There is no reason, moral or otherwise...

There is no reason, moral or otherwise, to be against a total prohibition of alcohol with harsh punishments for all transgressors.

>Ahmed! Are you Islam or something?? Shoo shoo mudslime!
Alcohol is the #1 killer of white males worldwide. This has nothing to do with Islam.

>muh culture!
Culture is about determining and passing on a good way of life. Voluntary self-harm can never be a cultural subject.

>prohibition was tried and failed!
Past failures are not an excuse for giving up, but instead useful for research and planning of an improved next attempt.

>muh privacy!
Civil rights are not meant to warrant your personal foolishness. Laws are also meant to protect the people from themselves.

Alcohol must be removed from the equation if we are to have any chance of improving our politics.

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Ignoring me instead of challenging my viewpoints. Typical. One day, you'll no longer be able to do that.

>Civil rights are not meant to warrant your personal foolishness.
yes they are

Nonsense. Following that logic all the way through, nearly all laws are immoral.

>Laws are meant to protect the people from themselves

no, that's the exact opposite purpose of laws. Laws are there to protect you from everyone else.

>nearly all laws are immoral.
i believe most laws are immoral.

People like to to things that are unhealthy. It's their choice and your totalitarian mindset won't change that. Now, shouldn't you be finding out what your girl is doing when she leaves the house and starts walking towards the migrant neighborhood every night?

>Culture is about determining and passing on a good way of life. Voluntary self-harm can never be a cultural subject.

Easter Island heads were constructed by the islands' inhabitants until they literally worked themselves to death.
The statues were basically one big dick measuring contest: who could build the most, who could please the gods?
They built these things, neglected their agriculture, then starved, yet they kept building.
When you think of all the symbols of world culture, those heads are easily in the top twenty list.

hands off my wines kraut/mehmet

That just means you're retarded.

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Shoo, roach. I am going to drink a good old german beer in your honour now.

Prost.

There is good reason to be against prohibition of anything:

MY FREEDOMS

no. it means i dont like the government all up in my shit

kek

same goes for me. Hands of my beer, ale, mead and wine.

Alcohol is not the number one killer of anyone.
Do you know what it feels like to be stripped, bound, positioned, mounted and raped by a tame bear?

>"There is no reason"

Tried it. Didn't work. Look at Prohibition 1920s America. Don't like the German culture? Get the fuck out of Germany.

its nice to see this thread not be about weed for once. i still think everything should be legal. education just has to be better

I think you guys need to read through the OP again
>There is no reason, moral or otherwise, to be against a total prohibition of alcohol
If I'm wrong, provide one. No, "I should be able to do whatever I please" Amerilogic does not count.

That's fine Muhammad. When do you plan on returning to Syria?

If you read posts before replying to them, you'd know why I disregard your arguments.

>Voluntary self-harm can never be a cultural subject.

Subjective

Fun and enjoyable community and social customs can be a cultural subject

The perspective in which you see alcohol is not the perspective through which everyone else sees alcohol

If by follow you mean embellish to the point of absurdity

so you are asking for a reason, MORAL OR OTHERWISE, as to why alcohol should be legal?

because i want it, and there is literally nothing anybody can do to stop me from getting/making alcohol

refer to That's what people tend to do with laws.

what makes you think Prohebition 2.0 would be any more successful? if anything it would be as disastrous as The War on Drugs ^TM

>because i want it

Terrible reason, putting volition before reason is dumb.

fuck you statist, would you like to regulate how I fuck my wife too so alles ist in ordnung?

having a vineyard and making exquisite wines is a great and rewarding hobby in many regions of my country

beer is a good refreshment after doing some hard work or chilling in the summer heat

spirits can be masterfully blended using various flavours, barrels and stored in folk-artsy bottles, they work fine both as apperitifs and getting really fucked up once in a blue moon

t. a very wet culture

Explain why it is the job of individuals to prove to the state that their actions should be legal, rather than the state proving to its citizens that an action should be illegal.

Please refer yourself back to the Middle East if you don't like alcohol.

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Make alcohol illegal if weed is.

The current status quo is fucking stupid.

Im all for alcohol being legal IF weed and lsd are legal as well.

>Terrible reason, putting volition before reason is dumb.

i would say its perfect reasoning. i want something. so i figure out a way to get it. how is that not a perfect reason?

Ok let me tell you something...
pssst...they tried that in the US.
Spoiler: It did not work, at all.

You don't change anything by banning guns, booze, or tits. You have to change people's minds to not behave like retarded vermin.

you could say the same thing about someone meticulously making and smoking crack. i support you, I'm just saying.

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my volition is to bomb your country into the ground again you fuckin kraut fuck

The fact that we know why the Prohibtion failed.

No wonder it's just another stain on the cloth of Europe.

There's more than enough evidence to conclude that the alcohol industry should not exist.

Anally annihilated dipshit from a family of drinkers.

Hedonism always leads to catastrophe.

