Does hybrid vigor in humans exist? Does race mixing actually create, stronger, more intelligent, more attractive and healthier children?
Hybrid vigor
Luke Mitchell
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Zachary Ramirez
Yes, but in Sup Forums science is useless
Easton Hernandez
This is basically pop science. Mixed race people tend to be average at best.
Charles Barnes
Your country is clear proof that race mixing produces shit.
Noah Reyes
Told you
Evan Morgan
>mexican intellectuals
Hybrid vigor only works on depressed gene pools, so while it would work for the average beaner it wouldn't produce good children for average whites.
Liam Rogers
One thing I know, there is not a single successeful non-homogenous country. USA is losing it's influence exactly as whites drop from 90%+ to 60. China, Russia and Japan are both extremely homogenous despite pol memes.
Brody Adams
Well, you imply shit by your own, so you must be an inbred.
>Implying shit by my own too
David Rodriguez
If it exists, it only happens to a fraction of mixed people. Remember that most mutations are harmful in the end
Elijah Hall
A species is species as the result of natural selection for the most fit traits in an organism, cross-breeding with another species that has specific traits for its own environment risks trashing the literal hundreds of thousands of years of evolution that made you fit for your environment.
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>average at best
>average
kind of like taking high and low numbers and finding their mean.
Camden Lee
There are no reedemable traits in the black man. So no
Julian Martinez
>Does race mixing actually create, stronger, more intelligent, more attractive and healthier children?
On the contrary. en.wikipedia.org
Xavier Morales
Blacks are 55x more likely of having the "warrior Gene" (previously known as the asshole gene) that makes you violent.
>5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele
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50% of Whites have the empathy gene compared to 10% of blacks
news.ubc.ca
Intelligence is mostly inherited, blacks score on average 1 standard deviation or below whites on IQ tests meaning far more are near retard level while only a microscopic number can be called "geniuses"
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Here is an African trying to build a plane
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Jack Perez
High IQ is high IQ. Low IQ is low IQ. If the hybrids are low IQ they will have a low IQ culture. If they are high IQ, they will have a high IQ culture
Jordan Peterson
high iq + low iq = medium iq
= brazil or middle east
Oliver Jenkins
Hybrid vigor does exist in humans. When someone from a highly inbred population breeds with someone from a seperate population, their children will be much heathier and free of the defects resulting from inbreeding. Hybrid vigor is not caused by hybridizing subspecies though.
John Reed
>Mexicans
>Intellectuals
William Turner
Objectively no. At least not with Whites. We always trade down.
Hudson Ramirez
Nope. They get more heart and bone diseases, and they are less intelligent.
Places with tons of race mixing are areas like spain, mexico and africa, while norway and japan are some of the most and ethnically homogenous.
Ashkenazi jews are sure homegenous, and they are the most intelligent group in the world.
Read the reddit ama from the author of "breeding between the lines". There is literally nothing supporting it, while tons of evidence to the contrary.
Anthony Ortiz
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Isaiah Williams
>high iq + low iq = medium iq
Bentley Garcia
Any proof that it exists in humans?
Brayden Perry
IQ test are irrelevant. Most Chinese live and behave little better than niggers.
Isaac Carter
>Stronger, more intelligent
If there were still natural adversaries that would still thin the herd every generation, yes. But as it stands, you'll probably live to 80-100 years old regardless of who's gene you inherit from each parent. At this point, the only genetic benefit racemixing gives us is more of a chance of surviving a massively spread, lethal disease since its a crapshot of who is and isn't immune usually.
The problem comes in when you throw in cultural factors. The uncomfortable truth is that the blacker someone's skin is, the more likely they are to associate with what is unfortunately the strongest candidate for "black culture" at least here in America, which pushes more so than any other message; that the best pursuit you can put your time and energy to is getting rich in spite of you surrounding culture's values instead of becoming a model of those values.
Its probably why modern day African immigrants are actually very successful, either because they have the money for the move, a job waiting for them, or the spirit that an international move takes is the kind of attitude capitalism rewards, their kids have about the same rates of crime, recidivism, and unemployment as the rest of African Americans.
