Ok, but you can make this claim about nearly anything. There is a correlation between ibuprofen consumption and headaches. I can easily make the case that ibuprofen causes headaches, cause if you look at the data, it's clearly there. You don't take ibuprofen unless you have a headache, so you can't possibly prove me wrong.
But some things do have actual causes, you know? Unless you want to be that guy that screams out CORRELATION ISNT CAUSATION at literally everything then you're just defeatist and admit that we have no solid understanding of cause and effect then that delves into metaphysics, Artistotle etc..
Tl;dr you have a retarded stance.
David Gutierrez
Blacks commit more crime because they vote for democrats and liberal policies have shattered the black family by undermining marriage, awarding single motherhood, and creating a culture hyper-dependent on government handouts for their sustenance. There isn't anything about blacks that innately predisposes them to committing crime and implying such a thing is the epitome of racist thought.
Christopher Myers
It's a stats class scapegoat they use in order to come off as smart.
Correlation does not equal causation but it definitely suggests something worth looking at.
Jaxon Diaz
Prove that niggers being gunned down is racist.
Remember that racism implies racist intent. Good luck.
David Robinson
Except for the warrior gene and higher testosterone
Daniel Reed
lol the warrior gene
They are among the least war like people on earth.
Jack Barnes
Africans have been commiting tribal warfare on each other since their inception
Logan Allen
>least war like Not because of intentions, but because of lack of funds and available tools you stupid retard.
It's not that they won't wage war, it's that they can't. They'd be the most destructive people on the face of the earth if they could.
Juan Walker
It's dependent on culture. The media jew propagates rappers to encourage crime, drugs and ganghood. Rappers have the shortest lifespan out of any other career because the majority of them get shot and involved in ridiculous affairs.The fact that black people are overly incarcerated in the US compared to say incarceration rates in the UK is clear enough proof of intent to target black/impoverished people. I'd post links to source all of this, but you're doing very little to post legitimate evidence to defend your point anyways so I'll keep playing at your level.
Jayden Nelson
Are women punished less harshly by our justice system?
Luke Scott
It separates them from whites based on race because they are barbaic, that's why it's so illegal here
Leo Morgan
>not using icecream sales to predict when summer is coming
Blake Reyes
>CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION
I'm pretty much convinced this term was created and forced meme'd by jews. It's the same thing as "PURE COINCIDENCE".
Chase Morgan
Yes. And are also less likely to be punished.
Levi Johnson
The MAOA-L gene variant, the so-called warrior gene, causes its carriers to be more willing to take risks while simultaneously enabling them to better assess their chances of success in critical situations.
So what does this have to do with being violent?
Ryder Moore
>tfw already had your two days of summer
;_;
Landon James
>while simultaneously enabling them to better assess their chances of success in critical situations. Citation needed
Correlation tends to mean causation but causation only occurs one way. In your example this would be that headaches cause ibuprofen consumption rather than ibuprofen consumption causes headaches.
Cooper Hughes
That website is commercial and bereft of support for that proposition. Regardless, high testosterone, as I originally stated, contributes to violence.
Joseph Wilson
The trend has to be 100% in all cases, and even then that only establishes grounds to start a hypothesis, not prove it.
James Jones
I think the saying is more appropriately "Correlation does not necessarily imply causation," because as you stated, there are causes to events.
Take the reverse: Causation does equal correlation. I would argue that this one is going to be true. That is an a implies b argument. If you remember rudimentary logic, a implies b does not mean that b implies a in every instance. That's what is going on here.
Chase Bell
Maybe so, but I'm not about to research the claims of others. You post a damn source saying the warrior gene makes you violent and black people have it more than others, then I'll take your claim seriously. Marginal differences in testoserone isn't enough to justify a 1:10 incarceration ratio between white and black people in the US. You surely aren't stupid enough to believe that the differences between the dindus and the rest of civilized society are solely genetic, are you?
Brody Jackson
This terrible logic is stupid to the max. In OP's pic, you can use ice cream and shark attacks to predict or guess the other. The "warm weather" is just another class of phenomenon that correlates heavily with both.
