself on purpose.

You're a fucking moron

hes not wrong

so someone who isnt stupid enough to cause themselves a problem cant talk about the problem?

He's*

nigga

And you don't give it to yourself on purpose. You're just trying to be "kewl" and edgy so internet strangers will think you're bad ass.

By definition it's not a disease, and yes it\s a choice to take hard drugs, but sometimes a little sympathy for addicts goes a long way. They shouldn't be shunned.

Addiction is not a choice, your addicted to those drugs before you take them. You're predisposed to be addicted if you take those drugs so addiction is not a choice buy acting upon those addictions is. Doing cocaine is a choice being addicted is not

Well, science has shown that some people (or peoples) are more neurologically wired towards having addictive tendencies, like native Americans and alcohol for example, or one of my friends families and gambling.

That being said, drugs are awesome, and I would strongly recommend doing them.

life problems aren't exclusively the result of stupidity

It's a bit all over the place, but I guess the bottom line is that drug addiction isn't a disease, which is correct.
Just like obesity.

I completely agree about the drugs. Care nothing about the America part as I'm not one.

I don't totally agree with you but that obesity part made me laugh.

I wish I wasn't an American.

Right, life problems arent.

But choosing problems are a fucking choice.

Life just happens, weather a tree falls in your house, you get on a wreck that is not by your fault. You having an accident or someone in your family dying.

Making conscious decisions that lead you to problems is your choice.

Saying someone is an "addict" is simply a ploy to dodge culpability.

Saying someone is a fiend is far more accurate.

You're probably the type of person who tries to justify pedophilia as well.

People who have addictions have them because they have major mental issues. It's not a disease, but it's more than "not enough willpower". They need to address the issues that lead to the addictions. 9 out of 10 times a competent psychologist is needed.

That isn't an opinion, but a fact. She's absolutely objectively wrong.

I agree. I don't know what kind of idiots get hooked on drugs. I have smoked heroin every weekend for some months, and I'm not remotely addicted to it. It's an ok high, but I actually prefer weed. People who have addictive personalities just need to lay off the hard stuff.

wrong.

>taking drugs is a choice
>becoming addicted isn't a choice
>that's what a fucking addiction is

however, this only applies to chemical addictions. addiction to things that aren't chemical are your own fault. to be fair, addiction in general is the users fault. it's not a choice, but that person is still at fault.

I'm not saying that an addict is without blame. Yeah they chose to take the drug. And like you said chemical addiction is real. People who say that addiction itself is just low will power are just dumb.

I have had pedophobia since I myself was a child.

Being an insufferable cunt is a choice, too. But you don't see me whining about it on Facebook.

Dude, read a fucking book. You sound literally retarded.

A long time ago I would have agreed. I definitely have made some bad decisions that have led to where I am now. I really want to stop. It's killing me.

also take into account personality type. some people have an addictive personality and some people don't.

Yeah... it's far beyond will power. After awhile will power has nothing to do with it

clearly, you speak from personal experience

Unfortunately. The shame and guilt and fear is constant and overwhelming.

So many people in this thread trying to escape responsibility for their life choices, sad.

Functional alcoholic here. Yes it is a fucking choice. And it is a matter will power. I choose to drink a pint and a half of vodka a night. Do I want to? No. Do I like the buzz? Yes. So now it's a matter of physical addiction. If I want to quit I know how. Wean down. If I'm going to completely quit. Swear it off make amends with people I've hurt. And never drink again. It's not any different with drugs

addicted to smoking and drinking and have accepted the fact that I'm a total piece of shit waste of food and people like me should be used for fertilizer. I get it.

I said that people saying it has to do with will power we're wrong so ok? I'm an addict that's still in early recovery

Not him, but to illustrate; imagine you have to do 50 pushups several times a day for 2 weeks, and at random times after the 2 weeks, but you can stop anytime you want. You know logically that this will benefit you, but how likely is it you can pull through the entire thing? When you are addicted, not returning to the substance is a constant thing, it's always on your mind. Yes willpower can get you through it but the hard part is maintaining your willpower consistently at its peak throughout weeks of cravings.

