Man, the circlejerk on Sup Forums really is nauseating

Man, the circlejerk on Sup Forums really is nauseating.

I'm an educated liberal who believes in the importance of leftist/liberal ideas, and why they are important for America. We could have a utopia if we wanted one.

Debate me on any topic you want.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level
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telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html
nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html
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udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf
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What do you think the minimum wage should be?

Show me one Utopia in the world and now show me a thriving nation under leftist ideas and socialism. Ill wait.

>We could have a utopia if we wanted one.
Why, in the 20,000 years of human societies since ancient times, haven't we had Utipoia before? Why do you think you're capable of having one now?

I think 12 would be a good start. 15 might be too high, what we have now is too low.

Norway, Iceland, Finland, Japan, South Korea, China, Ireland, Germany besides the immigrant problems.

I think there are certain nations on Earth that already qualify as a kind of utopia, I believe America has fit that bill before as well.

Would you spend a week in the ghetto?

Venezuela

checkmate faggot

I've spent several nights in the ghetto, it's very fucked up for a range of complex reasons.

Those countries didn't get rich from socialist ideas. They got rich and then leftism took over.

Poor examples as those are all homogeneous civilizations. Don't get me wrong. I admire the 'lofty' ambitions of Liberals/Globalists. But the problem of course is they clearly don't know how to get where they want to go. Hence. Prepare for the God-Emperor.

Denmark too.

I said thriving user.
>China, having good leftist qualities
literally a shit hole, the only good city is Hong Kong which is capitalist.
China practically uses slave labor. Doesnt that bother you and your $15 minimum>>

Why has the wealth gap increased so much under the liberal politicies of the past 15 years?
Why have Obama and Hillary murdered so many brown people in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen?

What do you think of anarcho primitivism?

The only way to fix all of humanity's problems is to completely abandon technology desu

Utopias aren't real just like my waifu.

Is White pride a good idea?

Do you have sources on just how much multi-racial/ multiculturalism degrades societies? America has been the most diverse nation on Earth for a long time now and is also the richest.

FUCK!!

What kinds of drugs were you buying?

Also what's your view on blacks having such high rates of homosexuality and AIDS?

If you are a liberal why are you a leftist when a great deal of the authoritarianism is coming from the left in America.

>Japan
>socialist
>South Korea
>socialist
>China
>not a 3rd world country

Too bad, I was actually hoping this wasn't a troll.

It's okay to have pride in your race, I just think a lot of people get too carried away with it and become irrational and hateful. You need to find a balance.

I like it in principle, however the lack of modern medicine completely destroys it as a viable option.

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I think there are certain nations on Earth that already qualify as a kind of utopia, I believe America has fit that bill before as well.
America has never been a utopia, we may have been a great improvement over the rest of the world because it was basically on fire, but we've never been perfect.

I can't produce the data because the Sociologists shut down any studies which explain why. Perfect example. Look at Putnam, whom once we produced data explaining the problem of Multiculturalism, he scorned the data like a orphan child.

archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
>Check the date. Notice how its 2007. Before the era of unchecked Globalism when the NeoCons were still in play.

America is also a terrible example. Civic Nationalism is a special kind of Nationalism we've thrown away, and now the Country is breaking apart because of it.

I was hanging out at my friend's apartment. Do blacks have an abnormal rate of homosexuality?

Because things aren't that simple.

Or leftist. Universal healthcare and education is pretty left compared ot our situation. Pay attention to context.

>i see things i dont like
>ergo, i am better than you, in my own personal opinion
>im better than you, but lets speak as equals
>p-please validate my existence by talking to me

Here's your (you)

> I'm educated

> proceed to get blown the fuck out

Every time

The 50's, early 60's, 80's, mid to late 90's were really amazing for America.

That's really not that good of an argument man.

>Japan
>leftist
>South Korea
>leftist
>China
>not a 3rd world country

Where did that happen? I'm in the middle of discussions right now. If you'd like to contribute you're welcome to. If you can't stand the heat I suggest you learn your place.

No, you're NOT a liberal. I am a God-Damn liberal and I'm tired of you authoritarian, gun-fearing progressives and marxists stealing that title from me. You fuckers are also why the fascists are coming back; they are a reaction to progressive and Marxist faggotry.

Both you and the fascists should be gassed.

>I'm an educated liberal
>importance of leftist/liberal ideas
>We could have a utopia if we wanted one

What isn't. I threw three at you.

Also. It's interesting that you used the word 'not that good.' If it was a bad argument, you would've used the word 'bad.'

>Do you have sources on just how much multi-racial/ multiculturalism degrades societies?
I do:

plus.google.com/ BlackPigeonSpeaks/posts/4NyRpLRa1bA

>American most diverse nation
Nice meme, but no. Not even close.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

>Norway, Iceland, Finland, Japan, South Korea, China, Ireland, Germany

You forgot America has a population and size many times larger than those nations. Any form of hardcore leftie socialism will NOT work in a huge nation like America due to it's size and population. You have to give people freedom (classic liberalism) not your shit tier modern liberalism for the nation to grow.

