Genuine arguments against Trump? Seems pretty based to be, but it's always good to hear other viewpoints

Genuine arguments against Trump? Seems pretty based to be, but it's always good to hear other viewpoints

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HES A WHITE MALE

Racist.
All of his companies went bankrupt.
Is a Big Wall street executive.

He talks like a fucking moron.

What's the point? I could present to you a 1000 page book on everything wrong with Trump and you'll either throw some memes at me or just plain ignore it.

This is Sup Forums after all.

I am willing to listen if you'll talk. Nobody's perfect but he's not establishment, he's not PC, and he's not globalist. Those three traits together are a shocking rarity.

the only thing that seems genuine that I've seen is his lack of experience in politics and foreign policy

which he can just get a VP for

Of all of them Racist is actually the weakest. Ask any shillary supporter what is actually racist about him and they freeze up. Its hillarious to watch.

>I could present to you a 1000 page book on everything wrong with Trump

I'll be perfectly happy with just one page. Just one. Point out what's wrong with him.

>Racist.
>All of his companies went bankrupt.
>Is a Big Wall street executive.

I like you user.

He is a pro-tranny supporters, therefore degenerate. Ted Cruz should have won this and kill all trannies.

Some of his opinions are too vague. Better than Hillary though.

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real weebs put next to animu look extra hideous. it's like the 2d emphasizes their real life ugliness

He doesnt believe in climate change and wants to bring back the coal industry. Ahe also said he wants to keep and expand US torture program.

He believes getting multiple vaccine shots at once gives kids autismo.

If you'll listen and not scream shill, I'll bite

1)I don't think he's a conservative. There's no doubt people can change, even drastically and in a short period of time, but I'm not buying it. It got some press after Scalia's death, but has mostly fizzled out. We're looking at replacing 2 Justices, and possibly more if it's two terms. This is very important and will have long-term ramifications

2)Foreign policy. People love to shriek "globalist," especially here, but America definitely has a role to play. And in this area the President has some incredible power in dictating policy. I don't think this is where you can just learn on the job.

3)His supporters. Obviously it's important to separate internet shitposters and real life political activists, but there's a not insignificant overlap. FOr the same reason I deride the cultish Sandernistas, I apply to the Trumpettes. They care far more for the man than the country. They are also incredibly low-information who probably have never even taken a high school civics class. This is not how a republic should be treated.

There's a handful of other issues, but I'm willing to chalk it up to campaign rhetoric, it happens. And the funny thing is that it wouldn't take all that much to get me on board. He's said he will be releasing a shortlist of potential SC nominees, and I look forward to that. And were he to pick a politician who has served in the military or defense committee, or what have you, that would definitely assuage my fears (no, not Webb you idiots).

I don't care if he's not "establishment," a word that has lost all meaning this election. I don't care if he's not "PC," which is an odd claim considering he loves Bruce Jenner. And "globalist" is a ridiculous criticism when there''s the simple fact that America has certain duties to various countries, and vice versa.

I'm hardly one of those NeverTrumps, but he needs to do some more to secure my vote. And it's not even that much.

He's often inconsistent and it comes off like he's making it up as he goes along.
His brand is borderline fraudulent; he portrays himself as an astute businessman when his fortune was built almost entirely on promoting and licensing his name, which isn't the kind of business experience most Americans care about.
The wall is stupid. Most illegals come through overstaying visas or through tunnels, and if thousands of miles of desert doesn't keep the rest out then building a wall in that desert isn't going to either. It's a waste of resources and manpower, and it will be completely useless.
His views on trade are laughably grade-school, and if he starts fucking with our trade policy in the way he's talking about, it will be horrible for the economy.
He's extremely thin skinned and rude to others, generally unlikable, which is a huge detriment when trying to govern and even worse in international relations. This one is under appreciated. Ability to work with others is probably the number one or number two most important quality when governing a republic.
He comes from the elite and entitled class that has been ruining this country.
He's one of the most litigious people in America, and his support and use of eminent domain is tyrannical.
His foreign policy is vague and undeveloped. Something about America being like it was in WWII, but while being openly hostile to our allies. It doesn't really make any sense and he comes across as completely ignorant on the subject.

Hard to find, aren't they? Listen to what Rand Paul had to say about Trump. Personally I disagree with Trump's policy on domestic spying and use of torture.

These are the points that Bush and Cruz made, which are mostly false. The only one that you made that I'm not sure about is
>The wall is stupid. Most illegals come through overstaying visas or through tunnels...
Is that really true? Can you back that up with sources? Also, Trump stated that the wall doesn't need to be built in the thousands of miles of desert.

> this

Bump, because I'd like a response.

>and his support and use of eminent domain is tyrannical
Another major problem I have with Trump that I didn't mention.

