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>Maybe a slip of the tongue after an emotional conversation regarding Lyanna?

Highly doubt it.

> Maybe someone trustworthy finds information?

What info? It's been years, any midwives from the Tower are dead or have scattered to the point you'd have to explicitly track them down knowing what you want to know. And unless they have dna tests, they can't learn shit.

>Maybe guilt eats away at Ned, and he confesses to Catelyn?

He's been keeping it secret for like 14+ years, he's fine with the guilt by now after seeing how shitty Cat treats Jon

His proper name is Jon Sand you nub

Prove me wrong, between books and show, only three girls are fit for marriage to Jon Starkgaryen.

Dany

Yara

Sansa

Val, Margaery and Arya posters need not apply, Val doesn't exist in the show, Margaery's dead in the show, Arya's like 12 in the books and hasn't hit puberty.

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>those comments

>Arya's like 12 in the books and hasn't hit puberty.

So? Sansa is 13 or 14, yet on the show she's been married twice, probably a third one soon, and she's taking a good dicking every night for weeks in every hole.

>Highly doubt it.
Get enough drinks into him. And ask him "what really happened", and he could crumble,

>It's been years, any midwives from the Tower are dead or have scattered to the point you'd have to explicitly track them down
Ned can't keep track of the midwives, and determine if they're blabbing or not.
Also, Howland Reed is still alive.
And people with power like Littlefinger, and Varys can find information out.

>He's been keeping it secret for like 14+ years
Hey, that's no guarantee. That's 14 years of lying and guilt and emotional debt. You saw how much it eats him up when she brings up Jon's mother.

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It's really inappropriate for them to use the popularity of the show, in order to push their agenda. Tasteless.

>Get enough drinks into him. And ask him "what really happened", and he could crumble,

You'd have to already know to ask him about that already

>Ned can't keep track of the midwives, and determine if they're blabbing or not.

Been 14 years and not even a rumor, and it'd probably mean their deaths if they said anything and were party to Rhaegar's "rape" of Lyanna..

>Also, Howland Reed is still alive.

No one can even find Greywater Watch to find Howland, hasn't left the Neck since the War.

>And people with power like Littlefinger, and Varys can find information out.

They've had 14 years to figure it out or suspect and try and uncover anything, would've been even longer if Ned didn't choose to become Hand and Cat didn't want Jon to stay. They're not an actual problem.

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>So?

So Sansa's already flowered and is already getting womanly. Can get married and fuck right away

does disliking a comment even do anything on youtube?
if you like it it goes +1 but disliking doesn't seem to do anything at all. Is it just to reverse an accidental like?

Anyway, good thing people are beginning to wake up. GoT is as normie as it gets, and the comments seems to be 90% antirefugee, the most liked as well.

>You'd have to already know to ask him about that already
Not really. Ned is a bad liar. Anyone would be able to tell that he is withholding when recounting events. Especially a close friend like Robert.

>Been 14 years and not even a rumor, and it'd probably mean their deaths if they said anything and were party to Rhaegar's "rape" of Lyanna..
Would the honorable Ned allow them to be executed for his lie?

>No one can even find Greywater Watch to find Howland
All the more reason to be wary, because he can't know what Howland does or who he talks to.

>They're not an actual problem.
You think so? Remember that look Littlefinger gave Sansa when Sansa told the story of Lyanna? That look suggests he knows more. And who would have been more invested in destroying Ned than Littlefinger?

>that one redpilled absolute qt in the comments
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A lot of the comments are really overstating the barbarism among the refugees. I get the sentiment, but it's really hard to get people on your side when you paint with such a large brush. It really makes you appear bigoted. And then people resist you more.

>Not really. Ned is a bad liar.

He's a bad liar but everyone knows him to be honorable which is why everyone's fine with his bastard story.

>Would the honorable Ned allow them to be executed for his lie?

They'd be killed literally just for helping Rhaegar in Robert's eyes, defile Lyanna. Telling Robert gets themselves in trouble and gets them killed.