Luckily, black culture is very exclusionary, so the best way to avoid your child being associated with black culture is to make sure they don't look black.
Isaac Parker
>does mixing with borderline retarded niggers make your offsprings more intelligent
yes, yes it absolutely does, now go ahead and bread out of your race you filthy goy
Jaxson Scott
How can you count Russia though? They're not being flooded with dindus but there's a fuckton of different ethnicities native there. Do they not really mix?
Elijah Kelly
nope
Chinese are uncreative and conformist, but they aren't violent and retarded
Kayden Cox
one thing Sup Forums gets wrong is using the IQ test as a measurement of intelligence.
IQ is bullshit - look at the meters is uses for grading intelligence and how its based on certain select measurements.
Tyler Martin
Mixed race people are mentally ill
see: Eliot Rodgers
Colton Hall
>Hybrid vigor only works on depressed gene pools
This is correct
>so while it would work for the average beaner it wouldn't produce good children for average whites.
This is as wrong as saying that hybrid vigour occurs in humans.
It doesn't. it occurs in very inbred, narrow, depressed genepools. The only time we see such gene pools occur is when humans have intensively bred the population to select for a very narrow range of features.
e.g. when you're trying to grow crops with the biggest yield so you keep on selecting pollen/seeds from the plants that produce the greatest yield over many generations then you get a narrow, depressed gene pool that is liable to genetic defects or vulnerable to particular diseases and in this situation you might observe hybrid vigor by breeding the next generation of plants with seeds/pollen from a substantially different population of the crop.
Or e.g. if you're a dog breeder and you're constantly trying to breed dogs that look the most ideally similar to the "classic" pedigree look for that breed, and so in order to do this you only let the dogs who look the most like the pedigree breed and you often have brothers breeding with sisters and you do this over many generations. In this situation you might observe hybrid vigor in some ways when you let the dogs breed with an unrelated dog.
No, hybrid vigour doesn't make you physically stronger, or faster or smarter or like a superhuman or anything like that.
It means that you're less likely to be vulnerable to diseases and genetic defects.
There aren't any human populations that have been selectively, narrowly inbred like pedigree dogs or crops to the extent that their gene pool is more depressed than any other human population. The only slight exception might be Ashkenazi jews, who have historically had a few genetic diseases that occurred with in them much more commonly than other European populations, but they have fixed that by interbreeding with other Europeans.
Luis Baker
China isnt one country though. Hong Kong is literally the most capitalist place in the world, whiel the rest of china is communist/oligarichal shit.
Nathan Young
>but they aren't violent and retarded
But they are certainly not more intelligent than Whites, as history well and truly shows.
>not retarded
Haven't spent much time with Chinks have you? They are Aspergers defined.
Nolan Murphy
Does not matter. Any intellectual test you cant train for will measure intelligence. It does not matter that it only adresses patter recognition.
Camden Roberts
>IQ is bullshit
nope
It's reproducible and predicts future success (unlike most bullshit sociology studies)
David Green
You're probably falling for the
>13% muslim
meme.
82% of Russia is ethnic russians, who are the most genetically homogenous ethnicity in europe actually, even more than Polish. And the non-russians mostly live in frozen wastelands outside of big cities.
Asher Sanders
The crime rate indicate otherwise.
Gavin Roberts
I said they were uncreative and conformist already
it's genetic
but they aren't violent or retarded which are the main traits of every black
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Hunter Bell
No, homogenous white societies lead to an objectively better quality of life for everyone living there. This doesn't allow all energies of society to be fully controlled and capitalized upon, however...
Jordan Diaz
just look at Latin America the most mixed race society on earth
Robert Nelson
Those bitches are ugly!
Liam Sanchez
That's not what hybrid vigor is. It only applies to inbred populations, or in other words it brings inbred retards back up to normal. It's particularly noticeable in dogs since they are so often riddled with genetic diseases, but it's relevant in any industry that uses line breeding.
Brody Myers
>Does hybrid vigor in humans exist? Does race mixing actually create, stronger, more intelligent, more attractive and healthier children?
