Could a directly elected President of Europe

be the solution to the inaptitude of the EU?

If all the people vote for a president and he or she would then form a government which would replace the EU Commission, there would finally be democracy in the EU. This president would not be a puppet of Merkel or other states and if we handed that president actual powers such as protecting EU borders and fighing youth unemployment and negotiating trade agreements and providing EU legislation proposals, the EU might actually again work.

So why don't we have a directly elected EU President?

I totally agree. Also, all member countries should have equal representation in the parlament, unlike what happens now, where big countries rule over the smaller ones (lookin at you Germs)

>Also, all member countries should have equal representation in the parlament, unlike what happens now, where big countries rule over the smaller ones (lookin at you Germs)
How is this supposed to work?

Personally I think the EU Parliament should be similar to the US House of Representatives, based on 1 representative per 1 million people.

In the EU Council, it is and should remain to be 1 country per 1 representative. It would be great if that representative is also voted into the Council by the people of each country.

Absolutely motherfucking not

no, because I'll never accept some italian as my president no matter what.
Sorry buddy, but unless my guy gets elected I dont recognise his authority and I'm gonna hate him with every fiber of my being.
Europe is too fragmented for an election to work.
What will you do if some french guy gets voted for by 50 million french people and barely anybody else and he still wins?
Fuck that

Fuck off kike, dismantle the union, kill all germans

Just no, you fucking cuck

>Absolutely motherfucking not
Please explain so we can have a discussion-

>because I'll never accept some italian as my president no matter what.
Understood, but you currently have a guy from Luxembourg as your president... and didn't even have a vote on him.

>Europe is too fragmented for an election to work.
But we have elections already and as a result the elected parliament pics a president. The only difference would be that we would vote for the EU parliament AND for a president.

>Fuck off kike, dismantle the union, kill all germans
Yes, that would be best. But let us assume the EU remains as is, why not make it better?

Why don't we just acknowledge that the EU will never work. Europeans differ too much to have common ways of life and opinions to form legislation

Fuck off with that 1 million per rep. That's how you germs control the hole fucking EU. That is not equality between states. I should always be 1 rep per country no matter what, so any country can have a voice. Fucking germany is always trying to hold onto their power.
Also, yes, the president should be elected in a rotating way, where we can't have a president from the same nationality 2 times in a row.

>Eating your jewelry with a fork instead of your hands
Fucking eurotrash really are cucked

You're right, the US is a perfect example of democracy. Fucking germans

Yes, lets elect this proud englishman to lead Europe to a better future

LETS MAKE THE EU WORK AGAIN

But then you poorfag countries would just vote money into your pockets

>Why don't we just acknowledge that the EU will never work. Europeans differ too much to have common ways of life and opinions to form legislation

Because, regardless of what Sup Forums says, the vast majority of Europeans want to keep the EU around. So why not make it better?

Right now we have an EU Commission President who is voted into office by the EU Parliament. Why not change that and have him directly elected by the people? We would not add a new function of the EU, we would just stop having a government shill in power and start to have someone the majority of EU citizens have voted for. Why is that bad?

>I should always be 1 rep per country no matter what,
That is why I said, there is an EU council with 1 representative per state.

Only a majority in the EU Parliament and a supermajority of 60% in the EU council can pass laws.

absolutely not, EU must burn and your corporations shall have to pay import taxes on your products to be able to access foreign markets

That's just nonsense.
Following your train of thought, then Germany, for example, would have 8 times the voting power of Portugal cause (we have 10 mil and you guys have 80). Where's the equality between states?

Just don´t listen to people who don´t believe in the European dream. We will be united as one. Deal with it humanity

>Following your train of thought, then Germany, for example, would have 8 times the voting power of Portugal cause (we have 10 mil and you guys have 80). Where's the equality between states?

How does that work? So Germany has 1 representative in the EU Council and Portugal also 1. They vote. If Germans are part of the 40% minority and Portugal in the 60% majority, then Germany loses and Portugal wins.

I don't get your argument.

>Just don´t listen to people who don´t believe in the European dream. We will be united as one. Deal with it humanity

Thanks, not to mention that we could have someone like Trump campaigning and be voted into office as EU President. And finally Europe could get uncucked for real.