>because he can't know what Howland does or who he talks to.

He trusts Howland considering he didn't try and kill him or anything to keep the secret and Howland's even stayed completely out of most shit for the past decade+

>That look suggests he knows more.

That look might also mean nothing. And again, what proof would Littlefinger have and why wouldn't he have used it since before?

>And who would have been more invested in destroying Ned than Littlefinger?

Another Targaryen right there in Westeros would've sent the into war and caused chaos at the or near the beginning of the story, and yet Littlefinger does nothing with it? That'd be retarded, and it'd be a stroke of unimaginable pure luck and plot that Jon would become king and that info would be useful again for something

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>He's a bad liar but everyone knows him to be honorable which is why everyone's fine with his bastard story.
Perhaps most common people would believe the story straight. But Robert and Catelyn can read Ned better than that.

>Telling Robert gets themselves in trouble and gets them killed.
I don't think they would tell Robert of all people. they would likely gab to someone close, and then that person tells someone else, and then rumors start.

>He trusts Howland considering he didn't try and kill him or anything to keep the secret
What? Even if Ned didn't trust Howland to keep the secret, he still wouldn't attempt to kill him. He doesn't operate that way.
Ned likely has Howland's word. But again, over time and the ambiguity of absence, Ned can't know for sure. Having not seen or talked to a man for 10+ years, is more reason to wonder. Are bonds so strong, that they would last such a long time without contact?

>what proof would Littlefinger have and why wouldn't he have used it since before?
Who can say what little finger might or might not have, or why or why not he hasn't used it before. He's a mystery. Maybe he found love letters signed by Lyanna and Rhaegar? Maybe he found some traditional birth garb? Maybe he found old records of the birth? Maybe it's something I haven't thought of?

>Another Targaryen right there in Westeros would've sent the into war and caused chaos at the or near the beginning of the story,
Maybe he had all the chaosh he needed by killing Jon Arryn. And Jon's parentage was a juicy morsel he had on reserve?

>But Robert and Catelyn can read Ned better than that.

Cat's had years to try and get him drunk to do so and Robert doesn't seem to suspect much or try and pry, so unlikely

>they would likely gab to someone close

gab to someone else that yes they were there in the Tower where Rhaegar famously "raped" Lyanna? lol no.

>Are bonds so strong, that they would last such a long time without contact?

Considering after 14 years still not a peep out of him and still no rumors about anything, yes it can.

>Who can say what little finger might or might not have, or why or why not he hasn't used it before

You could say and speculate that about almost anyone. You have no proof that Littlefinger has anything and only pure speculation that he might know anything, have anything or can prove anything.

>Maybe he had all the chaosh he needed by killing Jon Arryn.

Could've done both. Tell Robert and somehow prove it, Robert wants to kill Jon, Ned will wanna defend him wage war. Jon arryn will hav wanna have them talk shit out and won't tell Robert what he learned since that'd spark more war and more unease, Littlefinger has killed, has Lysa blame the Lannisters. Now it looks like the Lannisters wanna kill off all of Robert's friends and take out some of the large Houses in their way to keeping a firm grip on the throne. At some point reveal to Robert how the kids aren't his, more war and chaos, etc.

But he didn't.

>And Jon's parentage was a juicy morsel he had on reserve?

Till fucking when?

It'd be ridiculous, immersion breaking plot that it'd become useful now that Jon is king.

>Cat's had years to try and get him drunk to do so and Robert doesn't seem to suspect much or try and pry
Both Cat and Robert pry about Ned's infidelity in the show. They are curious of the things Ned withholds even after all those years have passed.

>gab to someone else that yes they were there in the Tower where Rhaegar famously "raped" Lyanna? lol no.
Women talk about everything. Absolutely yes. Also, I doubt they were there for the rape. They're wet nurses. Their job isn't to hold Rhaegar's balls as he trusts.

