Im curious... is the Brotherhood of Steel supposed to be right left wing?
They're a paramilitary pseudo-religious order of overzealous isolationist technophobes, so they would appear right wing.
At the same time, however, Paladin Danse and others have commented on the dangers of mega companies like Arc Jet. This would indicate liberalism, and the D.C. Brotherhood was far more about protecting the innocent and restoring the wasteland, which would indicate liberalism again as they worked with Project Purity to provide free clean water, a socialist idea.
What do you think?
Jason Foster
>project purity
that's just them helping out humanity, not necessarily a left wing ideal.
I'd say they do seem pretty authoritarian though, regardless of being right or left.. if that helps at all.
Angel Rivera
Plus the fact they are tech grabbers pushes them left. Guess they are a glorified bandit faction.
Grayson Morales
Helping humanity is a left wing trait. You don't hear Drumpf talking about providing for the people.
Kevin Gonzalez
They're the Nazi kind of left wing.
Isaiah Morgan
brotherhood under lyons was a bunch of techno-hippies
brotherhood under based maxson is techno-fascist
Easton Evans
>protecting the wasteland and innocent people is liberalism
If your an autist that mistakes sociopaths for conservative ideas, and constant Goverment interference in social problems as the only path forward and Liberal alternative.
Also, Facism is anti-corporation.
Josiah Reed
>obvious shill that hasn't listened to any of Trumps speeches or debates.
the left does not have a monopoly on altruism faggot.
Cooper Perez
>drumpf
opinion discarded
Caleb Ramirez
They are textbook fascists.
They are authoritarian. They are right-wing on social issues, but left-wing on most others. For example, you said they are against big corporations. Many fascist regimes were as well, but they weren't against businesses in general like commies. The fascist solution to this is to nationalize large corporations while leaving smaller ones alone, which is what the Brotherhood advocates for (this is why they always try to put everything of importance under their direct control).
Honestly, I think Bethesda is pretty redpilled in this manner. They try portraying fascists as something other than just an evil boogeyman who hates freedom and wants to kill everyone. The Brotherhood has its faults, like all fascist dictatorships, but at their core they're trying to benefit their people in the best way they see fit.
Dominic Hernandez
Nazi's were right wing. Every school child learns this.
Cooper Reyes
He's wants to provide jobs for the people. But rather then stick a gun to somebody's head and force them, he wants to provide the opportunity to seek out what's there.
Joseph Bailey
Who here /suicidalgaynigger/ AKA /minutemen/?
Alexander Howard
The best kind.
Cameron Ward
i think Bethesda just accidentally made them fascist by trying to give them a realistic outlook on the wasteland.
Gavin Watson
Who teaches these school children, user?
Who taught you?
What's the second word of national socialism again?
Jackson Harris
I went with Institute.
BoS looks like a "look at me I use man-tools" hipster. At least robots don't make you cringe and they kill the Bernie-Road.
Zachary Rogers
MAGA
Eli Richardson
He also wants to build a huge expensive Wall with his name on it and Alienate our trade partners.
Christian Hernandez
>BoS >Institute >Railroad
pick one. I chose the institute
Cooper Peterson
school children also learn that some epileptic slave women in the 1860s that suffered from brain damage had super ninja skills and deserves to be on the $20 bill.
Jaxon Adams
Me
I liked how they used spy techniques
Lucas Rivera
>sellout 4 Glory to the Enclave
Jayden Price
No Minutemen? Or are they the "I am indecisive" faction?
Cameron Russell
>they kill the Bernie-Road. so does the brotherhood.
also, synths are an abomination and should be gassed.
Colton Wood
I would've joined the Enclave if it were an option
Kevin Moore
They good boys they dindu nuthin. But yeah they are paternalist, fascists with a very heavy dose of crusader state influence but they are pretty blunt about it and aren't trying to claim they are something the are not so they should get points for being honest. brotherhood outcasts all the way
Sebastian Hernandez
They won't do anything about it, so we must take it into our own hands to protect ourselves.
Camden Rogers
Which Brotherhood? Fallout 1 era one? Fallout 2 one? Midwest Brotherhood? Washington Chapter? Vegas Chapter?
