Why does Spain care about Gibraltar? Isn't it just a small city that makes its money via tourism...

Why does Spain care about Gibraltar? Isn't it just a small city that makes its money via tourism? What's the point of antagonizing Britain over it?

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Why does Britain care about Gibraltar?

Tax heaven shithole for companies which don't pay taxes in Spain. Isn't that enough?

The Brits voted Brexit so Spain has to put a frontier with Gibraltar and apply the regular border patrol conventions.The people in Gibraltar just want special treatment and are calling this an agression for whatever reason

The very reason Gibraltar even exist is to control the inlet to the Mediterranean sea, which is at its narrowest thereabouts (you can literally see africa on clear days).

Anglo butthurt hasn't been reasonable ever.

You're obsessed with us lad

Not really.

Ok continue posting about how much you hate Anglos lad

One post is obsessing? You are more obsessed with me than I am about anglos lmao.

Shut the fuck up

Would you like if someone took Miami or something from you?

>that makes its money via tourism

>UK
>We want border control! Brexit! UK out of the EU!

>Spain
>Ok
>*prepares to put our border with the UK in Gibraltar*

>UK
>HOLY SHIT WHAT'S THIS AGGRESSION
>I'M GOING INTO WAR

>paying taxes
>good thing
kys, montoro

EU will wreck UK. EU stronk!

>that makes its money via tourism

How does it make money? Tax havens? Because it's not the only one in Europe.

dindu nuffin: the post

I can guarantee if spain owned a small chunk of the english coast, and used it to exert influence over the english channel, brits would not care about some 300 year old treaty or the spanish majority within, they'd want it back

80 000 bussiness in a town with 30 000 citizens.
More than enough for them I guess.

i am sure this is exactly what happened Jose

why doesn't Spain just level that useless rock with artillery?

He's right though. Gibraltar has open borders because they're on the EU. No EU means controlled borders just like the borders of Ceuta and Melilla with Morocco.

Gibraltar is complaining because they want open borders and leave at the same time.

It hasn't happened yet you dumb roach.If the UK doesn't want VISA free access for EU members we have to enforce the standard border policy in Gibraltar which would destroy their economy

how were things before the EU?

>the standard border policy
hahahahahahahahahaha
that's why gibraltar has it so much better than andorra at the moment right?

tbf gibraltar voted overwhelmingly to stay

Britain flipped around the narrative. Spain is just following international law while Britain wants super-special snowflake treatment which lets them use Spain's roads despite not being in the EU.

>The very reason Gibraltar even exist is to control the inlet to the Mediterranean sea, which is at its narrowest thereabouts (you can literally see africa on clear days).

This.

I read we have a military personnel there, but I looked on google maps and the place is so small I don't even know where you would put them.

I guess we can have a warship stop there and pick up some potatoes in an emergency or something? Not like we're going to be invading Libya from a primary school and sainsbury's carpark

It depended on the policy of each government, but the normal thing was having the police controlling the movement of people and traffic and asking them for a visa

Just like Scotland, and see what happens. I don't understand why we're suddenly so evil when we're just enforcing the law.

That's funny, we have a regiment of artillery a 100km away from gibraltar

cnbc.com/2017/04/01/eu-offers-spain-veto-right-over-gibraltar-after-brexit-talks.html

why do people keep saying its about a border?

no I mean how were things between Spain-Gibraltar before the EU and open borders

why are brits so scared of going back

Gibraltar is a tax haven.

> 95% against brexit with 88% turnout
It's cute how the UK says it's doing all this saber rattling in Gibraltar's interests.

Closed borders, they had to get their food, water etc... by ship, which made things more expensive. They also started working as a Tax Heaven and nowadays there are around 80 000 bussiness registered in a town with 30 000 citizens.

>Spain is just following international law while Britain wants super-special snowflake treatment which lets them use Spain's roads despite not being in the EU.
Haven't heard about this, can you give me a quick rundown Sven?