>You could say and speculate that about almost anyone.
Nope. Littlefinger is the one character that has a personal vendetta against Ned, and the motivation to find any angle on him. He has the coin and men to hire informants. And that look he gave Sansa in the crypt is very suspicious. There is reason to suspect he know more than he lets on.

Why blow your load all at once in mass chaos? When you can create just enough chaos to get what you want? Littlefinger's plot worked well in removing Ned from the picture. He didn't need further disturbance to achieve that much.

>Till fucking when?
Likely a backup, in case he failed to get rid of Ned initially. He would have another bomb to throw. But since he didn't need it, he keeps it to himself. Jon just happening to become king, is merely a coincidence.

Everyone believed Ned about Jon being his bastard and there is no evidence that anybody questioned him. Obviously the fact that he was honorable and honest was a big part, but everyone also likely put it down to the stresses of war (where he might have died) and losing a lot of his family. Same thing happened to Robb when he fucked Jeyne after hearing about Bran and Rickon dying.

His name is Jon Starkgaryen.

Sand would be if his dad or something was a dornishman or he was primarily raised in Dorne.

Aegon IV's bastards had the bastard name of where their mothers were from and were primarily raised instead of where they were born for example.

She Wolves of Winterfell when

Beneath our gold, the bitter steel.

>Both Cat and Robert pry about Ned's infidelity in the show.

They asked a question, they didn't constantly question him or try and get him drunk to get info from him or use double speak or other people to try and get info from him or catch him fumbling. Cat tried asking at first first, he shut that down, and she stopped.

>Women talk about everything. Absolutely yes

Complete and sexist speculation m8. This info would absolutely get them killed if they told everyone. You don't even see people questioning or going after Wylla who was known to be Jon's wet nurse or the possible mother or her snitching about anything.

>And that look he gave Sansa in the crypt is very suspicious.

Or again, could mean nothing. He has shown absolutely nothing about knowing jackshit about Jon, doesn't bring anything up about Jon to Ned, Robert or anyone in the first season and continues not to.

>When you can create just enough chaos to get what you want?

Cause you can move faster and it's lot plainer to see and predict what might happen in broad strokes. It required a lot of other people's moves to keep the ball rolling and getting things done with just killing Jon. and it's not all at once, he could keep improvising after that. The Jon info literally only has use if and only if Robert is still alive or ultra coincidentally Jon becomes King in the North.

>Likely a backup, in case he failed to get rid of Ned initially

Failed how and fucking when? Ned already trusted him once he came and Robert was now dying.

I'm gonna stop all this baseless speculation and discussion now cause it'll lead fucking nowhere and too many hypotheticals.

When Aegon and his sisters were trying to conquer Dorne, why didn't they just burn fucking everything?

Every abandoned castle, every abandoned home, any dams built, any land you can farm on, burn it all. They flee, you burn and leave nothing for them to go back to.

Fuckers might stick to their mountains, but that's all they're gonna have afterwards even if they win.

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I guess because he wanted to bring Dorne into the realm, not leave it a wasteland worth nothing

isn't Jon canon suppose to be one of the hottest guys in the north? Must be the dragon blood

But eventually as you burn fucking everything. The Dornish have to realize it'll be a pyrrhic victory to continue resisting and just fleeing into their mountains to hide out and do raids to repel.

What good is defending your home when your home is burned? Pride won't shelter you or feed you.

>requiring a hole to have sex
get a load of this pleb, just defile her honor, hopes and dreams you filthy casual

In the show perhaps. In the books, back when he was among nobles in his age he is said to be an average looking Stark. If you want good looks you're gonna want to hook up with Robb/Bran/Sansa. Of course, we don't know how he looks compared to the Tully's now that he's 17.

preston

He looks like Ned through and through and Ned's not handsome, just plain and solemn.

Now Brandon, he was handsome, and tall and built. Lyanna's shit genes fucked up Rhaegar's 20/10 looks and 10/10 look genes

Not bringing him along was a great idea. Every time one of the dogs die it feels horrible.