I'm a Trump supporter but I rather dislike:
-Disregard for environment
-Saying vaccines cause autism
-pro-NSA

Clinton is still more qualified for the office. An interesting anecdote communicated to me was in how she rarely needed State Department briefs on the internal details when visiting a country. A passionate student, she retained information from one visit to the next and typically knew the political details long before arriving. She got on very well with foreign leaders and worked tirelessly around the world building and rebuilding our relationships. She saw amazing results in places like Myanmar and in our now improved relationships with our key European leaders.

Rubio and Bush attempted to nail him for eminent domain and that but it ended up backfiring. Trump is right: you need eminent domain. The interstate highways you use wouldn't exist without it.

Wow, this made me change my mind.

I am now a #CruzMissile!

>label
>no actual argument on why he's bad
>supporters not the policies
What about doing what OP asked and criticize some of his policies?

>libya
>syria
>yemen

Yeah she's done a great job

What's wrong with coal?

I don't hate him, but I can list off a few concerns.

He represents a trend towards a protectionist, mercantilist economy instead of a free trade one. Some of us - even white conservatives - don't think being white entitles you to a job. You have to earn it.

>his foreign policy is incoherent. He supports the interventions Obama didn't make, but decries those he did. There's no consistency. Less of an issue to me since the economy is more important.

>I doubt he'll cut the size of government or lower the debt, which I consider the two largest threats to the republic.

A president Clinton is another Obama term. A president Trump is not as predictable but I think his intentions are genuine and he wouldn't do anything to damage the Trump "brand". Personally, I'm willing to place my bet on Trump because western nations around the world are being destroyed by liberal governments.

- Supports PATRIOT act / NSA spying

- Has no concept of behaving morally superior to your enemies, which is why he's basically willing to go full ISIS on ISIS (ie intentionally target civilians, use torture even if it doesn't work)

- For some reason he thinks anyone should give a shit about North Korea and Iran, when they literally never even do anything

- The whole lunatic conspiracy shit like vaccines causing autism

Basically his primary flaw is that he thinks anything is justified to combat a threat like ISIS. I don't even give a shit about what he does to shitskins, but those policies also affect citizens, innocent people, etc.

That's all I have. I support him though, because the pros outweight the cons by far.

Stop creating context jew. Kojima exposed your tactics years ago.

This, plus

>his views on libel laws are hilariously anti-free speech
>he opposes net-neutrality

That was very insightful. I suppose I haven't really thought about foreign policy all that much, but I can hope that between good advisors and his deal-making experience things'll be OK.

It provides about 45% of USA's electricity. It's the dirtiest form of energy. The reason why eating fish gives you mercury poisoning is because of all the coal burning. But we can't close the coal power plants until we have an alternative.

SUPER PREDATORS

Why should being non-white boost your chance of getting a job?

From my understanding Iceland is extremely degenerate. How you holding up?

I hear 1 and 3 a lot, so I'll ask you... who cares if he's not "conservative"? And 3 really isn't that true. It's more of a meme pushed by the media.

Thorium when

"""""""""free""""""""" speech

>- Has no concept of behaving morally superior to your enemies, which is why he's basically willing to go full ISIS on ISIS (ie intentionally target civilians, use torture even if it doesn't work)

Did you know that we bombed and killed german civilians like crazy in the 40's?
Fun as fuck tbqh wish i coulda dropped a couple hundred bombs

His fortune comes from construction, not only the brand recognition.
All the others are lies as well, I don't even know how shills come up with this thing.

>he opposes net-neutrality
Net neutrality was passed before the public got a chance to read what the legislation said. A safe default is to be against it until after you have a chance to examine it.

It shouldn't, I dont care what race you are. You get a job based on your qualifications as in a pure meritocracy. Free trade benefits Americans more than it hurts them because it increases wealth and keeps prices low. I don't think it's the responsibility of Americans to lose per capita wealth just to increase employment in dying industries.

>net-neutrality
>because shutting off the internet from countries under ISIS domain is bad

or point out when he said mexicans are rapists.

I don't think we can do that now, and it would be a bad idea to give the government that kind of power. They will SAY that it's to stop child pornography and terrorism, but will use it to stop "hate speech" and "anti-government dissent".

>A: "Trump supports thing that I dislike"
>B: "Did you know we did the thing you dislike in the 1940s, therefore we should do it again."

???????

Never said that

You're retarded
All that faggot said is trump isn't a neocon shill and that America has a foreign policy that is active in the world. Instead of looking at the pretty words next time try and decode them

I support Trump but I wish he would favor cutting spending more, especially for programs like social security and medicare. If he did support cutting those things, he wouldn't be able to say it publucly as it would lose him the election

I've never understood the meme of being morally superior to your enemies. Like who the fuck cares?