I don't think it was good. It was basically besieged.
Which is why it's so funny seeing the mental gymnastics from the Spanairds going back to it in current year like it's normal behavior.

Spaniards are literally saying that in every thread about the topic in this board. Are you kidding.

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I'm starting to believe british posters are legit retarded.

Andorra is in the schengen zone.Gibraltar relied on the EU membership to have no border control.Now the average llanito will need to spend 6 hours a day crossing a border because a drunk briton pushed Brexit

>80 000 bussiness registered in a town with 30 000 citizens
Fucking ayy.

To be fair, 48% of Brits were against Brexit. They're banking on Britain pulling out in the last minute after their dumbass government enforces more dumbass laws like internet censorship.

the media over here aren't flipping out over the border controls, it's more about how the EU is ostensibly now seeing the status of gibraltar as negotiable.

maybe gibraltar's flipping out over borders, which is tough shit imo, but no-one's really reporting on the border on the british mainland.

We will.

We're just coordinating the strike with Argentina, France, Venezuela, Guatemala, India, Ireland and some other lads that might join up for the gangbang.

Didn't Spain enforce border controls on Gibraltar anyway?

I seem to remember them "accidentally" letting the border crossing be undermanned so big tailbacks and delays built up when they wanted something from us.

Now it's "muh open border better annex Gibraltar"

oh I see, not a big deal really, if living on that rock is so hard they can go back to mama Britain

you brought this whole situation on yourself tbf, no one forced you to annex that piece of land and import your people on it

>what is Andorra
there's precident within your own country to have normalised borders with a non-EU state.
Aren't passports and stuff already checked? What does talking about closing it off entirely like it's North Korea or something actually achieve? The only people who will suffer are the Llanitos and Andalusians.

Of course not, that would make us not look that bad, and that isn't good for your government. They need to keep you distracted with things like these.

>Gibraltarians are British citizens but they run their own affairs under a chief minister
>The territory is self-governing in all matters - including taxation - except foreign policy and defence, which are dealt with by the UK government

reminder that it has nothing to do with britain and spain and everything to do with the right to self determination

>Didn't Spain enforce border controls on Gibraltar anyway
Before EU

I don't go in Sup Forums much. I only really came here yesterday to escape the ponyfaggotry on Sup Forums. Can someone pls either give an explanation as to who is in the right here or point me to a source?

Yeah that makes sense, but as I said aren't passports already checked at the border there since we're not?

History is history. I think most English would take back Northern Ireland in a heartbeat if they could.

Open borders with EU countries like
> Spain and France
> Hungary and Austria
> Poland and Germany
and border controls with non-EU countries like
> Bulgaria and Turkey
> Hungary and Serbia
> Poland and Russia
is normal behaviour. I hate our government but what they are doing is basically following the law. Gibraltar voted 99% remain because they foresaw this.

It's not like brexit helps Spaniards either, all those Andalusians who go work in Gibraltar every day are screwed by the new statu quo.

A Wall standing.

One that should have never been torn down. But EU demanded it...

You could work out a special deal like we have with Norway.

ofc might be hard since you hate the British.

It has everything to do with living in a 19th century imperial wank fantasy as evidenced by recent tabloid articles and the rights of the gibralterians (?) are just a rhetorical smokescreen, same with the falklands and northern ireland.

But I wasn't alive before the EU and I remember reading the articles about it

Those borders you've described are fine.
I got the impression the rhertoric was more along the lines of Franco and just shutting the rock off completely.

>what is Andorra
A Schegen country.One of the reasons for Brexit was to oppose free access from people from the Schegen to begin with.You Brits are fucking retarded demanding border control for your country but flipping out when it is applied to you
>but as I said aren't passports already checked at the border there since we're not?
Nope.With your ID was enough.If the standard border policy is applied the traffic jams in the border are going to be ridicoulus as most people in Gibraltar don't live there in the first place

Have you seen their /brit/ general? Retarded is a nice way to put it.

