US media was not allowed in the White House, only Russian media.
Is America still a democracy?
US media was not allowed in the White House, only Russian media.
Is America still a democracy?
Is it?
on paper?
yea sure why not
if a two party system is a democracy anyway
in any case it's been hijacked
Muh democracy
>Is America still a democracy?
You fucks literally elected Trump as your president and you ask if you still have democracy?
Yes, yes it is. You choose this guy in a democratic process.
We're a democratic republic mate. We've never been a democracy.
Tfw we were supposed to be a Constitutional Republic
>Is America still a democracy?
You are literally fucking retarded. I hate Trump, but you are unimaginably stupid. Read a fucking dictionary, you twat.
Very poor argument. FYI, Hitler was elected in a democratic process. And many other dictators that then quickly dismantled democracy.
>you chose
>didn't win popular vote
Our electors chose the lesser of two evils knowing that the majority of the U.S. is comprised of idiots looking for a free handout.
Andrea Mitchell was there shouting questions.
No, that was not Trump's meeting. That was Tillerson with Lavrov.
>When Russian media is more trustworthy than US (((news)))
More trustworthy to be pro-russian pro-trump
Trumps being a good boy for the ruskies
His time will come
>knowing that the majority of the U.S. is comprised of idiots looking for a free handout.
So the obvious solution was to pander to the rural filth living in the insignificant, backwater, podunk, ass end of nowhere, more cornfields than people flyover states?
Hitler was never elected. He had the most seats in a hung parliament but was never in majority.
He was given emergency powers in the Enabling act of 1933 to prevent the country from crumbling and then appointed himself Supreme Chancellor once Hindenburg died
Hitler WAS elected, retard. That's how they choose presidents/PMs/chancellors to this day.
>He was given emergency powers in the Enabling act of 1933 to prevent the country from crumbling and then appointed himself Supreme Chancellor once Hindenburg died
You just prove my point.
No and it never was
He did not win the popular vote bro
> and it never was
Don't cunt yourself on that edge, kid.
Being chancellor because you have the largest fraction of the votes in a complete mess of a parliament is nothing.
He didn't have any power until Hindenburg bypassed parliament and gave it to him
Just imagine if Obama had done this; the Republican assblast would register on the fucking Richter scale.
But I guess I should really stop being surprised and triggered over the double standards.
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>Being chancellor because you have the largest fraction of the votes in a complete mess of a parliament is nothing.
But that's how you get to form a government in European parliamentary systems to this day you fucking retard.
Having a government then gives you power. That's literally what being elected means.
It's been closer to an Oligarchy for a while. I'm pretty sure we've never been a democracy, though. I'm pretty sure it's officially a "federalist republic"
you libtards are so mad right now!
He had the power to do nothing because his party had such a small number of seats in parliament. Any bill he would have proposed would immediately be voted down by everyone else squabbling for power.
>Hur durr everyone that dislikes or criticzes trump is a liberal I am so damn smart!!
>Hahaha triggered lulz!!!
Million times this. Southern redneck white people would literally start a race war if Obama did something like this.
The fact that you're not concerned about these things makes you an idiot, son.
He was elected and was in charge of the executive power at least.
It's a different question that he abused his power after the Reichstag Fire and nobody, no institution stopped him (or could stop him). But he was elected.
I was literally about to make a troll post that was almost this, verbatim. Me, trying to come off as as big of a gibbering, mouth breathing idiot as I possibly could is what a Sup Forumstard posted legitimately.
Really makes you think.
Not by majority of electoral seats
The American people democratically selected Clinton (who is a fucking awful person btw) as their president, the Electoral College then weighted people's votes based on how valuable each state is considered and selected Trump instead.
Technically democracy but a very twisted kind of democracy that can be altered to suit a certain party.
Yep
I remember them being outraged over some bullshit stories about Obama's "connections" with Le Ebil Russian Tzars. I mean, they called him a Commie for simply KNOWING Russians kek.
That's completely irrelevant. Like I said, it happens all the time in parliamentary systems to this day.
The important point is that dictatorships are often created by initially elected leaders. There are countless examples.
NO YOU DUMB FUCK. IF THEY GO BY POPULAR VOTE: NY,LA AND HOUSTON PICK THE PRESIDENTS.
YOU WANT THAT?
>the value of each state
Which is mostly determined by population. The electoral college has nothing to do with giving people in rural, underrepresented areas more of a voice -- I hope you know that.
People don't vote for president, they vote for a party. The winning parties then vote for president. We learn this shit in middle school, but usually don't care much about it at that time, so by the time we finish high school nobody remembers how our government actually works.
Why do you want bumfuck redneck votes to weigh ten times more than educated city votes?
Those heroin-abusing rednecks wanted handouts, not the moderate/liberal middle-class
You're showing your underage
Doesn't matter where they're from. 1 Person = 1 Vote.
If the votes outside densely populated areas are worth less, you literally have second class votes. It's fucking ridiculous.