Andrew Adams
Judging by OP's choice of examples, I'm guessing newest.. the Washington ones / also the ones that decide to go to Boston
Joshua Johnson
The BoS are modern america. They have the superior weapons. So they "must" protect everybody. Even if people don't want to protect them. Also for said protection you have to give them something. You force farmers to give you food for example.
Bentley Perry
There is something about this game that makes it impossible for me to finish it. Have it since launch and i have to force myself through it
Jose Barnes
I really dig the whole anarcho-capitalist thing they got going on. They pretty much operate like a mafia. Just pay your dues and we give you protection, other than that do whatever the fuck you want.
Landon Wood
>alienate 0) The wall will cost 10 billion 1) mexico gets 25B per year in garnished remittances from money sent from US Mexicans back home. This is more revenue per year than they get from oil 2) most is sent via western union 3) up until the 90s, USA blocked western union xfers to cuba. Politically no problem; everyone still remembers how to do it. 4) Mexico will do anything we want that costs them less than $25B per year
Mexico has already alienated themselves by being corrupt, exploitive, socialists, who'd rather suck money out of America through loop holes, then make an honest deal.
Daniel Brown
It was a pretty underwhelming game
Colton Ortiz
theyre a faction that stays withyou no matter what option you chose
Alexander Edwards
This. They're the only faction that actually attempted to create new technologies instead of just scavenging pre war shit and they were trying to actually cleanse the nation of anything tainted by radiation and otherwise unnatural.
Brandon Hughes
What is the followers of the apocalypse
Adrian Stewart
Brotherhood of Steel aren't really political. They are just technoluddites who want a monopoly on pre-war tech while preventing the plebs from developing anything new because it'll end the world if anyone other than them can fling nuclear weapons around to put the plebs back in line.
Robert Butler
Right wing. The capitol branch started going against the codex. Hence the brotherhood outcasts, who believed in following the codex.
Camden Mitchell
This is a viral marketing thread being posted by paid shills
Reported
Eli Edwards
the followers are going to be able to put down a pack of muties?
Juan Lee
>helping humanity is a left wing trait
Yes, just look at all the help the Eastern European regimes provided when people wanted to escape to the horrible west.
Adam Flores
You're wrong.
Jose Jenkins
What a coincidence. I just finished the brotherhood questline last night with a blonde blue eyed nationalists female run. No chems degeneracy all ghouls and synths must be treated like shit and or die. Danse was the only exception. The noble synth if you will. Outfit is BOS black outfit, BOS combat armor over the suit. Military cap. Wendey the welder hair.
Easton Rodriguez
no one would waste their time disgusting this shit game
Kayden Mitchell
They should have been option, but here is hoping it'll happen in DLC or another game.
Austin Hill
Underrated. Long live the enclave.
Mason Hall
Lets hope they add a DLC that creates an alternate history where the enclave beat the brotherhood in fallout 3.
Brody Baker
The Followers are essentially wasteland equivalent to hippies and SJWs. They want everyone to sit in a circle together and hold hands, thing is, Super Mutants and Raiders don't give a fuck about that shit.
Jaxon Martin
i waste my time on this disgusting game because i wasted my money on it :^)
Michael Peterson
helping people isn't liberal bullshit
Cameron Turner
lol Buzz Lightyear turns out to be a synth? Explains his rigidity.
Jose Young
i'm sorry
James Carter
Thousands have, get over yourself you hipster. It's not perfect, but just because it's mainstream doesn't make it total shit.
James Perez
i also got the ending spoilered before playing it kek
Nicholas Wood
they really do need to
Landon Phillips
0) it's going to cost more than 20 billion to make at at least 10 billion to keep repaired every year. 1) Mexico isn't the only country in the world that is a trade partner and hate's Trump. 3) Mexico shipped US$380.8 billion worth of products around the globe. $309.2 billion is to the US.
You are willing to get rid of 309 billion worth of trade because you don't like Mexican people. It's a pretty dumb political stance. How will he deal with a group like ISIS? Can't build a wall around the world.