Imagine if they have Ghost acting hostile towards Sansa next season and have her kill or poison Ghost as a precursor to betraying Jon

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Let's hope it doesn't come to that. He's one of the few ones left.
Arya's wolf should still be out there somewhere, shouldn't he?

>And then I got the scripts, and actually, he comes back as himself, as the Jon that everyone knows. Which at first I found disappointing. But it’s more subtle than that. He has an insight into what lies beyond that very few people in his world do, and that no one in our world does—he knows that there’s no afterlife. Which does quietly drive who he is and what he wants to do.

Wait, why do people keep saying this? Not even religious or believe in the afterlife, but I don't see how Jon coming back and having no recollection of anything since he died gives him real insight into whether there's an afterlife in Westeros or not.

It's our brains that let us perceive and remember things in the world, if the spirit were real and it passed to the other side and then came back into your body there's no reason you would know any different really. It's like when people die and are resuscitated in hospital or you regain consciousness, isn't it just like waking up and you don't remember events in between? Why would resurrection if it was possible be any different?

Not saying that someone living in the world/era Jon does should understand exactly how the brain works or he shouldn't be psychologically effected by dying and seeing nothing, I just think it's dishonest to behave like this is actual insight or knowledge. Whether the afterlife is real or not, it should be impossible to know either way.

>shouldn't he?

Nymeria's a she, but yes.

>"Let me tell you something about wolves, child. When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives. Summer is the time for squabbles. In winter, we must protect one another, keep each other warm, share our strengths. So if you must hate, Arya, hate those who would truly do us harm. Septa Mordane is a good woman, and Sansa … Sansa is your sister. You may be as different as the sun and the moon, but the same blood flows through both your hearts. You need her, as she needs you … and I need both of you, gods help me."

You know nothing Sandra Bolton

You entire argument is based on the fallacy of "well it hasn't happened yet, therefore it won't happen". You're looking at it from the perspective that since everything just happens to be working out for Ned thus far, then nothing could possibly go wrong. Despite all of these speculative factors which COULD cause things to go wrong.

Someone who isn't so blindly trusting to fate of convenient happenstance, would fear unforeseen circumstances biting them, and by extension their loved one, in the ass. And so, they act with precaution.

It doesn't make sense to just pray and hope that you never slip and reveal the truth, Howland Reed never speaks the truth, the wet nurses never speak the truth, no one stumbles across any records, and that all tracks have been tidily covered from the eyes of the prying. Even 14 some odd years later, things can go wrong. That's why precautions would be taken.

This is why you lost Nam faggot

Well sure but the problem here is that world religions have largely sided with the people claiming to have experienced shit like the afterlife and claim to have memories from it even though it doesn't make any sense why somebody could have memories of an experience that by definition takes place away from their physical body.

It's actually a real problem that humanity could face if we somehow managed to reanimate a dead body. The first question we would ask is what happens after death but really there's no way we could trust the persons experience considering what goes on inside the human brain during death.

And you're entire argument is based on "someone might some how stumble on it even after all these years" "someone might question it even though no one so far has enough to investigate anything", "someone might tell even though for the past 14 years no one's said shit and no one's hinted at anyone saying shit and "oh well Littlefinger hates Ned and looked at Sansa so he probably does know and has known since forever and just hasn't had the need to reveal it."

Complete and baseless speculation

I don't know where to start with this

'Nam is a jungle. Dorne is a fucking desert.

You'd have to kill the trees in 'Nam to get anybody out, starve anyone out or try and get through it safely.

Not so with desert, in a desert, you destroy shit they need to survive and have as shelter, they stayed fucked for a good while. eventually they have dissent in their ranks cause they can either wait and do raids but let everything keep getting destroyed, choose to meet in open field to stop Aegon's forces, or bend the fucking knee to save what's left.

In the books, no. The Starks are not a terribly attractive group of people and Jon is one of them. Brandon was built and he was attractive for that and Lyanna was kind of a wild beauty (her personality is always mentioned in descriptions of her beauty so that likely played a role).

