What would China be like if the nationalist won

What would China be like if the nationalist won

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They would be in the same position as they are now except 30 years ago

Better
Democratic
Freer
Uncensored internet
Higher living standard
More modern
Possibly almost on par with places like Taiwan and HK

The downside would be the country would be much more populated because Mao never kills millions and less famines maybe

The same as today. China now far closer resembles CKS's idea of copying the Mussolini corporate state model than it does Mao Zedong's socialist millenarianism.

Hard to say, Chiang was a very poor and incompetent leader and the corruption of the KMT rivals that of the present day CPC.

At the very least they would not be defecating in the open and being so poorly behaved.

>Better
A little.
>Democratic
Never.
>Freer
Keep dreaming.
>Uncensored internet
Bit freer than now.
>Higher living standard
Maybe.
>More modern
Maybe.
>Possibly almost on par with places like Taiwan and HK
Yeah, no.

Their gommunism is just a facade.

Misquote

worldif.economist.com/article/12130/chiangs-china

China'd probably became an American puppet dictatorship like in Latin America
Taiwan and South Korea weren't democratic and free until recently

Latin america tier shithole that is dominated by western interests.

I dispute the idea that the regime would have remained a US ally. Chiang Kai-Shek was never actually friendly to the US and Britain except when he'd take our checks, and KMT ideology was rooted in anti-Western and anti-imperialist ideologies. There was a considerably falsified image circulating in the US about the KMT being enlightened democrats struggling against evul gommunism.

>Latin america tier shithole
So exactly what present-day China is?

The U.S. could pressure him to be a puppet if he didn't want to be overthrowned, tho

CKS appeared on at least 8 Time Magazine covers because Time founder Henry Luce was a personal friend of the Chiangs. Luce of course also perpetuated the falsehood about the KMT being liberals. Taiwan through the 1970s was not greatly different from the mainland in having an oppressive party dictatorship with political police, a cult of personality around the leader, torture of dissidents, warped propaganda, and media censorship, although they did allow private enterprise.

shit

Basically Qing's China.

Taiwan style chair fight in parliament.

No. While living standards are somewhat completable China has seen an enormous rise in it's standard of living and average wages over the last few decades while latin America has mostly stagnated.

China's per capita GDP is $6800 which is less than several South American countries.

And a short while ago it was significantly less. And if projections are accurate it will be significantly more a decade down the line. China is on the up and up and Latin America is largely stagnant, perpetually peripheral economies.

I think he meant more in terms of banana republic-level corruption (and China has ginormous corruption at all levels of government).

You have to go back, Zhang.

this

>no cultural revolution = old chinese culture and traditions would still be intact, would be more culturally similar to Taiwan or HK than modern day PRC
>also because no cultural revolution, the generation that grew up during the 60s and 70s that have no manners, morals, etc. never would have existed and started the chinks=soulless phenomenon
>no internet censorship = chinese presence on the web would be massive, Sup Forums would be flooded with chinese posters at a rate similar to americans, brits, or russians
>no Mao to tell everyone to have 7 kids, and subsequently no one child policy, so population pyramid would be normal
>all of the old temples and ancient artifacts destroyed by the red guards would still be around
>government would probably have been authoritarian until around late 1980s when the ROC of our timeline democratized, corruption would still be an issue
>traditional chinese characters would be used worldwide, simplified would have never existed
>strong ties to the US, NATO, etc., would have been a valuable force against the USSR in the cold war

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They wouldn't be such massive cucks, they would still have a semblance of their past culture, and they wouldn't make their living trying to make cheap copies of western products.

As much as I hate the PRC, I don't think it would be much better. Would most likely be India 2.0 at worst, and similar to modern China, but with some more freedom at best.

Except for that 30 year detour where the Communists starved everyone to death. That probably wouldn't have happened.

a quick run down on China under the nationalists rule
>death rate is 3% which equals to birth rate
>Kong and Song family have 2 billion dollars in US bank, China's GDP was 3 billion dollars
>country's Gini 0.6~0.7
>CPI 1000% during the civil war
>couldn't win the war with 3 times more soldiers than "commies" and supported by the americans, fled to an island called Taiwan after losing the war
>lose taiwan to DPP, about to be bankrupt
but hey, the west love them, a simple trick could invite american troops to protect our border, how cool is that?