"Causation" when dealing with realities is nothing more than consistent correlation. Only when dealing with formal ideas and people's motivations do you have something like a "cause" that is not correlation. You can jerk off thinking only correlation implying friction and collision of particles or the typical short list of phenomenon from physics 101 are "true causes" while the rest is rejected as mere correlation as long as it is not linked by a mechanical interpretation which is purely correlation).
Ryder Johnson
I only disagreed with the original post that I replied to on the basis that there are also genetic factors at play. I agree with the rest. Hence the "except for"
Zachary King
Oh
Nolan Hughes
>"CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION". When someone says this, they are really just saying that they disagree with you while you have data to back up your claim.
There are only a few scenarios for observing that A is correlated with B:
1) A causes B 2) B causes A 3) C causes both A and B 4) The observation is a statistical fluke, more data will show there is no correlation
When there are screams of "correlation does not.." they are really trying to put it into that fourth category. The screamer really doesn't want it in bins 1 or 2 because then their beliefs are undermined by observation. They might be ok with bin 3 at first, but will likely regret admitting it because they are now saying C is correlated with A and B. And you can keep doing that down in a recursive loop until we get to a bin 4 stopping point of their disbelief. And there is always that bin 4 because no set of data is perfect.
Angel Allen
Can't blame you for thinking otherwise since this is Sup Forums afterall
Owen Mitchell
your pic is a perfect example of mental gymnastics. why would people buy more ice cream and get into the ocean?!?!!? its hot its the fucking summer
there is a connection. and likewise when you see patterns in crime related to race it makes you think. why is a black man 5 times more likely to kill another person than a white man?
maybe hes subhuman shit . maybe he is suffering from a malformed lobe in the brain. maybe he produces more female hormone and is prone to mood swings like hes oin the rag
Robert Anderson
Then why does Sup Forums find it so difficult to believe the same could apply to black males in reverse?
Asher Campbell
Because Black males are punished more lightly than White males.
Oliver Nguyen
The worst part about it is the fact that the OP picture is category 3).
Charles Gonzalez
It actually isn't.
Using statistics to demonstrate trends is reasonable. >Be black >More-likely to get shot by police Using it to claim genetic inferiority isn't >Be black >Therefore an underlying genetic failure on the part of your ethnicity demonstrates that you are inherently less intelligent than other people
False analogy is false. Trends actually are demonstrated by statistics. The difference is that you aren't talking about trends. You're drawing conclusions well-beyond them. If your argument was: >be black >prolly has a lower iq That'd be accurate. But it isn't. It's: >be black >genetically predisposed to having a lower iq And that's a buncha bullshit.
Joseph Bennett
Because blacks, on average, commit more crimes, have more prior convictions, resist arrest, and possess unlicensed firearms and drugs when arrested. All contribute to higher incarceration rates and longer sentences. Women are viewed as weak and have children.
Nathan Baker
>blacks, on average, commit more crimes, have more prior convictions, resist arrest, and possess unlicensed firearms and drugs when arrested. All accurate >because they are black Not accurate
Just helping to explain the difference between describing a trend and conflating correlation with causation.
Jacob Jackson
>because they are black Where did i say that
Jonathan Davis
This. Summer is basically evil and should be banned.
Ethan Morris
You didn't. I was going beyond what you said to describe something to OP. Sorry--wasn't putting words in your mouth. Was trying to describe to OP the difference between your description of a trend, and what OP is talking about, which is drawing conclusions not found within the data based on the trend and conforming to OPs assumptions.
Parker Thomas
Black incarceration rates are also high in Australia.
Abos are
Nolan Roberts
Which is a perfectly reasonable stat from which to draw the conclusion that abos are more-likely to go to jail than white people.
What it is not a justification of is a claim that, therefore, abos are more-likely criminal than white people.
Do you get what the difference is? One is a simple recitation of facts. That can't possibly be denied. But the other is an explanation of those facts that wholly lacks a factual basis.
For all that the statistics tell us: it is equally reasonable to assume that the cause is that abos are predisposed to criminality as it is to assume that criminality is cause by fluffy, pink unicorns that invade your brain and make you act out in your sleep, and that they are more likely to invade the brains of abos because they think that abos might actually just be chocolate bars.
Jaxon Foster
Research the 2R variant.
Jack Parker
One might argue that abos unique admixture of denisovan dna could be causation. No evidence for that imo. Just proves that we are biologically different.