Liberal has a very wide range of meaning and I agree with classical liberalism much more than you think. I believe a decentralized model of governance could be the best choice for America.

Oh right forgot to add it. If you have nothing to say and are just going to use memes, insults or images I'm going to hide your post. I'd rather have good debate with people. You have one chance.

THIS

>we could have a utopia if we wanted one.

confirmed for 19yo liberal arts major, probably from Tufts or Swarthmore or some other college where its considered avant-garde to be a homosexual when you're young.

Saged.

>Utopia

You mean like Detroit?

Yeah, I didn't think it was bad. I just don't think it's good. You made excuses and your explanation for America being a terrible example was pretty bad. The only good part was your link. The rest was basically junk.

nah, you'd have to have a high school education at least to go to college. OP confirmed for having dropped out of 7th grade

Why do you sexualise women?
Why do you project inachievable standards of beauty?

#CHECKYOURPRIVILEGE SHITLORD!!!11!1!!

It could be a decentralized model where the states that are worth something adopt leftist policies and the poor shithole states can sell everything to private enterprise.

>because things arn't that simple.

Oh, but they are. You self identify as a liberal. The political left in this country is becoming more and more authoritarian (college campuses for example). You could stop identifying as a liberal, that is, unless you actually agree with the lefts progress towards authoritarianism.

Just admit it, you are an authoritarian leftist.

strawman, dropped.

The rise of the regressive left doesn't change the fact that I'm still a liberal. I'm very much not authoritarian and believe in the importance of civil liberties.

Y'all niggas posting in a...
oh, nevermind

12/7/14
Never forget.

...and yet you have to give a counter argument. I thought you were the one who was supposed to be debating me?

You talk so much shit with absolutely no argumentation. Shitpost somewhere else unless you can rack that eurotrash brain of yours to come up with something worth addressing.

>educated
>liberal

Choose only one.

Lol what's the point of doing that when it worked perfectly in the 60s

Your a slippery one. But I'll pin you down.

This.

GG op.

>I'm an educated liberal
Opinion discarded pretending fag

Who will build this utopia? Who?

Because this is the question you people never answer. It won't be you. You are not the builders of the future. It is always someone else. This is the problem with liberal elites. It is about getting the masses to do what you want. Which is what you supposedly hate about the other side!

Who will build it? And no, I am not just talking about money but time and effort. I am sick of hypocrisy with no ethical backbone. Will you do something about things?

Why is it always someone else that must do everything for you. Pay for you. Serve you. Make the country how you want it to be.

The distinct problem with society is the abadonment of the philsophy of personal responsibility.

Does instability damage us? Yes. Do things like discrimination cause issues? Yes. But think about it this way: who does it help to blame the other? Who? Does being paralysed by the want for change and blaming all your problems on another actually bring about the change you desire? No.

It is like the robot on /r9k/ that wants to change. Change not started tonight won't be completed tomorrow. But what they do? Go to sleep and say I will do it tomorrow. Then wake up, repeat the cycle and then think "If only a qt would fall in my lap" or "If only society would change to how I want it".

The problem is you won't build your utopia. You will just continually insult people and damage democracy in the progressive quest to be the largest oppressed group. Groups that have oppressed mentalities, no matter how justified, build nothing.

Only the strong build something. Being a victim, whether justified or not, is not a position of strength. Only the weak follow a victim.

If you think Japan and South Korea are socialist countries or that China is a nice place to live in, you're either flat earth tier ignorant or mentally ill.

Multiculturalism is a European thing. America is diverse but not multicultural.

I wasn't expecting this many responses so it's taking a bit. That is a very interesting article and surely relevant in today's society. Truth is, where I'm from being racist and being liberal are not mutually exclusive.

You used Japan as an example of a leftist nation. GTFO.
They still use essentially jim crowe laws there. They are as right as you get. Accepted only like 20 rapeugees which btw 12 of are in jail for rape. You have no clue what you are talking about. Typical Lib

>We could have a utopia if we wanted one.
do you know the definition of an utopia?
it by virtue is unattainable as you are simply looking past the negative flaws humans have possessed since time immemorial

everything sounds nice on paper or in your mind, now try to make it work for once

You are technically right. But this is lost on people.

Ah. I won't waste my time then. Good luck with all the others. Try not to waste their time either.

why reject fascism?

He said socialist or leftist. A nation with universal healthcare and universal education is very much leftist compared to the US. They care a lot more about public infrastructre as well.

No, you have a very uneducated view as to what leftism is.

These are all homogenous white communities you fuckhead.

>liberal has a wide range of meanings

Not really. At it's core liberal means free. If you are truely a liberal then you should champion peoples liberties, even if you PERSONALLY disagree with them (gun rights, hate speech, etc.).

If you think those things should be restricted, then you probably shouldn't self identify as a liberal.

If you're looking to debate, you came to the wrong place, just sayin'.

I'd be on suicide watch if someone BTFO me so badly.

Is there such a thing as a right to privacy?

If so does it apply equally to all matters or not?