I'm functioning as well. However besides work, the entirety of my free time is spent drinking or recovering from drinking. Usual session is about twelve beers or more.

I know... I was agreeing with your post, not questioning it or arguing. Congratulations on your sobriety too. I hope I can gather the courage and take that first step.. again. For the third time in my life.
God I've fucked myself up.

Sometimes it isn't a choice. A buddy of mine got hit by a drunk driver. Totalled his car and really fucked up his legs, broke am arm, and cracked a few ribs. Of course, they had to put him on oxycotin while he healed. And fuck, I have been on some lighter ones than he did and I can see how people can get addicted. Sadly, he got pretty hooked on them for a while. Even went to jail for forging a prescription. Only now is he recovering from it.

Addicts are people too.

While I do believe that addiction is a psychological disorder, the circumstances leading to it are generally choices made by the addict. I'm not personally prone to physical drug addiction, they generally don't do much for me, and I can use and then stop for very extensive periods without craving or much withdrawal. Gambling though, I can't go into a casino or I will be out all of my money within a couple hours. If I go into a gas station and there's someone buying scratch offs, I will probably spend all my cash on tickets instead of gas or groceries. I am getting better, but I feel so weak.

Alcoholic here,

This very much so. I can go the whole week without drinking or even thinking about drinking. The moment the commute and some shit going wrong with the car or other shit stresses me out? Instantly want alcohol.

I'll be driving home on a Friday afternoon fighting with myself about drinking. I always lose and end up drinking. Being tired on top of that usually makes for a sloppy regrettable time, yet I repeat this fucking cycle on a weekly basis. It's insanity.

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I see it as a disease in that it will get worse if not treated.

t. recovering alcoholic

This is definitely problem drinking but you'd be absolutely shocked at the amount of people who do the exact same thing and don't even think for a moment that they might have an issue. Alcoholism and addiction is such a tricky bitch. It keeps you in denial. Good for you for recognizing it at the very least user.

I would say that addiction born out of ignorance rather than deliberation. When an addict tried a drug for the first time, they didn't know what would happen. They were just stupid enough to think that basic biological principles wouldn't apply to their body.

I don't agree that addiction is a choice, but I have no respect for anyone who gets hooked on drugs nonetheless.

You're right when you say that often addicts are genetically predisposed to general addiction, but I wasn't born a heroin addict. It was whatever substance I happened to put in my body the most and unfortunately opiates and alcohol happen to be those for me.

Thanks user. Yeah I realize it for sure. It's obviously impacting my life. I never go on dates or do normal shit normal people do. I sit on the computer and get drunk alone. It's already caused stomach ulcers.

Feel like there's some self-medicating factor to my alcohol consumption, as well.

Do you think the doctor was at fault for giving him too large of a prescription or it was just an unfortunate reaction between his body and the drug?

As an ex addict she is a fucktard.

I understand. Everything I do is planned around pills and alcohol as well. I'm afraid to even know the damage I've done to myself physically. Psychologically I'm in ruin. The guilt is so bad I just want to reach out to the nearest person and tell them everything. But at the same time I don't want anything to get in the way of my addiction.

She's running her mouth about shit for no other reason than to say "look, I have an opinion! I'm important!".

The tough love thing is absolutely right though. The world needs more of that.

>The guilt is so bad I just want to reach out to the nearest person and tell them everything. But at the same time I don't want anything to get in the way of my addiction.
See a therapist; that's what they're there for. You don't have to go through it alone, and you've already made the first step by recognizing the problem.

It's the drug. The power that opiates have over the human mind is incredible. They can bring even the strongest, bravest men to their knees. I've seen it many times and experienced it, even though I'm far from being the strongest or bravest. Unfortunately though, someone who ends up in that kind of an accident is going to need severe pain management and opioids are the most effective form of treatment for those kinds of intensive injuries.

I miss Valium

I feel ya. More of a Klonopin kinda guy as far as benzos go but I'd take the shit out of some Valium.

Only about 10% of people who try any given drug, including cocaine, heroin, and alcohol, actually become addicted to it. These people have the genetic predisposition to addiction, which is heavily based in science over decades of research. While the initial choice to try alcohol or a drug is indeed a choice, becoming addicted to said drug/alcohol is not.