The rest of the Stark kids who came out with the Tully look were supposed to be attractive though. And funny enough I think Theon was supposed to be one of the hottest guys in the North and he ended up strange looking in the show.

I get the feeling that after a certain point it's not worth the effort it would take to really destroy something. Especially if you're trying to gain the allegiance of that something you might end up destroying.

cause nobody has ever lost a guerrilla war in a desert before

Question- did the cinematic spectacle of tBoB make up for how retarded it was? It was amazing, if you don't think about it.

Does spectacle ever make up for something being retarded?

Batman vs superman was visually beautiful the vast majority of the movie and that didn't stop it from being wet garbage.

and I say that as somebody that saw the extended version

Again, Ned gets questioned about Jon's true mother all the time. He got in a spat with his wife over the matter. It's even implied that the time we see her bring it up in the show, isn't the only time. That was just one time of many. Even her asking affects Ned a great deal.

There's at least 3 other people who FOR SURE know about Jon. Just out there. And what about the time Lyanna was pregnant. You're telling me no information leaked with Rhaegar, and his people travelling to and form the tower? No stray letters or documents?

Littlefinger is just an example of a person who might have an interest in these kinds of things. Whether he knows or not, isn't really the matter. The matter, is if Ned has a real fear that someone mind want to find out. And the answer is yes. There are people who would pursue such information, if it every came to be known. So should Ned just hope that time washed away all evidence?

Yeah this is really my problem with it, the presentation was fantastic but the actions of the characters was totally retarded.

>praising YouTube commenters

Is this why people hate Sup Forums?

True, but past a certain point I'd just wind up destroying everything so they can never rise up against me to get revenge, at least military wise. Can't stop every assassin obviously.

Did they have dragons and kept "salting" the earth everywhere they went?

Cause I'm not just going deeper and deeper into Dorne doing fuck all so I can get surrounded.

Anybody got a link to that video where Tommen kills himself with the record scratch?

Dragons would be amazingly useful against sieges or standing armies, but against thousands of people scattered across a whole kingdom? How are they gonna be any use at all?

>Ned gets questioned about Jon's true mother all the time

And yet still Cat doesn't know, she still doesn't suspect much about Jon's mother when it comes to Lyanna or Rhaegar, and no one else cares enough to investigate anything.

>You're telling me no information leaked with Rhaegar, and his people travelling to and form the tower? No stray letters or documents?

There literally haven't been and there's been no sign that anyone who wasn't at the Tower knows or suspects enough to know and investigate anything. People even speculate Wylla is the mother, but not enough to hammer her with questions to get anything out of her, nor do they question the daughter of the guy who helped sneak Ned North by boat who they also think might've been the mother.

>The matter, is if Ned has a real fear that someone mind want to find out. And the answer is yes.

Yes he might fear it, but that doesn't mean it's not still retarded to rob Jon of a life and as I said last thread,

>If he tells Jon only after, his whole life is a lie and Jon may very well have decided to break his oaths and flee and now be wanted. Ned may be forced to kill his own nephew

Ned would've still fucked up. And even Jon being at the Wall might not mean shit. Robert might very well still wanna kill him coming from a guy who dreams of killing Rhaegar every night and is still hung up on Lyanna, or some guy at the Wall might wanna kill him just to get some reward in their mind for killing Rhaegar's son. Even with the oaths, people might still think Jon could be a threat to be rallied behind.

>but against thousands of people scattered across a whole kingdom?

I'm not attacking the people. I'm attacking all of their palaces, cities, towns, settlements, homes, farms, anything they use for fresh water, etc.

I'm razing Dorne. They can have their mountains and desert. I'm fucking the rest of their shit that they would normally live in and make a living and life from.

Tywin Lannister burned the Riverlands to find a small band of rebels and couldn't even achieve that. Imagine trying that against a whole kingdom?