Pretty shit desu, reminder that the KMT could have won if they weren't massively hated by most of the population because they were a bunch of warlords and didn't embezzle every dollar of American aid they got.

It would just be some poor Asian kleptocracy.

Two nukes weren't enough

It would be full of Chinese people so still pretty shitty.

>Possibly almost on par with places like Taiwan and HK

It would certainly be better than today but nowhere near HK and Taiwan, those places benefited from very efficient and close knit administration, something you will never get on the mainland.

Where have you been?

>lost against a bunch of literal peasants despite outnumbering them with better equipment and more money and training, due to massive corruption
>good rulers

> massively hated by most of the population because they were a bunch of warlords and didn't embezzle every dollar of American aid they got.
>This meme again
It's a shame this narrative is pushed so much, American advisors to the KMT who reported this were communist sympathizers, who rode the cocks of the CCP. They often wrote back saying we we're funding the wrong side.

The current communist government is the best thing for mainland China.

Not good for the rest of the world though.

Yes, it must be coincidence / communist sympathizers that everyone who knows the most about the KMT said they were totally shit and corrupt.

Surely we should get the opinions of those who don't know anything about the KMT or never worked with them instead.

Seriously, they were and are shit. I'd unironically rather be ruled by local communist party( if there were one)or PRC itself.

How is the current paris chink out going?

I didn't know chinks could chink out in the first place.

>>no cultural revolution = old chinese culture and traditions would still be intact, would be more culturally similar to Taiwan or HK than modern day PRC

There are hardly any buildings earlier than 1900 left standing in Taiwan. There are maybe three or four historic residences left in Taipei, a handful of historical sites in Tainan and the rest is a hell of blocks of concrete built in the sixties and seventies. Free Enterprise took care of destroying the "old culture" there far more efficiently than the commies could ever dream of doing it.

Because Taiwan itself is not an old historic region in the first place, unlike mainlands, aboriginals are still a thing there even until Japanese occupation

It had its fair share of Ming and Qing-dynasty architecture but most of it got steamrolled indiscriminately. Apparently the gov't tried to give old buildings protected status but the owners would tear them down before they could in order to be "free" to build a concrete block in its stead. Those buildings that have survived did so almost miraculously - the Li residence in Luzhou wasn't torn down because of the stubborn old lady who lived in it until recently.

>Americans keeps berating an Ally they used and betrayed
Oh what a surprise

Yeah, Cultural Revolution, Great Leap Forward, being supported and kept on lifeline by Stalin, and selling opium to Japanese during the war instead of fighting them is sooo much better.

Meanwhile the KMT kept on engaging in the opium trade well into the 1950s and 1960s with the complicity of the CIA

More like Guanxi leftovers.
Beside, Mao was funding his "ideal republic" by trading opium with the very people he was officially fighting against. And was quite loud about it.

>More like Guanxi leftovers.
More like NRA remnants that received direct funding from Taiwan until 1961
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang_in_Burma
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Opium_War

A little nicer, but still controlled.

truth.

China would be kinda like Afghanistan or Iraq (post Saddam).

I would unironically rape and murder david warner's entire family

David Warner can't be caged, he can't be controlled, you ever pathetic, ever fool.

Noice, it's that Hong Konger CCP shillbot.

Oh god yes, this. The KMT were brutal on native Taiwanese culture and there were mass purges and executions during the 50s. The casus belli for it was that Taiwan had been ruled by Japan for half a century, so that the native Taiwanese were suspect and possible traitors.

>traditional chinese characters would be used worldwide, simplified would have never existed

Also, lol@KMT = muh traditional characters. Simplification is a May 4th Movement thing, not a Communist idea. The KMT were the ones originally behind simplification, it's just that when they were exiled to Taiwan they went full tsundere, "i-it's not like I want to simplify characters or anything, b-baka!"

In 1932, the KMT-run department of education had already released a list of simplified characters. In 1934, Qian Xuantong compiled the draft ofthe Table of Simplified Characters, which included 2,400 characters. In 1935, the education department of the Nanjing government published the table of the first batch simplified Chinese characters.

This whole thing was interrupted by the war and the commies simply resumed the KMT committee's project after the end of the Chinese Civil War. That's when the KMT started to backpedal and their only policy became kneejerk reactions of doing the exact opposite of whatever the commies were doing.