>Alcohol
No, heart disease and cancer are

>Volition
>Reason
Pick 2 m8, what if my reason for drinking is my desire to drink? Isn't that an integral part of our lives, is our ability to persue what we want to?

Yes big brother, you know whats best for me, you look out for me. Everything you do is for my protection. Thank you oh big brother for protecting me from myself.

Fuck off Ahmed, you have no say in what I put into my body or not. I wasn't going to drink today, grabbing a beer now goatfucker.

>You have to change people's minds

That's extremely difficult to do with alcoholics. They have a habit of drinking until their cognitive ability is diminished enough to stop caring about what's right.

Don't worry, the muslims will finish the job.

>There is no reason, moral or otherwise, to be against a total prohibition of alcohol with harsh punishments for all transgressors.

I don't see why someone else gets to decide what I can and can't ingest.

In fact, chronic liver disease is sitting at number 10. Pretty shit troll thread, mate

>what if my reason for drinking is my desire to drink?

Id bet you drink because you can't quit anymore.

I'm teetotal, like God Emperor Trump. Feels ubermensch.

I like w bottle of wine with my lady, is that degenerate?

It improves social skills which leads to bonding and procreation

>family of drinkers

Hah, no. Luckily heavy drinking doesn't run in the family. My family just knows how to have self-control and without resorting to childish absolutism.

Now go tell some random woman on the street to cover up in a hijab because you can't keep your dick in your pants if you see a bare ankle.

>The fact that we know why the Prohibtion failed.

it was unenforceable, was the number 1 cause of police corruption, and singlehandedly led to the rise of organized crime in the US?

Alcohol can and does cause heart disease.

>Culture is about determining and passing on a good way of life. Voluntary self-harm can never be a cultural subject.

A good way of life is a way of life that is enjoyable and raises good people. Not one that keeps them in a bubble. What's next - gonna pick all our diets for us too and count our shits?

There's been a century of advancement since then, do you really believe we don't have a better shot at it today?

People will do all kinds of shit to make their lives miserable. They've done it in the past, the are doing it right now and they will always do it.

If you ban alcohol, people will find other ways to send themselves into oblivion.

Stop being an overregulating EU-like freak. We already have enough of those. AND THEY ARE IN POWER.

We've been drinking this shit since the dawn of civilization. I'm fair intoxicated right now, but God damn at least give people the social Liberty of bars, and the dazed stupor of happiness.

Why on earth would prohibition be more effective now than then?

Uh no.

Remember the prohibition? Prohibition of anything increases it's value in the free market and therefore creates criminals who profit from it. As time goes on, more and more organized crime gets involved. If you want to reduce crime, you legalize everything. Methamphetamine, Cocaine, you name it. Legalization allows age regulation and severely hurts organized crime. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>can and does
And the percentage of heart disease caused primarily by drinking is trivial. It's also a small percentage of the causes of cancer. Got any other arguments?

I know the first 4 :3

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Way to dodge the question. Will you send me a list of your Allah-approved activities?

I agree. The degenerate drug abusers on Sup Forums won't agree though. They whine and moan about degeneracy, unless they're degenerate, then they have a hissy fit.

He's right you know.

>There is no reason, moral or otherwise
yes there is, i want a beer after work. free country, i'll have my fucking beer. eat a dick, faggot. nobodys making anyone drink anything

unless it's their own degeneracy*

What about car crashes, alcohol-induced manslaughter, et cetera?

This. As society advances people become more and more pigeon holed into highly specialized, monotonous roles. People need escapism and those that work certainly deserve it.

You live in the biggest nanny state of them all. What's it like to cut your steak with a fucking spoon because the gubmit won't let you have knives?

The stupidity of some does never make banning stuff for everyone else a right thing. period.

No fuckface, because when you start at one thing it becomes a slippery slope of shit you ban.

Alright, so lets say they re ban alcohol. What's next? Some 300,000 people die each year due to obesity related causes alone, ban big macs? I mean, I understand it's already haram for you, but it's not for everyone else. Then what? Dangerous activities? Sky diving? Rock climbing? Racing? Anything that can hurt anyone ever?

Go back home to your sharia controlled dry country if you want prohibition.

>basing your philosophy around cartoon shows

Why don't you try to become the Hokage while you're at it?

>What's it like to cut your steak with a fucking spoon because the gubmit won't let you have knives?

Reminder, just because you read something on the internet, it doesn't mean it's true. The fact you've made the quoted statement suggests you're mentally impaired.

Angry, psychotic males go on shooting rampages while the majority of gun owners are responsible adults. Should we ban guns too?

>Some 300,000 people die each year due to obesity related causes alone, ban big macs?

Make them accomodate their extra strain on the health system.
Of course that only goes for countries in which socialized health care is a thing. In your country, they get special scooters so the fast food and corn syrup industries can continue to profit off them.