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing - her opinion is factually incorrect.

Addiction is called disease to justify relapses. And also to big Pharma can prescribe methadone or suboxin to keep them feeling good and make them a customer for life. To get off pills or dope, I took Kratom an all natural herb now in the process of becoming illegal because of big pharma not liking some leaf is cutting into their busness. Big pharm is what u should be talking about. Not the people who get addicted and then stay addicted while pharma makes them think they are getting better when they are not. If u do dope or oxy you will withdrawal .... If you get prescribed methadone or subox, you will withdrawal. If you take kratom for a month you WILL NOT WITHDRAWAL.

Doc got me so hooked on them to deal with booze withdrawal. After he cut me off I went on a two year bender.

The Norris here will never know

That's what everyone says initially. After several years it's not quite as awesome.

Though, I suppose if you manage to remain solely an occasional recreational user, then perhaps you could still consider them awesome. It's just incredibly unlikely for that to happen. Also, if you have any alcoholism or addiction in your family, you shouldn't try them.

Sorry about your friend. It's interesting to me because I was put on oxy earlier this year for a couple weeks, and never really felt any craving or understood why people would get addicted to it, although I've always heard how nasty they can be.

Kratom is a miracle for sure but man from experience my habit has gotten so bad sometimes that kratom wouldn't touch it.

Normies*

these things illustrate the fact human beings are basicaly biomechanoids that dont come with a conscious unified self by default

people base a fuckton of assumptions and presuppositions on the idea humans normaly 'chose' this or that

but thats wrong, that implyes a level of integration and development that most adults dont reach let alone teens or kids

Right there with you, user. I can't look at my stool because it's strained with blood and I know it. I don't care about myself enough to let that be the reason to stop.

I am completely mentally deranged at this point. Psychically broken. Drink because unhappiness and unhappy because of drinking. I HATE that fucking guilt feeling.

Hope the best for you, user. Hopefully we both end up getting the help we need.

Oh I wasn't even the poster talking about his friend. I'm just an addict chiming in. You're lucky. A lot of people don't get bit by the opiate bug and don't see what the big deal is, can take a few percocets and then when the pain goes away just forget about the bottle and leave them alone. Those of us who have that magical "a ha!" Moment with opiates, it's the only thing we want to feel for the rest of our lives. I never want to leave that state when I'm in it. And when it goes away I'm lonely and scared again. Oxycodone, heroin, it doesn't matte. They make me feel like superman. My house could burn down around me and I wouldn't even care as long as I'm high.

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This is a pretty good video explaining the real issue of drug addiction.

disagree because in societies where they changed their stance on drugs the using went down.

I will keep you in my thoughts man. I know exactly what you mean. I use because I'm unhappy and I'm more unhappy because of my use. I think that people like us can come out on the other end alright. It's for sure life experience that normies will never know or understand.

>Oxycodone, heroin, it doesn't matte.
Have you tried Krylon?

Disagree solely because of normalfag statement at beginning

>A lot of people don't get bit by the opiate bug and don't see what the big deal is, can take a few percocets and then when the pain goes away just forget about the bottle and leave them alone. Those of us who have that magical "a ha!" Moment with opiates, it's the only thing we want to feel for the rest of our lives.

This is what people don't ounderstand about addiction - and you can replace "opiate" with literally any addictive drug. If the brain is receptive to it via genetic predisposition, you will become addicted to it. It is a disease by definition. There are dozens if not hundreds of peer reviewed scientific studies backing this up. It's not an opinion.

t. therapistfag, LCSW, CAADC

>krylon
Like, spray paint? No, no I haven't. I don't think it would help much with my opiate cravings, user.

You should add that they shouldn't be afraid to see another therapist if they don't like the one they go to initially. Not all therapists are the same. Even if they're qualified, it doesn't mean they're good at what they do. You should be prepared to try seeing a different therapist if things don't work out with your current one.

A lot of people try it once and quit because their therapist is a bad fit.

I'm not as deep as you but I was taking pills daily for 3 years and in November I weened myself off now I'm to the point where I take them 3 days a week.

as long as I know I can go a day without them I'm not worried if I never get them again.