For heavily inbred populations, yes.
I all other cases it results in less human diversity and destruction of unique evolutionary traits.
Jordan Baker
IQ is not bullshit.
Proof: if you gathered 100 people who scored 130 earlier that day on an IQ test and 100 people who scored 80 earlier that day on an IQ test, which group do you think would make better doctors or engineers or management consultants or programmers if they all underwent the same training?
Obviously the group with the IQ test of 130 would dramatically outperform the group with IQ tests of 80.
Why? Because being able to recognise and infer patterns and so predict the next shape in a sequence is a good proxy indicator (or infact uses much of the same mental machinery, but this point is not necessary for the argument, all that matters is whether it is a good indicator) of the ability to use deductive reasoning, understand and manipulate abstract concepts and processes and so solve problems.
So sorry, if you think IQ is bullshit you can eat shit, because the facts say otherwise, retard.
Kevin Ross
>merging whites and Hispanics
I hate this country
Kevin Walker
Goddamn, thing's are really getting shit when Russia just keeps seeming better and better.
Jason Brooks
>asshole gene
the "warrior gene" doesn't make you an asshole, it makes you lose control when agitated. they can be nice people when not raging.
Zachary Foster
>they aren't violent
Depends on how you define it. Certainly the way they treat animals is horrifically cruel, and they don't treat each other much better. Given that the most viciously bloody wars of the pre-industrial era occurred in China, to say they are not violent is a bit laughable. It's more that they're not recklessly violent like niggers. But they are capable far worse acts of cruelty than the niggers could ever come up with.
Thomas Watson
a coyote and a wolf mix is a terribly succesful animal that fares better than both coyotes and wolves because it has the fearlessness of a coyote and is comfortable in both wolf and coyote habitat
a mule deer and a whitetail deer will result in a deer that can't avoid predators because it tries to hop and run at the same time as the fleeing instinct is the combination of the two
Aiden Morris
there is low intrasocial violence in east asia
They don't kill each other for their nike's or over a game of Madden or whatever bullshit
You clearly don't know many blacks
Tyler Collins
Yes, the short answer is clearly yes.
The details of it are still important and interesting, to this user at least.
Neither Heterosis ('hybrid vigor' is a misnomer) nor Inbred Depression are guaranteed. In a very genetically diverse lineage inbreeding may be perfectly safe for generations, while in a very genetically homogenous lineage it can have horrific results immediately.
So too with Heterosis. You can almost think of it as the opposite of Inbred Depression. It's most powerful as an antidote to Inbred Depression, and it becomes less relevant if the lineage is already relatively heterogeneous.
So to put it in human context, the human race as a whole is one of the most genetically homogeneous on earth, and 80-90% of the heterogeneity we have is focused in sub-saharan africa and the new world blacks in part descended from them.
Do we see signs of inbreeding depression in the populations of European and Asian descent? Eyeglasses, check. Autism, check. Increasing incidents of birth defects, chemical sensitivities, previously rare disorders of all kinds? Check.
So from a genetic standpoint shunning black is really a bad idea guys. It's just a fact.
Jaxson Anderson
Probably. But It's co-incidental.
For example the Liger.
The liger is a cross between a male lion and a female tiger.
The lion grows faster to max size, the tiger has a larger max size. it's growth stops later in life.
The liger, is bigger than both tigers and lions because it combines those two attributes allowing it to grow faster and longer than either of it's parents.
Conversely a Tigon, (male tiger, female lion) doesn't have the same effect. The Tigon grows to at max the same size as a lion or tiger or somewhere inbetween.
Samuel Ortiz
The scores on the SAT (especially the SAT-math) and the ACT are for all practical purposes interchangeable with IQ test scores.
Julian Perry
No, and to say it does shows at best a high school level understanding of genetics.
Hybrid vigour produces a more healthy specimen only in very heavily inbred populations. Not "hurr you only have white people in your family", but actual cousin fucking inbred - as is the case in certain ornamental plants or dog breeds (or people who's mother is also their sister).