Couldn't agree more, my spanish brother.
I personally defend the creation of some kind of United States of Europe, where we europeans would rule over the world (economically speaking). The only hurdle here is the fact that germs and people who "rule" europe atm, wouldn't like to have equal representation to a country smaller than theirs.

God damn it, user. How dare you?! Don't you know anything about Europe?

You have to hate America not model your form of government after them! Why would you want to model yourselves after the greatest country in the history of the world?!

How dare you, user?! How dare you?

>we
your entire purpose is to fund megalomania coming out of frankfurt and berlin

the trade imbalance that's been going on is beyond redemption

Which basically is what happens. Everywhere.

Someone like Trump wouldn´t win in EU elections. I´m confident about it.

You said in the beginning
>Personally I think the EU Parliament should be similar to the US House of Representatives, based on 1 representative per 1 million people.

Which I totally disagree, firstly because US is not a true democracy, and second of all because of what I stated before:
>Following your train of thought, then Germany, for example, would have 8 times the voting power of Portugal cause (we have 10 mil and you guys have 80). Where's the equality between states?

You do know, that the EU is already modeled after the US model?

The only true exception is that there aren't enough directly elected representatives.

The EU Commission President is the equivalent of the US President. While he has no miliatary power, he has all the executive power on legislation etc. that the US President has. But he is not elected directly by the people, but by the EU Parliament.

The EU Parliament is elected by the people in all EU states.

And then the EU Council is the EU "Senate". Unfortunately, its reps are also not elected directly in the states, but are members of the governments in the states, such as prime ministers or chancellors or presidents of the states or their ministers.

>United States of Europe

>Someone like Trump wouldn´t win in EU elections. I´m confident about it.
Who is Norbert Hofer?

>EU Parliament is elected by the people in all EU states
considering the distribution of seats, only the biggest cunts can push whatever they wish through it and the whole charade looks like the democracy in USSR

No. The German scum will never triumph. You lost two times in the past and you will loose again.
Its all I have to say.

And in the south countries we have left-wing politians like them

Yes, the the only way to be somehow relevant is to stay united (maybe not all 28, we could start with the founding members and a few more)
plus if any of you had ever taken a look at an history book you would have noticed every fuckin time Europe is not together there some war going on between its states, let's stop killing each others my eurobros

He wouldn't, because if people started to vote for him (like they did in the US) a whole campaign would start (like they did/do in the US) against him, which wouldn't let him win EU elections mainly because we're cucks. We've always been. All of Europe. A. Cuck. Just one though. We're one, right?

yes, goy, let's legislate all the smaller members out of existence and rape them out of their resources and whatever capital is still left over

I agree, there's no equality between states.

>could the solution to Europe be another EU figure
I hope you all burn

Hopefully we could protect our capital, Brussels, from terrorist attacks

I rather live piss poor with my culture and integrity intact than live in the united states of europe

how did you draw that conclusion from what i said
plus Luxemburg, Belgium and the Netherlands are rather small and yet founding memebers

Then you must be fucking retarded cause why would you prefer to live poor than to live in the most powerfull country in the world?? everyone in europe would benefit from it, if it were a true democracy and true equality.

sick trips, maar te laat, Noord Morokko

doesn't matter because smaller members cannot do anything that isn't in line with the wishes/dictate of larger members while the opposite is very true

>>could the solution to Europe be another EU figure
>I hope you all burn
The EU Commission President already exists. He is just not elected by the people.

So fuck off.

>dismantle eurozone
>keep free trade or univerasaly 10% tarrifs between european countries
>kick out all illegal faggots
>absolute profit

there it is

>>dismantle eurozone
then what? Then countries have their own currencies which they then manipulate? How does this help anyone?

The Eurozone is basically "Bretton Woods II" - instead of going the easy route of currency manipulation, countries have to compete the hard way by actually reforming.

>>keep free trade or univerasaly 10% tarrifs between european countries
Tariffs don't even exist with China. Why would you establish them between European countries?

>>kick out all illegal faggots
Yes. But this has not much to do with the EU. Except if you mean kicking out all the EU citizens leaches that come to Germany, like Greeks or Romanians or Bulgarians etc. I am all for kicking them all out. Plus kicking out all the Turks and Serbs and Russians and pretty much everyone who isn't a German.