>>Ahmed! Are you Islam or something?? Shoo shoo mudslime!
>Alcohol is the #1 killer of white males worldwide. This has nothing to do with Islam.
heart disease is the #1 killer in western countries
>>muh culture!
>Culture is about determining and passing on a good way of life. Voluntary self-harm can never be a cultural subject.
proofs
>>prohibition was tried and failed!
>Past failures are not an excuse for giving up, but instead useful for research and planning of an improved next attempt.
alcohol is one of the easiest things in the world to make, for prohibition to work you'd need to ban all fruit and water-tight containers from public use
>>muh privacy!
>Civil rights are not meant to warrant your personal foolishness.
yes they are
>Laws are also meant to protect the people from themselves.
in the Soviet Union maybe

>a show agrees with what something I believe in therefore my ideas are based on the show

Yeah okay...

Gun regulation is a matter of state security and has little to do with public safety. If your leaders were more honest about that, they might actually get some of it passed.

You've never been smashed before in your life, have you?

The Greens, socialists the EU-commission and the UN think so.

Fucking bastards they are.

I've never been a massive drinker, but like most Brits when I do drink its in a fiendish binge habit way.

It's clear from from how I feel the next two days the stuff is poison, so I keep off it except once/twice a month. The harm that must do to me long term is minimal, and it's a small risk I'll take in return for blowing off steam and having a good times with friends.

So all said fuck off with your authotarian bullshit, neckbeards like you need deal with your own shit before you preach to other people with how regards to they handle theirs.

I respect the notion of abstinence to drugs/drink, and can see the clear benefits of it. But every person I meet who doesn't drink is such a preachy lame autistic cunt I can't help but head straight for the bar.

Europeans have consumed alcohol for hundreds of years.

Most of the problems are because nonwhites can't handle it.

>he's beating me in an argument
>shit
>better call him a retard

This is just an attempt to sneak Shariah law into Western society. Soon you will be talking about how bacon causes cancer, better ban ban pork.

We've tried that already. Didn't work so well. Unintended consequences, man.

>heart disease is the #1 killer in western countries

Good point I admit, but a significant portion of that is caused by tobacco, which should also be forbidden.

Fuck off Hassan, I'm having beer with my bbq.

I have nothing against drugs either, for all I care you could shoot heroin in broad daylight, as long as you don't harm anyone else, for example: my hometown I grew up in had a group of about a dozen older junkies, their behaviour, appearance and eventual deaths served as the greatest deterrent ever to thousands upon thousands of highschool children who saw explicitly what becomes of an individual when they start using hard drugs; anecdotal for sure but demonstrates my point perfectly

before you mention it, expensive monopolistic universal healthcare can fuck off as well, I needed mine on 3 separate occasions and 2/3 I was disgusted by the subpar diagnostic and treatment options I was given, so I had to shell out considerable cash to private practices in order to receive 21st century treatment

in fact I believe that taking away personal responsibility from an individual in order to delegate it to nanny state through legislature in our modern history is the very reason many social problems even exist, even make new ones like opportunities for organized crime wherever some clandestine and risky illegal activity is involved

you cannot legislate people's wants and desires, forbidden fruit is the sweetest, where there's a will there's a way etc etc

how about if you dont act like a retarded toddler, you wont die.

No it just means I was poking fun at your pathetic excuse of a nation by exaggeration. Can you own a firearm? No. Can you walk around London without being capture by 999999999 cctv cameras? No.

You live in a coddled nanny state and think that the world needs more victimless crimes. You're obviously either young and foolish, or old and stupid, and either way I pity you and hope that you look at the world more objectively in the future.

>Laws are also meant to protect the people from themselves.

Fuck this nanny state bullshit. Either you or your parents/tutors are responsible for your actions.

>alcohol is one of the easiest things in the world to make, for prohibition to work you'd need to ban all fruit and water-tight containers from public use

That's not a good reason to allow a mostly unregulated alcohol industry that's too powerful for any government to get in the way of. At the very least, it should be demolished and minimized as much as possible.

How about this:
Nobody does anything bad or wrong that could possibly lead to destruction or other misfortune ever, and those that do engage in risky activities that trade higher mental faculties for a state of elation should be jailed. Then everyone can live happy and love each other while ignoring the immoral beverage that has become part of the human experience.

Come see me after class, Ahmed.

>Can't control his own urges. Must make it Illegal.

I know you want to believe libertarianism can work, but that's a lot more delusional than anything I could ever think up.

The best solution to the drug problem is to build a society where people don't want to get fucked up all the time.

>unregulated alcohol industry
alcohol and tobacco are probably the most regulated consumer goods besides prescription drugs

And sadly my country is not far behind in that desire to rule over all aspects of its citizens lives. That's why people who unironically foam at the mouth to control other people's degeneracy are so damn irritating.

Ahaha, go back to your anarchist forum.

Saying most laws are immoral isn't much of an argument either, it's just a statement. You seem pretty butthurt, why don't you just cut your internet seeing as governments helped build the infrastructure for you to use it anyway.

It's not even close to monopoly. There's plenty of room for small breweries to sell their poison for profit and create healthy competition. I've never heard of a brewery holding a government hostage.

I said mostly unregulated. I reckon the US is much different in this regard, but in Europe, very few governments dare to prosecute the alcohol industry.