Which one made the better gangster movie?

Which one made the better gangster movie?

Tarantino dwarfs them both, but Casino is easily better in every way than either Godfather.

Wrong.
Reservoir Dogs pales in comparison to Goodfellas.
But Godfather trumps all.

David Chase made the logical conclusion to the genre and to organized crime in general.

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Scorcese is more rewatchable.

Scorsese because he actually knew Made Men (Mafiosi). Coppola is a fruit who turned a great Mafia book into a Soap Opera movie trilogy focusing on a Family. He took the Sicilian Machismo and grit out of The Godfather. I still like The Godfather though.

Step aside, plebs

This.

Coppola glorified the fuck out of organized crime while Scorsese painted a more brutal picture but still glorified the gangster life but Chase finished it off with a more grounded look at organized crime and portrayed it in all its true ugliness.

I could literally watch Goodfellas every day of my life and still enjoy it.

I probably couldn't stand watching the Godfather more than once a year.

Me when I film my life story

did you know that coppola wanted scorsese to direct godfather 2 but paramount said no

Goodfellas is all-time GOAT gangsterkino. this is irrefutable. The Godfather trilogy (minus some very laughable moments in part 3) is truly exceptional, but ultimately don't touch the cinematic majesty that is Scorcese's masterpiece.

if scorsese directed godfather 2 taxi driver probably would never had been made, or if it did at a later point and possibly with a different travis. i think everything worked out

This. Besides, Scorsese only started maturing after Taxi Driver, while The Godfather II was FFC's masterpiece. We could have been left with a mediocre movie instead (like Mean Streets, which was really weak).

Mean Streets isn't weak, but GF2 is most definitely Coppolla's best. part 1 = 8.5/10. part 2 = 11/10. part 3 = 6.5/10.

I don't think I actually "got" Mean Streets. It seems so poor, yet people claim it's great.
Can you explain why you like it to me?

I don't think it's necessarily great, but it is above average for the time and genre. it's also the literal start of many things now considered classic when it comes to the people involved. it's the start of the deniro/scorcese work, the start of scorcese' exploration of nyc, crime life, etc, the performances are excellent (young deniro and keitel? that's pretty obvious, I think). and there are some really interesting character dynamics that, while explored in other movies before it, are portrayed in what has now become scorcese's classic very stark realism, rather than raw drama. is it his best? certainly not, by FAR. but can you see his best buried really deep in there? absolutely.

They're both god tier but unrelated.

The Godfather is a great film, but it's mythology. It's a great family epic set against a Gangster Fantasy background.

Goodfellas is a document of a real time and place.

Not a documentary, but a representation of what life felt like for Henry Hill in that era. It focuses on the momentary details and important events of his life and sets out to give you a feeling for a specific place and it's people.

The books are soap operas though. He didn't dilute them at all.

I've only seen part 1 of the godfather and goodfellas. And I think Goodfellas is the better movie it's also more rewatchable

in order:

Goodfellas
The Godfather Part II
The Godfather
The Departed
Gangs of New York
Casino
The Godfather Part III
Mean Streets

Godfather really works as a two parter.

Probably because Part 2 was expanded from all the plot cut from the book when they adapted the first movie.

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>Gangs of NY that high
>Goodfellas above Godfather 2
>no OUATIA
6/10, you can do better

I understand its inffluence, but I don't really agree about the quality.
The acting, in particular, is something I think is off. Not DeNiro, he was excellent, pratically carried the movie on his own, but Keitel was pretty bad.
I just didn't know what the hell was the deal with his character. Sure, it was clear on dialogue, but his acting was kind of poor.
I agree, most of Scorsese's best elements were there, but it was still a big mess of a movie.
Direction was kind of off as well, and the fact that there was always music playing in every single scene gave me a light migraine.
Anyway, it's not a bad movie, not at all, but it's really weak compared to Scorsese's best movies.

State Of Grace was pretty good too.

I gotta watch it again.
Great soundtrack.