If I go into a gun battle with ISIS and I try to be morally superior and say "oh I will only shoot at them if they shoot at me first!" or some other bullshit, then wtf is the point of me even going to fight in the first place? They are going to open fire and blow my brains out. You absolutely have to strike first. Fuck being "morally superior". It's such a crock of shit. Fight dirty. Do what you have to in order to win.

It's the "good guys vs bad guys" dilemma. People don't realize there is no good vs bad.

See, this is what I'm talking about. You claim I'm not addressing OP, but it's you who's not listening to me.

Right now, there's nothing to suggest he'll appoint judges who will adhere to the constitution. It's not a living a document and I want a justice like Roberts and Scalia.

I think he has a very tenuous grasp on the intricacies of politicking on a global stage in the 21st century. You don't just cut your losses and defund NATO. You don't just start trade wars willy nilly with major economic powers.

>who cares if he's not "conservative"
I do. See the points I addressed. His "conservatism" begins and ends with the wall (which I strongly support even though I know fully well it would have little direct impact on illegal immigration)

And I think his supporters is a valid point to address. For the same reason I hated the Paulites in 08 and 12. These are toxic elements that don't belong on the political stage. And, again, I'm not talking about the rowdy, sometimes violent crowds. It's bound to happen when you have 10000 people gathered together. And I don't even think Trump is encouraging such behavior or anything.

It's the low-information voter that I don't like. It's the guy screaming and whining about "stolen delegates" or how Trump deserved the nomination even if he missed 1237. It's literally people not knowing the difference between a majority and a plurality.

Yeah, like I said, it wouldn't take much to get me on board. The Presidency isn't a 1-person job. He gets to select the cabinet, but good people can drastically change policy. He'll learn, but I don't really like the idea of learning on the job for such an important job.

Well argued. Maybe putting it this way is better: war is awful. Humans have rules of war to make it less awful, like banning mustard gas and biological weapons, but it's still ok to pump someone full of lead bullets or blow them up. Seems strange and arbitrary where humans draw the line on what methods of destruction are OK and what are not.

>ie intentionally target civilians
but that is what actual war entails. what we're doing now is far more immoral and protracted

The entire concept of rules of war is a meme, it basically boiks down to "don't kill civilians" even though a civilian one day can be a combatant the next, especially in this era.

He's in favour of mass surveillance, and the Patriot Act in general. He's also wants to go to war wholesale against the Islamic State, rather than pulling out entirely and letting the bastard kill each other.

*bastards

>Right now, there's nothing to suggest he'll appoint judges who will adhere to the constitution.

And there's nothing to suggest that he won't
Everything else in your "argument" is stupid horseshit not worth addressing

>It's the low-information voter that I don't like. It's the guy screaming and whining about "stolen delegates" or how Trump deserved the nomination even if he missed 1237. It's literally people not knowing the difference between a majority and a plurality.


Do you know the definition of insanity?Take your L like a man instead of defending a garbage system and crying a bitch.It's the reason your garbage candidate lost so fucking bad.Give the fuck already.JFC.

His entire argument is that Trump isn't conservatice enough and that people who support him are loud and outspoken

He has supported liberals and their policies for almost half a century. He's said he would publish a list of potential nominees, and I look forward to seeing that. Regarding the constitution, as far as I know he's only addressed the 2nd amendment. There are many more I'd like to see his stances on.

And go ahead and call me stupid, and don't address my points. But this thread is one of those rare ones on Sup Forums where there's actual discussion and dialog. I'd really appreciate it if a fucking leaf didn't come in and shit it up. So how's about you fuck right the hell off if you're not going to engage, okay Gordie?

Um, free speech anyone? States rights too

He's not orange enough.

It's not true.

>He has supported liberals and their policies for almost half a century.

So did reagan
>there are many more I'd like to see his stances on
ok

>And go ahead and call me stupid

Thanks for the permission dickhead, im calling you stupid because you wrote about 6 paragraphs across your posts where all you said wae that Trump "isn't conservative"(i think you meant neocon) and that his supporters are dumb meanies.

I'm giving you one last chance to post an actual argument against trump's policy faggot

Oh, hey. It's the Bulgarian who bumped the /cruz/ threads.

A principle tenet of American conservatism, and conservatism is general is an adherence to law and order. You don't just change them because you don't like them. Well, you can, but in a lawful manner. And Trump and the RNC will have the opprtunity to do so if they choose. AFTER the primary process. You don't get to complain and pretend the world is out to get you.

The RNC isn't a government body and it constantly changes it's rules to favor establishment politicians. See: ron paul 2012

ILLEGAL mexicans.

>Has no concept of behaving morally superior to your enemies
thats only a good thing to do when you actually are morally superior and not just pretending to be.

If you are so jaded and apathetic about human suffering then there really is no argument for human rights. Human rights exist to make the lives of humans better. If you don't care about human lives you obviously won't care about human rights.

What major country would you consider to be objectively morally superior to the rest?

