Reminder the Space Shuttle had 100% reusable engines
Reminder it actually turned out to be more expensive to do this than use expendable engines like the Russians do
Reminder pic related was the same idea they had with the shuttle, to reuse the engines and crew vehicle
Reminder it was a disaster and the shuttle cost over a billion dollars per launch
Turned out it was cheaper to make new engines on an assembly line than to have used engines painstakingly rebuilt by hand dealing with different issues on every engine after every launch to get them back to 100% human launch capable rockets
Reminder Musk only wants to reuse his engines a few times anyway, they are not infinitely reusable and very expensive parts must be replaced by techs who can certify the rebuilt engine is OK to be responsible for human lives
Reminder people have been saying the Russian space program is done for 40 years after the moon race..., during that time they have logged more man hours in orbit with more men/women astronauts and fewer fatalities than the USA
Reminder the USA has no way to put a man into orbit right now (and has not for many years) and relies on the Russians and their single use rockets to get to the space station
Reminder Elon can only figure out how to get back his first stage rocket, his second stage rocket will still be expendable... the space shuttle reused all it's rocket stages
Does Latvia even teach their children what space is?
Sebastian Young
>All this wrong This counts as counterargument in the US of A.
Logan Lopez
Never send a human to do a machine's job.
Colton Richardson
It's pretty much all true though
Benjamin Rodriguez
Nobody is replacing satellites with humans Hans. They serve completely different purposes
Andrew Ross
>"market leader" only because they monopolize all european launches Nope. In contrast to the US, European payloads aren't required by law to use a European launcher. The German DoD, for example, ordered a SpaceX launch.
>they are basically subsidized by the eu All launch service providers are subsidized. SpaceX is 70% taxpayer money. Hardly a private enterprise in the true meaning of the word. But of all the LSPs Arianespace is by far the least subsidized.
Aaron Myers
You don't say. And what profits does human spaceflight generate? Oh, less than zero. Great! So it's a money sink then. Congrats Russia, well deserved. Kek.
Spacex really isn't subsidized they have the lowest cost of any anyone. Most of their revenue comes from independent work outside of launching stuff for NASA. Arianespace is and will always be completely subsidized as they have no reusable rocket or promise of reusable rocket in their future. They will cost a lot more to launch then Spacex so they will end up being subsidized by the EU. There is no competition in Europe for a cheaper rocket you will be stuck with an expensive rocket by a company that can't innovate.
Just because you claim it doesn't make it so. I told you the facts last post. You're wrong on all accounts.
Mason White
:^) (^:
Jonathan Young
If you think it's an honor to be used as a low cost freight service flying 50-60 year old rockets and spacecraft, then cool. Also it goes without saying that the OP is a proxy Kremlinbot.
>like any real Balt would spam Russian propaganda
John Barnes
>damage control
Charles Scott
>doesn't deny it :^)
Jaxon Ortiz
>muh mars Literally a massive waste of money Meanwhile Russia is making big bucks on on launching to ISS and satellites for the US and other countries
Kayden Adams
>sour grapes
Isaiah Nguyen
>Literally a massive waste of money If it was a waste, why did Russia try it 17 times? >Meanwhile Russia is making big bucks on on launching to ISS and satellites for the US and other countries More like a homeless junkie who needs money for smack. And once SpaceX is operational, we won't need them anymore. They really need that $20 million they get from each Soyuz launch. Poor shithole is poor.
Kevin Peterson
>And once SpaceX is operational, we won't need them anymore.
>depending on a beta South African that doesn't know much about social interactions to go to space
Not sure what you mean. You know Im right. It might have been some important point to prove for the USSR but right now Russia is content from leading and making money from the launch industry
Brody Powell
I mean, shit. They never even sent a guy out of LEO which we did in 1966. Sending probes to the outer Solar System? Forget about it.
Dominic Harris
You aren't giving any counterarguments to the OP. Instead, you make stupid claims. Here, look. >If you think it's an honor to be used as a low cost freight service Poor attempt at an insult. >50-60 year old rockets and spacecraft Which are clearly not; those were continuously modernized over years. >also you're literally Stalin and a dezinformatsya robot and a reptilian alien from Nibiru Even if I was, why won't you be a good American and disprove OP?
Jack Sanders
>and fewer fatalities than the USA
Two fatal accidents on a Russian manned flight (Soyuz 1 and Soyuz 11) and two on a US manned flight (the two Shuttle accidents). That's even.
Zachary Ortiz
>i know nothing about spaceflight and space industry in general at all: the post
Parker Sullivan
>Which are clearly not; those were continuously modernized over years It's kind of like how you can put new tires and an MP3 player in a '65 Chevy, but it's still a '65 Chevy. The R-7 family is a ridiculously superannuated design based on 1950s design concepts. It has only the advantage of being cheap and reliable because of having flown for so long that all possible hardware bugs were long ago worked out. But you wouldn't design a launch vehicle like that today, also its performance to size ratio is pretty damn low. The Soyuz was designed in the 1960s, it's not much newer. In fact they planned to replace them with next generation rockets and manned spacecraft in the 80s, but the collapse of the USSR prevented that. However, Russia has retired a good deal of legacy rocket hardware in recent years such as the R-14, Tsyklon, and Proton will soon be retired too.