>Gibraltar is a tax haven that benefits a lot from being in the EU, because they have open borders with Spain
>They voted no to the brexit but UK is indeed forcing the brexit
>Spain said that once the brexit happens Gibraltar, as a non-EU territory, will have controlled borders with Spain just like Spain has in the Moroccan border of Ceuta and Melilla, which is the normal thing for every country that has no treaty of these characteristics with a neighbour country
>Gibraltar cries because they want to keep the open borders while following the UK in the brexit
>Somehow we're the bad guys

dunno what you're on about paddy we're talking about gibraltar here wanting to remain in the EU but wanting to remain a part of britain first
stop being so pathetic

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/brit/ is seriously the most autistic place on the interne

literally more irrational than britpol and somehow more pathetic than britfeel

I wouldn't expect a shit for brains lower class brit to understand much of anything

>you brought this whole situation on yourself tbf, no one forced you to annex that piece of land and import your people on it
fucking clueless
it was handed over in a treaty not annexed

cheers for that well reasoned and thought out response I agree with you now

runts

what does /brit/ have to do with this
some of us brits recognise it for what it is

as if it changes something

if you didn't want to get walled off you should've voted remain. Spain isn't in the wrong here

/cum/ isn't far behind.

need you out of business sunshine

Imagine having a tax haven, smuggling paradise, money laundering shithole, online gambling resort connected by land right in front of Stockholm, say one of the islands of Stockholm. Imagine it under some other countries sovereignity, populated it by a variety of foreign colonists brought in by ship from a variety of shithole, playing foul and being a pain in the ass 24/7.

That's Gibraltar. What would you do?

I would happily see every Spaniard vaporized by nukes before even one pebble of that rock is given back. FUCKING FIGHT US FOR IT MEDNIGGERS!!

Maybe they will if you safely escort your military from their barracks with their heads attached on their bodies first.

>Stockholm
Wouldn't it more be like some random bit of Finnmark?

This would mean that the UK leaves the EU but joins Schengen. Sweden / Norway or Spain / Andorra have this kind of border policy because of Schengen. If Britain joins the Schengen zone (which they won't because they don't want more Bulgarians and Romanians), the Gibraltar question is solved. It has nothing to do with hurt feelings, or getting back at the eternal Anglo, it is basic international law.

>engistan lost 3 wars against iceland
>the pakis think they could take the whole EU

your own soldiers will get beheaded before even leaving the base LOL

Spain can have Gibralter as far as I'm concerned. We wanted it to control the Mediterranean in the past but its served its purpose. The people there are not British no matter how much they wave the flag. Spain has to give up Ceuta and Melilla though.
Then again clobbering some spics might be fun so bring it.

the best general on the site?

>What would you do?
Fuck all 'cos you'll get a slap.

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I dont think you understand the situation
Gibraltar and politicians here are unhappy because Spain pressured the EU into mentioning Gibraltar in literally the first interaction we've have about negotiating our exit. We triggered the article on wednesday and by the weekend their sovereignty is being questioned.

In the grand we have a lot more important things to discuss than Gibraltar, Spain/EU is just being pathetic

>a ramp

lmao

Obsessed

>404 (aircraft not found)

*grand scheme of things

Why should we give up two cities that were spanish before morocco was formed

gib HMS Ocean.

>we have a lot more important things to discuss than Gibraltar
Yes, like Northern Ireland and Scotland.

Why should we give up something that was given to us by Spain forever?

In the grand scheme of things, there is no such thing as petty, and trying to deflect that is a sign of being a manchild or having Alzheimer.

they're just being opportunist here, you are the ones going on a chimpout for a fucking rock

you put yourself in this situation

>Scotland

apparently we're irrelevant to England but they still throw 15 billion at us.

No because Finnmark is unpopulated whereas the area around Gibraltar isn't and the economical development is parasitized by Gibraltar.

That's why close border and lock out of markets proceeds.

We're forced to under the Scottish-run union

Don't worry you don't need to give us anything.

If Gibraltar starts to cry again because of the borders is not our problem.