>Oh, hey. It's the Bulgarian who bumped the /cruz/ threads.

Oh, so you were one of the 3 Ratto shills?Cool, in that case when are you gotta admit i was right about you candidate getting destroyed and Trump getting to 1237?

Human rights can only exist in a society without a state(and the monopoly of violence that comes with it) and war, since the existence of a governmental body already impedes our human rights by suspending our free will.

Are you so dense that you can't make the distinction between war and peace? With war, comes suffering. That is why it is important to avoid war, but once war happens
DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE THE BLOODSHED

I like how casually you type that behind your computer screen. So what would you have us do? No holds barred? Against who?

I believe in Trump's plan to make Mexico pay for the wall he points out that visa over stays are a major source of illegal immigrants I'm not so sure on the tunnels. Even then though just because we can't completely stop something doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps to help decrease it because people still do cross the border illegally.

>I could present to you a 1000 page book on everything wrong with Trump

Fuck off. If you could have, you would have.

Here's your meme, pussy.

Nice digits

Cartels spend millions of dollars on tunnels, they don't let illegals use them. In fact, when they're running drugs, they don't let illegals cross the border on foot.

People oppose Trump because they support Hillary, period. Some of them just dress their closet support up in fake principles. It's transparent.

I hate that he skews left on all his social policies, he's basically what a Democrat looked like 50 years ago.
I was hoping for cruz so the Overton window could be shifted back into the middle as opposed to different shades of left.
As it stands, when your choice is between the most corrupt woman in US political history that lives above the law or a job creating businessman it's pretty black and white unless you're slurping the lefty kool-aid hard.

Government automatically suspends free will? Never heard that one before.

Okay, I guess? You can't really argue about moral opinions. Seems reeeeeaaally sick and twisted to me though.
If you just arbitrarily decide that you are now in a state of war everything is okay. Genocide, mass rape, killing innocent children. B-but it's war guys, it's okay.

Sadly I have to go to sleep due to time zone difference, will still read your replies in the archives.

Boot
licker

If it were up to me, I would avoid war, avoid getting in conflicts that don't involve my country, but once engaged in war there are no bad tactics. I'd have to be willing to make decisions like not telling my own citizens which city buildings will be air striked by the enemy, or sending in thousands of men to protect a bridge knowing that 90% of them are going to die. If torture does actually work, I'd have to be willing to use it. If nuking them would end it quickly, I'd have to consider it, and weigh the lives of their citizens against my soldiers.

Since government is not voluntary, it suspends free will

Proud his daughter converted to Judaism and made Jewish semi-sandnigger babies.

How is this based?

Also basically never addresses nigger crimes, obsessed with Hispanics. Probably raped by Hispanics as a child.

neither are enough in tax cuts, it may seem fair to tax people making 84,800$ a year absurd amounts, but i make around that much and can barely make a living in commiefornia because of the damn taxes

You do whatever you can that will long term cause the least casualties.
If america had to invade Japan millions would have died on both sides as well as forcing an incredibly expensive police state, the nukes on the other hand killed a fraction of that while also completely breaking the countries spirit, now it is one of the USAs biggest allies and trade partners.

>Genocide, mass rape, killing innocent children. B-but it's war guys, it's okay.
It's not OK. It's awful. It's also necessary. I could tell my soldiers not to rape but it's going to happen. I could tell them not to target children but some of the buildings that they'll bomb will have children.

The wall is one of the few things I'm 100% with Trump on. Well, not really. I think WE need to pay for it.

As others and myself have pointed out, a physical wall would do very little to stop illegal immigration. Most come here "legally" and just don't fucking leave. And it would do a lot less to stop the rapists, murderers and drug peddlers that get in.

It's much more important as a symbolic gesture. A nation without borders is no nation at all. With a wall, you're drawing a literal line in the sand, not some limpdicked shit like Obama. "This is our country, and you can't come in unless you follow the law."

I think paying for it ourselves, despite it being expensive is far more meaningful. It's exercising our sovereignty, which has not been done in decades.

no all he said was "somebody is doing the raping" you're the racist for immediately assuming it was mexicans

man made climate change is the ultimate blue pill and is the most illogical pathetic thing in modern politics
thanks for making me autism on climate change leaf shit

THERE ARE NONE DEAR LEADER IS PERFECT IN EVERY WAY!

>Also basically never addresses nigger crimes

>According to Bill O'Reilly, 80% of all the shootings in New York City are blacks

twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/342190428675796992


>Sadly, the overwhelming amount of violent crime in our major cities is committed by blacks and hispanics-a tough subject-must be discussed.

NICE b8 m8

Stop giving him opposition research you faggots!

Underrated comment. You faggots talk about being cucks all the time and don't realize you are literally cucks to the top 1%. Give me a break

Everyone is. Gimme mine tho