We retired all of our legacy Cold War rocket systems in the last 15 years. Atlas, Delta, Titan, shuttle. All gone and replaced by newer stuff.
Logan Russell
Those ancap lamp posts...
Tyler Gomez
>The R-7 family is a ridiculously superannuated design based on 1950s design concepts For example, it was designed back when they didn't yet know how to air start a rocket engine so they had to have all engines ignited and running at liftoff. This problem was solved just a few years later which allowed the use of upper stages.
Michael Watson
That Progress failure last December was caused apparently by a turbopump failure due to improper alloys used in the pump blades and falsified documents at the R-7 plant in Kuybyshev. They were damn lucky that rocket wasn't used for a Soyuz launch because the accident probably wouldn't have been survival for a human crew.
Nolan Martinez
Nah I doubt this would happen on a manned flight since that was one of the last of the older model Soyuz U booster. They launch manned flights on the newer Soyuz FG now. Most likely because it was one of the last Soyuz Us, the workmen just half-assed it so they could close out the final orders for the rocket.
Jason Gonzalez
I've heard it said that some of those recent Proton failures were due to low interest and apathy since most Roskosmos personnel were being transferred to the Angara program.
Jackson Ortiz
I would agree if anyone else on earth had the ability to reliably send humans to the ISS
what is pathetic is the USA not planning for the retirement of the space shuttle (the writing was on the wall in 2004, columbia just crashed and the newest shuttle was 20 years old)) that was 13 years ago and still no manned flight system, that's 3 years longer than it took us to go from having no human capable launcher to landing on the moon (1960-1969)
The Russian system works, has put more men and women in space than any other system and has the best safety rate over the last 40 years of any launch system
Jack Ward
>what is pathetic is the USA not planning for the retirement of the space shuttle It was supposed to be replaced with the Constellation spacecraft however they decided instead to switch development of routine LEO launches to SpaceX and phase NASA out of that.
>what is pathetic is the USA not planning for the retirement of the space shuttle (the writing was on the wall in 2004, columbia just crashed and the newest shuttle was 20 years old))
>he complains about the shuttles being outdated, but at the same time has no problem with Russian spacecraft decades older than the shuttle
Also I note this "Latvian" has never actually denied being a Kremlinbot.
Aaron Hall
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James Ortiz
>Also I note this "Latvian" has never actually denied being a Kremlinbot
It's the same guy who was posting in that Russian identity thread. He also used a Kyrgyzstan proxy to samefag.
>implying anyone in Kyrgyzstan has Internet access or electricity on their $10 a month salary
The Swiss flag in here is him too.
Nathaniel Wilson
Russian rockets have no advantage over US/ESA ones other than price.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Unless they're the son of the president. :^)
Camden Long
And for all that, he never mentions that the USSR tried to build their own shuttle and had to abandon it for lack of funds in the 90s.
Dylan Reyes
I'm surprised at the Russians persistence after fucking it up so many times.
Adam Collins
There were a million reasons why their Mars probes failed but they can be summarized mainly into these two points:
>rushing everything to meet political deadlines >inferior electronics and communications systems compared to the US program
The Kremlin also gave lukewarm support to the program since they really only cared about space exploration insofar as it was useful for political propaganda.
Colton Brown
One of those Mars launch attempts resulted in the booster crashing near the pad and leaving a pool of toxic propellants which kept the blockhouse crew trapped inside for a couple days until rain washed it away.
Aiden Lee
Why do Europeans and asians try to compete with America
It's not even funny
Connor Foster
I got to admit, trying it in 1960 was fucking insane especially when getting probes to the Moon was an exercise in frustration.
Grayson Garcia
Why the fuck should I give a fuck about fucking space when muhammads are literally blowing up metros in the glorious motherland?
Alexander Hill
Most of our modern lifestyles wouldn't be possible without comsats, weather satellites, and more.
Logan Ramirez
And yet all it takes is 1 yellow tin dictator with a couple of orbit capable rockets packed with junk to turn all those satellites into dead debris within 24 hours.
Space is a dead end investment
too much important shit going on on here on the ground
but dont let that stop you from watching star trek or hopes of getting abducted by them aliens and anally probed
Julian Evans
And all it would take is one nuke on Pyongyang to end that yellow tin dictator.
Ryan Sullivan
nukes dont exist
youve been mind fucked by your devil worshiping elite since birth
poor capitalist bastards
Cameron Peterson
You also don't get that many chances because Mars is only near Earth every 2-1/2 years.