David Bennett
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Mason Reed
That is what's known as a "red herring."
>Abos are statistically more likely to end up in prison than white people True. >I think it's a genetic difference! You lack any facts to support that claim >But there are genetic differences! See how that isn't related to the first thing? It's just related to the second thing that you made up, that also wasn't related to the first thing.
It's a red-herring, but it's actually a better example of confirmation bias than a red herring. Not only did you draw a conclusion not found within the data, but you then constructed an argument to confirm your conclusion. You're spiraling down a hole you dug, that started out with an entirely-unrelated premise. And all that you did was hope that no one would notice.
Hudson Martin
Wasn't expressing an opinion on causation. I just didn't say what he implied I did.
Isaiah Torres
>I'm pretty much convinced this term was created and forced meme'd by jews.
Holyshit Sup Forums is retarded. You are supposed to learn this in your highschool science classes when they explain why things need to tested from multiple angles.
Sup Forums once again proves it is the least educate board.
Benjamin Ramirez
Well, since they all live in the same society, the only explanation for different outcomes would be different genetics. See ya later, DWL. Your pro - nigger stance might play well in your third grade class, but it don't fly here. You're out of your league, nigger loving punk. We use logic here.
Ayden Moore
I said one might argue. Not me. In fact I said there was no evidence imo. This time I do blame you.
Bentley Richardson
Any time Liberals bring up the HURR MUH POVERTY argument it's so fucking easy to blow their assholes out. During the Great Depression where people were literally starving in the streets crime went down.
Logan Hall
Which I agreed with. Was not claiming you did. I was using a strawman, built off what you said, to demonstrate to OP what OP is doing. I was trying to create an analogy to help out OP. Wasn't about arguing with you.
Ok no. Look, I really was using your comment as a spring-board to explain something to OP. And it wasn't an attack on anything you said. But you don't fucking get to hide behind "one might " statements.
Jason Moore
Then by what feature would you look toward to gain incite?
Asher Fisher
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Joseph Baker
So you're both wrong? You'd take ibuprofen after a headache
Gabriel Garcia
Except for the part where you said
>You're spiraling down a hole you dug, that started out with an entirely-unrelated premise. And all that you did was hope that no one would notice.
Clearly that was an attack on me. And their denisovan admixture is a possible explanation but there is no evidence, which I stated. And I can use a one might argue to contribute to a discussion especially when I explicitly disagreed with that argument.
Nathaniel Long
No, it's a very well known statistical fact. Causations are a subset of correlations. All causations are correlations but not all correlations are causations.
Eli Torres
Causation is proved by demonstrating all other correlations are false.
Nolan Wood
Do you realize you just posted a super-long rationalization of exactly what you've just received an education on why those rationalizations are nonsense?
>Clearly that was an attack on me You are correct. Come on, bud. I'm not being some faggy, cagey bitch. Don't be an eight year-old girl with "But I said Bass Turd, not bastard" logic, trying to tell mommy that she didn't say a swear. We both read your implications just fine. Don't do that faggy thing where you pretend that you're suddenly retarded and didn't mean the thing that you definitely meant, the second someone calls you on it.
Benjamin Scott
What? You continue to reply to my posts with irrelevant ramblings when I've my position has been closer to yours than not. You attacked me. Claimed you didn't attack me. And then agreed that I attacked you.
Asher Miller
>Well, since they all live in the same society
Blacks have made their own society in america. This is the problem, black need to learn in school and get decent jobs like the rest of us
Luke Perry
There is no proof those aren't correlated though, just an educated guess.
William Wilson
Correlation is the starting point of any statistical model that aims to predict something. Causation by itself is an artificial construct. You can model a variable as being caused by another one and as long as the model holds and has neat/good statistical properties, so be it, it doesn't necessarily have to make sense even though in practice it often will. You could indeed try to predict the expected number of shark attacks in a certain period by using ice cream sales as an explanatory variable for which you perhaps have an easier access to.
"Causation" is by itself a very strong philosphical issue if you will.
Robert Martin
Correlation isn't causation but it is a strong indicator. If we didn't allow for correlation to warrant an ersatz proof of a hypothesis we basically couldn't have science of any type. There's very little you can prove causally from an objective perspective.
Correlation isn't causation but in many cases it's as good as.