>I'm not attacking the people. I'm attacking all of their palaces, cities, towns, settlements, homes, farms, anything they use for fresh water, etc.
That counts as attacking people. And again, if you're trying to bring them into the fold huge massacres of common folk is a terrible idea.

>And yet still Cat doesn't know
Again. It's fallacious to think that because Ned hasn't crumbled yet, that he will never crumble. What if Cat puts more pressure on him? What if she won't drop it, no matter how much of an angry display he puts on?
As soon as he drops Lyanna's name, then immediately Rhaegar's involvement will become apparent.

>There literally haven't been
Again with the fallacy, dude. Look, just because haven't gotten in a car accident yet, doesn't mean you never will. It would be really foolish to assume that you can go riding around without a safety belt, because "I'm good at driving, and I never got in an accident before".
Precautions are put in place to prevent the unforeseen.

>but that doesn't mean it's not still retarded to rob Jon of a life and as I said last thread,
Life on the wall, as dreary as it may be, is still life. Service on the wall is an honor among the Starks. It's a way for Jon to contribute to the Starks name even though he's a bastard.

Also, The chances of Jon finding out his true parentage, and abandoning the wall because of the revelation, is incredibly small. I wonder why you even think that's a outcome worth discussing. It's far more likely that if Jon isn't at the wall, and he happens to find out, then Robert would have him killed. Because Jon would actually be able to inherit titles and lands.

>Robert might very well still wanna kill him coming from a guy who dreams of killing Rhaegar every night and is still hung up on Lyanna
Mayhaps. But the chances are far less likely. Considering that Aemon remains at the wall undisturbed.
Precautions aren't absolute. They're only ways to mitigate bad fortune.

Did Tywin have massive dragons and the rest of the kingdoms at his back?

And he was dealing with a land with plenty of rivers and resources to at least try and sustain yourself on and get better. If I fuck up all the towns and cities these desert people normally lived in, how long can they really sustain themselves? How long is it gonna take to rebuild? How many will die in the meantime? How many will have lost so much they can't recover? How long can they last on whatever they brought with them to the mountains or can find there?

And again, not trying to find to stop rebels, just destroying everything until they either come out and bend the knee, or everything major's destroyed. I'm fine with either one.

This is why Tywin was a terrible military leader, he tried all these tactics in the Riverlands.

He only won because of Jewish backstabbing.

>Did Tywin have massive dragons and the rest of the kingdoms at his back?
Dragons have limitations and the Targs also had to control the rest of the kingdom, spending time and effort just to destroy Dorne (which would obviously make the Dornish angry but also likely displease other lords) would be a bad waste of time and terrible strategy.

She looks exactly like my friends ex on this pic

Tywin burning the Riverlands was one of the most ridiculous plots of the books. He didn't know Robert would just suddenly die right after he's basically attacking his king. By all means Robert should have just executed the fucker.

>It's fallacious to think that because Ned hasn't crumbled yet, that he will never crumble.

It's highly improbable that he'll ever crumble. Shows no signs even after all these years and neither does Cat about tying to get more and more, even after 14+ years. If your argument has to rely on extremely improbable shit, then it's retarded.

>Look, just because haven't gotten in a car accident yet, doesn't mean you never will.

Again, probability. Shit hasn't, is it plausible, sure, sure is hitting the jackpot multiple times in a row, or getting murdered any old day, should I live my life like that? Should Ned? No, especially when all signs point to no problems.

>Life on the wall, as dreary as it may be, is still life. Service on the wall is an honor among the Starks

It's a shit life that he brainwashed into Jon. Jon wanted kids, Jon wanted a wife, does Ned care, fuck no, he lets the Wall seem like some nice place where it's actually shit and he resigns Lyanna's son to a place he could die on any ranging party since he has the skills that'd likely make him a ranger. Jon's entire life would've been a lie, even getting him to the Wall was all part of that lie and manipulation.