Alexander Nelson
it would be much better if asians and euros were retarded and violent like blacks
Isaiah Lopez
>You clearly don't know many blacks
Oh I know lots, and no nigger country or nation in history has spilled as much blood as the chinks have in the last 500 years. Fully expect them to go full nigger mode if they ever become the dominant power.
Although that's unlikely given that they're about a decade away from going full nigger on each other in yet another civil war. It's pretty interesting how a group of ultra-conformists slaughter each other so regularly over petty issues.
Noah Gomez
>There are people who genuinely believe the closer you are to a genetic mono-culture the better off you are.
I can't speak for other types of biracial people and I'll concede that it does not work in 100% of cases.
However when it does, and you inherit all of the more desirable characteristics of both races holy fucking shit does it feel good to be first generation mulatto.
Nathaniel Robinson
Look at Central Asia and Eastern Russia for Eurasian regions that existed for centuries. Look at South America for mixed Indian-European races. All are poor corrupt shitholes with low standards of living and infinitely inferior to Western Europe and East Asia.
Keep in mind that those are mixes of successful races. Adding Africans into the mix gives you the Arab race - no further comment here.
Nicholas Nelson
again those are inter social wars, wars between different ethnic groups or ideologies or countries.
blacks kill each other just walking down the street, it's an entirely different form of violence.
Go to Detroit then go to Bejing and tell me which city is safer to walk in.
Jaxson Moore
meanwhile in reality
Owen Ward
Ian Flores
Yes. But science and reason is not something /pol is very good at. Which is surprising considering how many here are autistic.
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Search for DNA and major histocompatibility complex (MHC) for more info.
Noah Rivera
Winning that genetic lottery is almost impossible as many genes are co-dependent to function properly, and many that within a racial gene pool don't tend to be togther adversely affect each other when present in the same individual. This means you need to get the right "white" genes and the right "black" genes from both the mother and the father simultaneously, and not get any of the ones that don't mix well.
Austin Smith
Wouldn't it be better if we all got smarter and healthier and less violent together?
Caleb Lopez
>this whole thread
>full of newfaggots who believe the kikes race mixing propaganda
This is shameful, when did Sup Forums get so infested with plebbitards?
Pastebin demonstrating the problems with miscegenation.
Ryan Nelson
The little one's got that serial killer look about him.
Isaiah Lee
Depends. I agree that if you take "naive" samples and measure their IQs, the ones with the higher average IQs will perform better.
The problem is that IQ tests are things you can learn to perform better on. People who study IQ tests extensively can easily score 160+ simply by understanding the way the questions are formed and how they're supposed to be answered.
That's an extreme example, but even I personally noticed it when taking an IQ test, that I could use certain techniques to perform better. It definitely didn't seem fair to compare me to an African who is absolutely not used to taking academic tests, let alone IQ tests.
After all, do you honestly believe that the average person in those African nations is a literal retard (as an IQ of 60 would suggest)? Nah, they might be less intelligent than whites, but they aren't literally retarded on average.
Mason Young
>Adding Africans into the mix gives you the Arab race - no further comment here.
Well to be fair arabs were pretty cool before they went full islam and turned into animals
Charles Harris
You will not achieve that by mixing everything together.
Leo Powell
>Pick two of the best looking ones possible to find for pic
>Still look like shit
Why the fuck are you even asking when you have the answer saved on your pc?
Isaiah Martin
Well yeah. That is why black hispanics are the most powerful race in the world
>Mediterranean, Arab, Germanic, African and Amerindian blood
No woman can resist this.
Eli Adams
>we cite stats and science 99% of the time
Yeah, fuck off m8. Just because it hurts your feelings doesn't mean it's not science.
Adam Sanchez
Wait, so lion-tiger mixes are different depending on which gender the parents were? Interesting. Does that happen in humans?
Kayden Turner
well we need to conduct a study first. Rather than that lets look at the geniuses of our time and look at their heritage, this should be enough. My guess is they all belong into a homogenous heritage be it black , asian or white
William Powell
well maybe not black
Jason Green
They brought in a ton of slaves in a millenium of Islam that definitely raised the African admixture.