>being this dumb
>muh paparazzi must document everything or else its fascism
Wat? What are you even replying to?
You were never supposed to pick the president period. The framers didn't think the common mass understood politics enough to choose the highest office in the States. This system was setup so you vote for a representative that had the knowledge and experience to choose the right person to represent your values and needs. Pick up a fucking book a read how our government actually works and why it is that way. It sucks but it is the best damn system to exist. Does it need changes sure but removing it entirely is just plain stupidity.
>freedom of press isn't important, and they shouldn't have access to important political events... unless they're Russians
Just say it, user: I. AM. A. BOOT. LICKER.
russian media tho
>freedom of the press means unfettered access at all times
>if there isn't a camera on trump when he's taking a shit, its not democracy
So? Russian diplomat wanted his press there. American President didn't want his press there. Its almost as if they're different people with different opinions of their own countries media
>it sucks, but it's the best damn system
So, an archaic, elitist system which puts the election in the hands of partisan hacks who are most certainly NOT the most qualified people to assess the qualities of the candidates is "the best damn system"? K
>educated city votes
WHAT FUCKING CITY DO YOU LIVE IN FAT FUCK?MUMMY'S BASEMENT,PA?
EDUCATED? HOUSTON? NYC?
LOL.
>freedom of the press means unfettered access at all times
You keep conveniently ignoring the fact that he only allowed the Russian press access.
An archaic system that took many people to create and compromise to figure out the best balance they could at the time. They thought too highly of the people who were supposed to represent us. Compared to other systems ours have stood against the test of time.
I don't think of Russia has some evil boogeyman, so it doesn't matter to me. Why don't you go wring your hands about muh russia somewhere else, fag.
>compared to other systems ours have stood against the test of time
Obviously, but it needs some tweaking. This election has been a pretty good example of why the electoral college is, in the words of Donald Trump, "a disaster for democracy".
Then perhaps you should do some research on Putin and his cronies.
We aren't a democracy and never have been. Framers thought a pure democracy was chaotic and a causation for factions and abuse. If I remember correctly they also thought a pure Republic wouldn't be able to handle a large country. So they did a mix of the two. We are a democracy of representatives. You are correct that it does need tweaks. I just don't trust anyone from our generation to do this. You can tell how much thought was put into this system. I just don't see that kind of critical thinking coming from most of our public and government leaders. Even if you somehow made a much better system good luck pushing that through our system.
You're shrieking whines don't change the fact that a large majority of the population don't know enough about politics and law to vote on every issue, bill, law, and potential change. The turnout for presidential elections alone, not to mention party elections, demonstrate how many people wouldn't even bother to vote if we had a full democracy.
We don't need to move away from a democratic republic. Our citizens are nowhere near informed to for a full democracy to work. We need to do other things like put term limits on elected officials so that they don't shy away from doing their job so they can offend less people and stay in office longer.
>I just don't see that kind of critical thinking coming from most of our public and government leaders
Unfortunately, that would include the electors.
Btw, you really don't need to edify me on our political system, son.
I feel like there is odd assumption that all city voters vote democrat
Regardless 1 man 1 vote is what a democracy is supposed to be
It wasn't really for you. There are others reading this. If I'm going to spout shit I gotta have something back up muh claims.
It's probably because IS """media""" acts like a bunch of spoiled entitled brats and don't give a fuck about anything other than being self righteous and selling a story.
You act like our electors are all righteous philosophers. If we had a system that truly put elections in the hands of wise, educated individuals, we wouldn't have President Trump.
Just stop
The current system is not improving anything that you list?
America voted for & the nominators selected a reality t.v. star who said just put me in there and ill work magic so fast your head will spin
>America
>Democracy
Pick one.
American is, at best, a representative democracy, and closer to an Oligarchy.
>liberals think america is a non-generalized democracy
>If we had a system that truly put elections in the hands of wise, educated individuals, we wouldn't have President Trump.
That system would also ban the clear, brutal Fascism known as American Liberalism.
>I gotta back up muh claims
I appreciate that, but all you did was point out facts about the mindset of the founders (founders who would almost undoubtedly be on my side after Donnie Small Hands).
YEAH BUT CANNON WHITES BE CONSIDERED 1 FULL HUMAN?
>That system would also ban the clear, brutal Fascism known as American Liberalism
Oh ok. How could I possibly argue with that airtight aryument
>(founders who would almost undoubtedly be on my side after Donnie Small Hands).
You godda take someone seriously when they call their perceived opponent names such as "Donnie Small Hands".
Fuck me. No wonder he won. THIS, this user right here, represents how disconnected liberals are from reality.
>pic related; ima vote for tacos hehe /100emoji dooooooom
LOL....ARE YOU AMERICANS REALLY THIS DUMB?
IT'S ALL TE SAME TEAM.
REMEMBER: PUT HER IN JAIL?