> I wonder why you even think that's a outcome worth discussing

Cause's he's not a stark, cause turns out Ned's a lying manipulative asshole, cause his life is a lie, cause all the stories about the Wall are a lie, cause this was all a trick to give him a shit life, cause fuck Ned, cause he always wanted kids and a wife and Ned pretty much stole that from him, cause he could've been something else somewhere else but Ned raised him not to, cause he always wanted to know about his mom and Ned waits until he's stuck somewhere he doesn't even be to tell him.

>Considering that Aemon remains at the wall undisturbed.

Aemon is an old man, Jon is the son of the man Bobby dreams about killing every night and thinks raped Lyanna hundreds of times and killed her.

>huge massacres of common folk is a terrible idea.

The common folk abandoned the cities and towns. There is no massacre, at least not an outright one

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. I understand why Jon and the people surrounding him would be uneducated enough to believe he has the answer and be traumatized as fuck by that. Fuck, people still look at it that way today like you said and that's basically what's happening here. Not criticizing what's actually in the show.

I just think it's dumb that the actors and showrunners are making statements about it outside the show, and treating Jon's experience as if it's really confirmed for a fact there is no afterlife in Westeros when it hasn't really.

Jon's experience only works as an answer to that question if the audience/writers views it through the lens of that faulty religious logic you were talking about, which is kind of absurd when the conclusion is meant to reject that notion in the first place with it's answer.

It comes across dishonest that way, like Dabid maybe being a believer himself and giving his own idea of what the edgy, nihilistic answer to this question tailored to a show like GoT would be without being a deep enough thinker himself to realize the method he "revealed" it realistically makes no difference.

Of course I'm talking about the show/books here, it's kind of fascinating when you apply it to the real world like you put it. I agree that reanimating a dead body wouldn't tell us anything, but that wouldn't stop people from treating their answer like fact.

*Oh, and Jon already showed he'd break his vows when he wanted to ride South

A girl is now no one. Now leave the house of too many faces and get your personell revenge.

Not him, but his real name being Jon Sand makes no sense. Jon being born "somewhere" in the south isn't a secret like him being Rhaegar/Lyanna's child, so his bastard name must come from where he was raised rather than his alleged birthplace. So changing it to Sand makes no more sense after R+L=J than it did before it.

Did Jon have nice enough weather to march to Winterfell because of Shireen's sacrifice or had the magic window cleared? Because if that was still in effect he better feel guilty as shit sleeping in his comfy castle at night.

Didnt she get recognized as no one and then says
-Na, fuck this shit, turns out I still want to be Arya-?

Oh, true, my bad. I hope they get reunited soon now that a girl is nearby. And I hope it's not just to save her butt and to kick the bucket only.

Yep, and then she went on a killing spree. Again.

What did Viserys actually do that was so bad? If he learnt to control his temper he'd have been a pretty good king.

He was a misogynist who thought women shouldn't rule :^)

If Sansa killed Ghost the audience would want her head.

don't be ridiculous. dildo&dogshit probably forgot it's winter and that this is not the battle for sunspear

He was kind of an spoiled asshole.

More like Game of Queens, am I rite?

And if Stannis killed Shireen the audience would want his head. Look what happened there.

They want us to hate her before she betrays Jon.

How's Jon gonna react when R+L=J comes out.

Is he gonna think Ned was right or wrong in how he raised and treated him?

If Ned had sent him away to be fostered somewhere or learn some trade, right now Jon could've had a wife and a child or two of his own and a much simpler and happier life for himself. Would've never had to kill his brothers, would've never had to kill men he admired, would've never had to choose between his vows and Ygritte, would've never had and lost her, wouldn't have had to do nothing but fight since he left Winterfell, wouldn't have gotten stabbed, would've never died.

They'd have to kill Brienne to get to Sansa. It's a slippery slope if it goes that route.

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needs more terminator 2 music.

That assumes Brienne gets there before Sansa get executed, or that Brienne herself won't turn against Sansa cause she asks something dishonorable of Brienne that releases her from her vow

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