Luis Hernandez
>82% of Russia is ethnic russians
kek, "ethnic" russians include all the native populations east slavic scum have assimilated over centuries
keep that in mind
Ethan Hill
those aren't real they are artist generated
real race mixed people look like Brazilian favela monkeys
>make white people more retarded in order to make black people less retarded
Connor Smith
Arabs castrated their slaves m8.
Andrew Rodriguez
Look at London. The answer is no, it is the exact opposite. Europeans are being ruined with race mixing.
Gavin Johnson
Surprise surprise: Islam says there are no races, only humans and encourages the faithful to blanda up.
Samuel Baker
Problem is every time anyone tries to conduct a serious study on race and intelligence he gets shut down.
Jaxon Johnson
Concubines m8. Arabs imported more female slaves.
Aaron Rogers
Yeah, white ones taken from around the Mediterranean. They loved dem blondes.
Julian Taylor
Yeah, but the resulting mix was extremely even on all territories, maybe because russia was resettling people constantly. There was a russian study to find if russians are mongols, and turned out they had less mongoloan admixture than even poles, the core russian regions are literally close to 100% similar in genetics.
Owen Rodriguez
Get mad, hick
Christian Powell
no
Henry Jackson
>muh IQ isn't fair
>muh niggers really aren't dumb
>guize
Please fucking kill yourself or go the fuck back to where ever you're from.
The chimpanzeeIQof 80 or 90 points is in comparison to human children. The development of the human brain does not cease in childhood - it continues to the age of 25. The development of the chimpanzee brain, on the other hand, ends quickly. Since then, the human-chimp gap widens and widens.
A similar things happens to blacks. Their early childhood scores are more similar to those of whites (see the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study), later they widen, and in adults the gap reaches 20 points. Also, the average black AfricanIQis not really 60 or 70 points. If you reject the samples which included e.g. children with a history of malaria or malnourished ones, samples tested with instruments which have known cultural biases etc. and focus only on the representative adult samples that use decent methodology, you'll find out that the real averageIQof an adult sub-Saharan black African is roughly 80 points… Which is still not something to be happy about:
paulcooijmans.com
Moreover, an averageIQof 80 points suggests an entirely genetic origin of the gap: African Americans score 85 points on average, while whites of European origin - 100 points. African Americans are roughly 1/4th white - and score 5 points higher than their pure African counterparts (5 points = 1/4th of the 20-point white European - black African gap):
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
What I've just written is the greatest taboo of modern science: whites and blacks do differ in their average cognitive abilities, and the reason for the difference lies in their genes rather than in the environment.
Jace Morgan
Yeah except I agreed with you that Blacks are less intelligent than Whites on average.
If you'd calm down and actually read what I said, you'd notice I made a valid point.
IQ tests are skill-based, not completely accurate measures of intelligence.
Charles Reyes
"warrior gene"
Why is everyone besides whites so shit at war then?
Nicholas Hall
>5'5
>180 lbs
when will they learn
Jack Butler
says the Hispanic
Jaxson Perez
>Brazilians the most genetically admixed people on Earth
>literal retarded shithole
Yeah, no
Chase Brooks
Guys race is just a social construct anyways remember?
My professor told our class that there was absolutely no proof of the existence of race
Jose Walker
Just looks African-American to me.
Carson Myers
Ask latinos, the major mixed race, if they are more intelligent and stronger than the rest of the world.
Or ask Elliot Rodgers about the many benefits of being mixed.
Justin Young
Sort of but it just happens between third degree of blood related humans.
Josiah Russell
>and turned out they had less mongoloan admixture than even poles
Also Russians have heavily mixed with Uralics, Turkics, Mongols, you name it. Pure East Slavs are really rare. Hell, even Putin had Vepsian roots if I recall correctly.
Eli Long
see
Luis Gomez
At what point it is Racemixing?
I'm Sudeten German + Galician (Polish+Ukrainian).
Is this considered Racemixing for Sup Forums?
Jonathan Perry
No, but inbreed cause a loss of vigor.
Though there are some valuable traits in different ethnic groups/races. Some finns for example are immune to HIV