*your

I have been taking oxy for 10 years. After ten years I took my first shot of heroin. I crashed in 8 months. I OD 2 time. 2 second tom my son found me and got help. Yeah just like the guy in shameless. No joke. They put me on subs and I told them I don't want 18mg a day just give me 2mg. Doc looked at me like I was crazy. Took my subs for a month but would stretch the scrip by skipping doses by one or 2 days. I weined myself off that shit and smoked a ton of weed. I dont like the high from weed but it would make withdrawal tolerable . I stopped smoking weed when the packers lost in the playoffs. Now I'm all good kinda. KRATOM is the key to this type of addiction and its cheap an OZ of powder is 12 bucks and that's about 10 doses ... Make some tea and your straite. But dumb ass wisconsin made kratom illegal because of that fake weed shit k2 (the devil) and bath salts in some synthetic drug bill. Only thing is kratom is not synthetic its a fucking herb. They ever compaired it to fucking bath salts. Fucking dumb asses. Sorry for my language but I get heated when there are SAFER MORE EFFECTIVE WAYs to fight addiction but PHARMA wants to cuck block them all for their wallets to get fat.

probably a troll but YOU'RE a fucking retard.

Circumstance. Some people will be born into safe guarded community who ward off drugs and keep there children safe. others will grow up in poverty stricken places, shit parents and be way more susceptible to the influence of narcotic. But hey lets take sociological advice from a fucking preteen on Facebook

It's a hard knock life. I'd say we'll come out much tougher and with the ability to survive in the end. Gotta take some pride in that.

How long you been on heroin? Me-almost 20 years. Still love it.

Hey man good for you. I mean you also have to understand that there is a difference between maybe having a drug problem, and being a full blown addict.

Opiates in general about 7 years. Heroin on and off throughout that time. Whatever I can get my hands on. Round here oxy and dilaudid are king.

Not a troll, just thought with the context of what was being said it might spawn a chuckle or two. But it went from me chuckling at the thought of a few others having a chuckle to me outright laughing at you, you fucking wiener

Glad you're doing better, user. Your anger is understandable.

I have a joint in my pocket when I walk around to light up and blow in the face of people walk up and say shit like this

Start sentences with a capital letter

OMG lyk THIS so MUCH you guys

Yeah they illegalized the active alkaloids in kratom. Kratom is so benign and so helpful and gentle. It's really a shame that it's banned where you live. It could save so many lives. And it has. It's pulled me out a few times but I always go back because, well, I'm a stupid junkie. Not the Kratoms fault. It helped as much as it could. I was just stupid and didn't follow through with my commitment to sobriety.

Being a fatass is a choice. It is not a disease. Before you stuck that saturated fat in your arteries or popped those cupcakes in your mouth you were not a fatass. You created a habit that became habitual and now you're dependent on the sugar. Morbid obesity is a choice, allowing fatties to believe it's a disease only enables them and gives them an excuse to feel sorry for themselves and continue doing what they're doing. You don't have a disease, you have a weak mind. You have no self control, all you have is your food. I don't feel a bit sorry for any of you. Tough love is going to make America great again.

/thread

And using also went down in countries like Cambodia and the Phillipines when anyone caught with drugs got shot in the head. Correlation does not equal causation. Hippie faggot.

Addiction is for pussies and gays
just have a big snort bitch

This.

Thank you its just fucked up. I went to drug court and they suggested I go to therapy, i told them why its only 20% effective, then I said can I take ibogaine it has an 80% success rate and it a one time flood dose. They didnt even know what it was. I ended up getting kicked out because my drops would be positive for thc and I would justify it by telling them I don't even like the high it give me but I dont want to be addicted to methadone and subs. I asked them do u want me keep being an addict if I take subs or methadone? Do u have any idea what this shit really is? Its a pay check for pharmacy! that's not progress its just supplementing. Ur not changing shit by suggesting people take these drugs

Then leave faggot, its getting crowded anyways.

Man I get your frustration but I'm about to slap on the ol liquid handcuffs myself. I guess I'm okay with substituting methadone for all of the other shit I put in my body. As long as it's something and keeps me out of trouble legally.