Traditionally France has considered its values universal, not particular to its country. Freedom, equality, fraternity, democracy. It has exerted this strain of philosophy ever since the Enlightenment, whether it's the French Revolution, Napoleonic Europe, French colonialism.
The American CIA is the most Francofied government department in the USA. It deposed Communist-leaning governments and replaces them with either Democratic ones or at the very least non-Communist dictators (depending on the level of social development in the country). It (and military advisors) were present in Korea before the war, in order to ensure Democracy survived in some form. It (and military advisors) did the same to Vietnam, which previously was France's attempt at spreading universal democratic values to Southeast Asia. The former failed halfway, the latter failed completely. But the CIA tried.
In modern times the USA has invaded Iraq based on the neoconservative concept of universal democratic freedoms. The CIA also fanned the flames of dissent toward dictatorship in North Africa, which ultimately resulted in the Arab Spring. The same occurred in Ukraine, which prompted Russia to invade the country to ensure access to warm water ports (which a democratic Ukrainian government likely wouldn't grant). Naturally both of those attempts failed in a spectacular fashion, with Islamists and ISIS controlling large parts of MENA and Russia has demolished Ukraine.
So tell me Sup Forums
What truly separates the USA and France? Both countries presuppose universal values and try to spread them with the carrot and the stick. It's roughly the same philosophy, too. Both countries are so arrogant to believe that they have discovered the pinnacle of human government and operate on the assumption that they must spread this government style across the entire globe.
Christian Walker
fuck off ouiaboo
Ryder Young
fuck off ouiaboo
Luke Peterson
*licks*
Nicholas Wood
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Adam Hughes
Well universalism was really dumb and now that's a cancer we will never get ride off.
The only reason France was the first to imagine and implement modern democracy is because there no equivalent, anywhere. Trying to propagate our ideas to other countries and people was really dumb because they aren't intellectually up to scratch.
Given the current state of affairs of our very country our main goal atm should be ethnic and cultural cleansing within our borders
Colton Rodriguez
what about ouyaboo?
Gabriel Howard
>Given the current state of affairs of our very country our main goal atm should be ethnic and cultural cleansing within our borders
-t. Alain Soral
Joseph Allen
Why do you think we can't agree on anything internationally ? We both think we're the model every country should follow > It's roughly the same philosophy, too In form but not in substance. France always had a strong and centralized government. France just used to be at the center of the world stage and now US took France's place, but now we can boast that we're an old country with experience to be a bit relevant.
Owen Martin
>Why do you think we can't agree on anything internationally ?
Because both Americans and French are arrogant
Josiah Williams
>Alain "a good muslim is better than a bad native" Soral >Wanting to ethnically cleanse France Fook off you burger fucker. I'll slit your throat and fuck your ancestors brain.
Leo Bailey
Exactly, like I said, we all see ourselves are "a beacon of civilization" (heck, the US president is called the leader of the Free world) We don't have that humility the Brits have concerning our place in modern geo politics. Even during the cold war, France tried with all her might to be "the Third Way" and trying to be neither Washington's nor Moscow puppets, like Germany was.
So yeah, France and the US are similar in a way that we both want to be center stage. Except one is 60kg and the other is 300 kg
Cooper Barnes
>Traditionally >France has considered its values universal FUCK THE REPUBLIC
Carson Price
>FUCK THE REPUBLIC
Hunter Sanders
t.Louis-Ferdinand Céline
Jaxson Foster
Celine was a cuck and a coward
What we need is a Saint Louis or a Joan of Arc
Jacob Cruz
Fuck off, even without a kingless republic, we'd have had a constitutional or Parliamentary republic like the rest of Europe did.The values of Universalism was already quite well established in the communities which would have power. The republic is a symptom of the universalist values of the time, not its cause.
William Lewis
>universal values
Not anymore
Chase Walker
>What we need is a Saint Louis
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Jaxson Campbell
>he finally admitted it are you ill or something?
Ian Bell
>Well universalism was really dumb and now that's a cancer we will never get ride off.
Why did France arrive at universalism in the first place?
Connor Reyes
>tfw no qt joan of arc gf
Noah Brooks
>Paris >France HA
Bentley Morales
>Fuck off, even without a kingless republic, we'd have had a constitutional or Parliamentary republic like the rest of Europe did
The Free Masons are behind the Republic and the Universalism maymay, if we want to get rid of them, we need a Divine Right Monarchy
>The values of Universalism was already quite well established in the communities which would have power.
Bullshit
The whole point of the The Terror and the Vendean Genocide was to force the French to submit to the Universalism maymay
Jaxon Nelson
why was there so much cucking in journey to the end of the night
Austin Fisher
ITT : des français qui s'imaginent qu'ils ont encore de l'influence dans le monde
haha les gars j'ai de la peine pour vous
Noah Nguyen
France, get your sovereignty back, kick out the migrants, then make more baroque/beaux-arts neoclassical things please. Sick of all the post-modern marxist art and culture everywhere
Adrian Bennett
>Neoclassical >When rococo exists
Wyatt Barnes
Rococo is late baroque my friend. I like all those styles.
Christian Baker
Neo classical is the used whore of architecture. A travesty of style with style but no substance. Glad you can appreciate rococo tho
James Wilson
I prefer baroque, rococo, beaux-arts, and I'd love a gothic renaissance (in England), but neoclassical is great too. And I don't only mean the architecture.
Xavier Nelson
Why are so many Americans Ouiaboos?
John Green
He's just objective that's all.
Nathan Perry
The United States is classically a country with European origins. For much of the United States' history, most people came from Italy, England, Ireland, Germany, and France. In its cultural renaissance starting in the 1890's, ending with the great depression, much of the United States' culture was derived from these countries at their greatest heights. Also, we've been allies for decades, we've shared similar values, and we face very similar problems today.
Dominic Howard
Louis IX you retard
James Parker
because they smell terrible, are rude and cowardly and their houses are disgusting.
Mason Young
>to be a bit relevant. that's a mighty understatement for the #1 tourist location in the world.
Ian Rivera
fuck france, long live england
Sebastian Walker
can you be more of a boot licking ouiaboo? france will always be third fiddle in europe, second at the VERY best.
Nathaniel Taylor
>friendship ended with United Kingdom now my friend is France Can't all three of us team up again and rule the world
Andrew Anderson
>Traditionally France has considered its values universal, not particular to its country. Freedom, equality, fraternity, democracy. It has exerted this strain of philosophy ever since the Enlightenment, whether it's the French Revolution, Napoleonic Europe, French colonialism.
You know that these values destroyed us ?
Jacob Anderson
>liking rococo architecture
Noah Parker
>tfw no french/american general
Jordan Davis
Make some neogothic architecture Nigel
Wyatt Moore
it's funny since France is the more anti-american country of europe
Ayden Robinson
shhhh quiet. or a certain someone in this thread will have their heart broken
Cameron Jackson
They're also the more anti-French country of Europe.
Charles Davis
True
Cameron Perez
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Isaac Williams
Too bad Germany banned the only method of culture and government in modern history that made you absolutely thrive.
John Lopez
Rococo exteriors are simple but alright. Rococo interiors are quite good.
Blake Rogers
>/fra/
Justin Lewis
>What truly separates the USA and France?
The Atlantic Ocean.
Robert Brooks
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Gabriel Johnson
Because we have always been friends (except for that one weird time during the révolution)