>He said socialist or leftist. A nation with universal healthcare and universal education is very much leftist compared to the US. They care a lot more about public infrastructre as well.
Okay, do you not understand something called context? Certain ideas may be viewed as leftist compared to another within your narrow view but that is ignoring other nations and their politics.

>educated liberal

I agreed with you, but alright.

Because my ancestors died to fight off authoritarianism and I'm not a submissive bitch who needs to be ordered around.

I don't think those things should be restricted. You're literally making up my views for me.

There are several relatively homogenous states in the US as well.

Some people are willing to.

>circlejerk
That's something only reddit does.

>Not an argument
Youre just on damage control.

> Japan is capitalist as fuck
> Japan is racist and xenophobic as fuck
> Japan talks to russia
>Current PM gives tax breaks.

Im sorry but what about Japan is left?
>inb4 gun control and maternity leave

Except for I'm not on the regressive left.

I'm speaking from an American perspective. Universal healthcare, education and lots of work put into public infrastructure are left compared to what we have.

>thinly veiled ama thread

nah you are the one who asserted leftism is either good or rationally justifiable. You need to assert a specific, falsifiable idea, and back it with evidence. Otherwise kick rocks

the majority of people are bitches who need to be ordered around, why let the plebs of your nation kill each other

Then why did you post a white woman?

Maternity leave, universal healthcare, universal education, heavy focus on public infrastructure.

How do you feel about the law

This

Nope.

Necessary, depends on what law.

Fair enough, but the left is being defined more and more by it's regressive/authoritarian portion. Why would you want to be associated with that?

You could identify as a liberal moderate/independent, or something else more middle-of-the-road. Based on your posts, that sounds more accurate.

>I'm speaking from an American perspective. Universal healthcare, education and lots of work put into public infrastructure are left compared to what we have.
Left from what you have does not mean that certain governments are leftist.

Do you not understand that..

So by saying x government is left is silly. And even then, certain things like healthcare are not inherently "leftist" in many countries. That is not how they are viewed at all.

>utopia
haaa hahahahaha

>Nope.
excellent rebuttal autismo

>he said
I'll go with mentally ill.

>state healthcare
Not actually provided by the state in most of the countries you've listed including Germany. Rather, major insurance companies get state subsidiaries to insure the average citizen who cannot pay for private insurance. There are a gazillion exceptions to who is entitled to them of course, including free lancers, students over 25 etc.
The only countries that do actually provide state care are the UK and some former USSR countries like Russia and Belarus (although to get quality treatment there people still pay privately).

Why start debates when it looks like you've just learned how to read and write?

Japan and South Korea are what would be considered far-right countries by Western standards.

*you still pay, often a lot towards these insurances

Common-sense racial categories have biological meaning.
ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/Race2.pdf

Human intelligence up to 75% inheritible
telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html

Human intelligence is highly heritable.
nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html

Scientific consensus is that IQ tests are not racially biased.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289608000305

Very poor Whites are comparably intelligent to very wealthy blacks.
jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

Privately, intelligence experts hold more hereditarian views than they express in public.
udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1994egalitarianfiction.pdf

Black children raised in White households have similar IQs to black children in black households.
psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1977-07996-001

The average African IQ is estimated at 79.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912003741

The average African-American IQ is 85, compared to the average White IQ of 100.
udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf

The white-black gap in SAT scores, a proxy for IQ, is increasing.
jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

Genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa.
wsj.com/articles/SB115040765329081636

Intelligence has at least a 40-50% genetic basis.
articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/10/news/la-heb-genetic-study-intelligence-20110809

IQ scores are the best predictor of success in Western society.
psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

IQ is 75% heritable among Whites.
psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

>he gives some opinion that most people want to be ordered around and acts as though it's fact

Okay man.

>didnt read my post.
>inb4 maternity leave
>says maternity leave

>universal education
okay fine but, reminder, smaller population, and homogeneous population. Diversity ruins countries. You cant even argue other.

>public infrastructure
infrastructure is not a leftist idea you fuck wit, ore even a right for that matter. stop trying to stamp it with your commie bullshit. and a republican was the one who signed the bill that built our nations highways and infrastructure if you really want to go there. rekt

That's not leftist.

Yeah I know, doesn't change the fact that I hold liberal views.

Do you know how much it would cost to give over 300 million people "FREE" healthcare.

Do you know how much you would have to raise the taxes to not damage the economy drastically? Do you know that raising the taxes would cripple the economy and raise the prices of all goods? Do you realise America is deeply in dept ($17.8 trillion) estimate and you guys cannot afford to spend even more money?

...

>educated
>liberal

Yeah I dominated my fair share of you faggots on UF's debate team. You're just narcissistic and stupid

if you're so sure it's not a fact you should have no problem refuting it instead of ducking your head in the sand

Yes they are.

Americans pay the highest prices for healthcare in the developed world by far and they get mediocre returns. Your average American has worse healthcare than their developed partners, and pay much more for it.

So you're either a National Socialist, if you mean purely economically, or acting against your own interest, in which case I don't care

>your making up my views

Not at all. You called yourself a liberal leftist. That means some pretty specific things, particularly in this political climate. If there are fundimental things about the left that you disagree with, don't identify as one.