Unfortunately, this will not happen.

>>absolute profit
No, it is more likely all this will leach to a large scale depression.

You should split europe in electors for a legislative chamber (Senators only) and then they elect a president with Executive powers for 1-2 years and then select another.
Presidents cannot be chosen consecutively (it always goes to someone else), you can be chosen again after someone else's period.

Power of the Senate: They uphold all the power EU Countries-Estates decide to delegate
Power of the President or Consul (kek): All the powers the senate decides to delegate or the people of the EU decides directly ( by exceptional methods only)

All written in a EU constitution.
The president can be removed By 2/3 or any other legit cause
Parties are not allowed, they represent the same country.


I picture something like this, but you could balkanize it more,arround 108 senators.
I shouldn't be THAT related to population desu, it would be the same of now

Federation up already to beat russia yurocucks

>The Eurozone is basically "Bretton Woods II" - instead of going the easy route of currency manipulation, countries have to compete the hard way by actually reforming.

Not all countries have the same industries, not all countries have the same infrastructure, not all countries have the know-how or the capital to start competing companies, and those who already have it are untouchable by competition.

>Tariffs don't even exist with China. Why would you establish them between European countries?

Tarrifs should exist between all countries because of trade defecits. Is it wise for a nation to bleed its GDP out to a different nation (via the company that exports and gets taxed etc etc) for the sake of fat cats? No fucking way. I'd prefer this amount of money from tarrifs to be spent by the repsective governments in R&D than just hand it over to stockholders

>Yes. But this has not much to do with the EU. Except if you mean kicking out all the EU citizens leaches that come to Germany, like Greeks or Romanians or Bulgarians etc. I am all for kicking them all out. Plus kicking out all the Turks and Serbs and Russians and pretty much everyone who isn't a German.

Well you should kick them out. If i was a German doctor, i wouldn't want to compete with a Greek doctor on the basis of salary because i will lose the position every single time.

>No, it is more likely all this will leach to a large scale depression.

Nope, it is going to lead to healthier competition. Do you understand the massive leaps that were made between 70s and late 90s? Do they even compare to anything we have done from 2000 up to 2016? Get your brain to think a bit rather than parroting the narrative m8.

>dismantle eurozone
your cunt had that chance and blew it be it out of successful fearmongering or geriatric shortsightedness but it is what it is

our cunt minister (Tsipras) is a champaigne marxist. What did you expect?

No. Because the president will be a socialist, a Jew, or a socialist Jew.

I expected your people voting for the opposite but judging from your pop pyramid you never stood a chance as those with most to lose are also the most numerous voters (retirees, nearing retirement and gov't workers) who'd rather cannibalize their youth than admit defeat in policy of eternal indetment

This, actually

Mate, the majority of the people know fuckall about politics, policies and their consequences. They support parties as if they were soccer teams. And from what i see, it's the same fucking thing everywhere around the world.

Empty promises of free gibs will always beat rational thinking and true right wing parties

Yes but transitioning would be hell and you need a bicameral legislature like we have or germany will just rule everything

Basically forming any kind if new government or amending constitution or anything other irreversible government structure is a terrible fucking idea in this climate

Conservatives who want reform in this day and age have no fucking clue what they'd be getting

Absolutely fickin not
Eternal Kraut, I see you are trying to ruin everything yet again
Why cant you just stay in German Caliphate, get raped by Ahmed, and do not try to create yet another world war?

Also:
>So why don't we have a directly elected EU President?
Because "we" do not have a law about that

Well, the idea of EU as a federal state would not be that bad if it was not led by some fucking idiot like Angela Merkel. The Union is not meant to be a charity organisation.

Fucking Germans oust her already.

And eastern free riders can fuck off. You get billions of euro in cohesion funds and still you cannot fucking develop an efficient economy.

cohesion funds are for infrastructure projects like railroads, highways, power grids etc, not to pump into selected industries

NO

The nation state remains the true foundation of happiness and harmony

The European union was a union between Europeans. Now that africans and muslims have been added to the equation people want out.

The EU lasted just as long as parasite nations thought that Germany had money. Now that it looks like we're doomed, all of them are squirming off like fleas on a dying dog.

This is such bullshit.

Its not a European union if you open the borders to non Europeans. Liberals destroyed the union not europeans