GTFO. NO WAY DONNIE BOY PUTS HIS OWN IN JAIL.
Keep believing the false history cunty blue pill
Yes only men tho. No women
>How could I possibly argue with that airtight aryument
You could try.
Or you could deflect, and pretend a response is beneath your station (on an anonymous image board, how prestigeous of you!) and evade a response by assuming your counterpoint is an idiot.
But ya know. Liberals assumed Trump was an idiot. They assumed everyone was behind them. This wouldn't be a case of repeating history, would it? Of being out of touch with reality?
>pic related
FUCKING THIS
And rural people shouldn't vote.
>You act like our electors are all righteous philosophers.
Literally the opposite of the stance I presented. Do you have problems with reading comprehension or were you not reading what you replied to.
Why do you feel this is a problem with the system as a democratic republic, and not a problem with the system as a two-party system. Why do you feel that Trump being elected President is a problem of the type of our system, rather then it being a problem of the people that gave us a choice between bad and bad? Your opinions have no apparent logical basis on which they stand.
>The current system is not improving anything that you list?
Different systems present a worse platform for improvement.
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Really? That! That... is why Trump won?? Stop being such a whiny little bitch. You're sounding like the hypersensitive liberals you seem to hate so much.
Reminder: Sup Forums
>it ever was
ummm its a Republic. when was the last time you voted on federal legislation?
>yes liberals really don't know anything about anything but their personal feelings and definitions for things
>implying rural people aren't trash.
The republicans need to stop voting just to spite the liberals and look at what they are doing to the country. They are voting party over country at this point.
Government just gets worse and worse with the GOP shit fucks that only promote the oligarchy and themselves.
At least the liberals are on the right side of science and history with their progressive agenda.
With the GOP in control we'll have back alley coat hanger abortions, no healthcare for poor people, meaning the people that can pay will have to pay for the emergency visits of poor people (ie, more expensive than preventative care would have been), unnecessary coal, unnecessary oil pipelines, tax breaks for billionaires which won't create a single job, more funding of a military which is already about 10X over funded, "school choice", and a bankrupt government from lack of tax revenue.
It's cool though. I'm 35 and retired from selling my first software company. If you retards don't want to tax me I'm fine with that. I don't need a lot of government services and no matter how expensive healthcare gets i'll be one of the last ones that will still be able to afford it - same goes for clean water while we're at it.
keep voting against your own interests fucktards
>they don't like trump, so let me use my favorite blanket term on them--liberals!
You are so fucking retarded. In fact, anyone pro-trump is a filthy backwoods piece of shit (see what I did there?). You cuckservative shits could have trump shit in your mouth, and you would say "well at least a liberal has to smell it!". Not only will you rationalize anything the first orange president does, but you will forever suck his cock.
>you could try
Or I could dismiss your broad, nebulous generalization because I have better things to do.
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There are no sources to back this.
Also, a Washington Post fact checker is probably one of the least trustworthy people in the world
>And rural people shouldn't vote.
Why? They're the infrastructure that allow cities to exist.
Where do you think that food comes from?
Where do you think raw materials for manufactured and processed goods come from?
Where do you think aforementioned goods are produced at?
Your entire spoiled liberal lifestyle completely hinges on "rural rednecks". That's why you lost the 2016 election so thoroughly. You got your ass spanked. You were out of touch not only with your own demographic and constituency, but the opposing constituency as well.
ANTIFA, BLM, Occupy X, SJWs, Safe Spacers, Compulsory Transgenderism...people know fascism when they see it.
American Liberalism is synonymous with Fascism now. That's how the world sees it. Period.
The right? Their most extreme group is the KKK. And guess what they do now? Hold church socials and give you free cups of sorbet.
>disclosure: ex-pat american
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> Trump is literally a Russian spy
> Trumpto start ww3 with Russia
You libtards need to pick one
The US is cucked by Russia, it's hilarious
>Why do you feel this is a problem with the system as a democratic republic, and not a problem with the system as a two-party system
I think it's a little bit of both. And no, that's not the opposite stance that you presented. You do realize by "electors" I meant the individuals who vote in the electoral college, right?
great move-
to the retard that said heroin rednecks are the only ones looking for handouts and only the middle class libs are trying to help, YOUR A FUCKING MORON! all those middle class bitches are crying about they need free education cus there dumb ass can't afford college because there getting a degree in SHIT and then expect the real working class to pay for their fuck up. Your a fucking retard, no wonder your bitch ass deleted your comment. Now get the fuck out of America.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be paid for the goods and services they hire mexican immigrants to do I'm saying the rest of the country shouldn't be held hostage by the petty whims and needs of the rural filth. That's what they are. Filth.
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hey losers-
GOT IMPEACHMENT CHARGES YET?
We could afford all those things and much more if we didn't piss away so much money on Republican Welfare, so guys with a GED can get a job shooting brown people overseas.
never was one kid.
Nice try Cletus
>That's what they are. Filth.
This is why you lost.