Owen Ramirez
Every fallout 4 faction is left wing. They're all bad options
Jayden Cox
Faggot
Robert Perez
excuse me, that's not a chat wheel reply
Isaac Evans
Who is father/elder Elijah
Lincoln Morris
> Not knowing it's against the rules to tell someone you're reporting them
Jackson Powell
>Helping humanity is a left wing trait
you misspelled "enslaving"
Jordan Cruz
That would be badass
John Cox
>implying that they will ever truly reclaim the American wasteland >implying they will actually return it it's past glory >Father and Elijah are literal techno-niggers The Enclave or Caesar's Legion are the only viable options
Lincoln Peterson
Is Fallout 3 worth playing? I played like three hours and got bored a few years ago and never went back. I loved S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and I've played the Elder Scrolls games
Carson Rogers
just play new vegas
Cooper Baker
You know he's dead right? That is who Maxon replaced.
Isaiah Ward
Elijah was a black sheep of the Brotherhood and his fascination with improving and making new technology instead of just hoarding it is a major reason why he was ousted. Even then, he didn't want to clean the wasteland of it's taint, merely control it in its current state.
Carson Russell
This is likely.
Jose Myers
The only totally leftist faction is the railroad. Single-issue social justice warriors who brainwash synths and turn them into raiders, because creating cannibalistic machete rape gangs is more humane than poor synthetic beings having to do mundane labor in the completely safe environment of the institute.
Jackson Gutierrez
The Legion disgusted me on a personal level. Ceaser may have had the right idea but his methods made me hate him. I'm against degeneracy as much as the next Sup Forumsack but I don't advocate pointless slaughter and enslavement
Levi Sullivan
Nice Politics
Mason Perez
>i think Bethesda just accidentally made them fascist by trying to give them a realistic outlook on the wasteland.
It's a lot like the Thalmor. Their emphasis on culture, racial purity, transcendent ideals, and dismantling the multicultural empire made them seem like fascists to a lot of people.
Joshua Price
All the factions in Fallout 4 are dead ends
Ryder Clark
muh feels over reals
Aiden Adams
This. Get some mods to improve the gameplay, but it's the only recent Fallout that is actually written well- and like Fallout.
Gavin Garcia
The Thalmor are boogeyman facists though
Literally no reason to like them
Jeremiah Moore
What is dead money Ceasers legion or the enclave! FUCKING HILARIOUS! enclave is already dead. Entirely. All major bases were destroyed by NCR and the brotherhood. Then all members were hunted down and killed by the NCR and brotherhood. The only ones that remained after fallout three is the remnants in New Vegas and Gannon. Gannon disallied himself from the enclave and the remnants are going to die very soon. Ceasers legion is a fucking joke. There will be either one of two things. A power struggle that results in it breaking apart in a civil war, or a revolution, considering that they are as self sufficient as the white talks in honest hearts.
Luke Jones
They're anti-technology zealots famous for using power-armor and airships with a philosophy made up for a video game. I wouldn't read too deeply into it.
Also hitler was a National Socialist, someone can hold right wing and left wing points of view simultaneously. The right-left spectrum is kind of bullshit really.
Thomas Garcia
>he unironically defends the people who want to destroy the entire universe
Spotted the retard.
Blake James
But they were extremely effective in his methods, while the NCR was a complete mess
Elijah Powell
>everything must be left wing or right wing
fuck off idiot.
Logan Wood
The Thalmor literally want to end mortal existence though.
Jose Wilson
The Thalmor literally did nothing wrong, but since you can't be one of them in the game there's no way you can't hate them.
Colton Hughes
>The theif who mostly sells their shit to you for a living, is gonna stop once you tell them to stop pickpocketing you
Mexico needs the USA more then the USA needs Mexico. And if the wall is even only 50% effective, it'll pay for itself in less then two years.
You seem to be under the delusion that its the USA's altruism that keeps people trading with them...
Julian James
...
Ethan Cooper
The amount of sales relative to the playtime it sees on steam relative to skyrim released long before it is pretty telling.
Tyler Bell
Nice quintes.
Owen Diaz
You stole my get you fucking quadruple nigger
Jonathan Sanders
underrated post
Nathaniel Ward
>accidently
They're subtle in political outlooks but they know what they're doing. At the same rate, they let the player choose.
I chose Railroad, because I'm actually black, and I chose the Imperials because I hate DONALD DRUMPF
John Reed
>Elijah
>Fallout 4
Elijah is from New Vegas, primarily the DLC Dead Money.
As far as factions in Fallout 4 go. I chose the Institute because as a Parent, I could see myself abandoning principals for the sake of my child, it also helped that they had the strongest leg to stand on in my opinion in terms of ideology. Advancing technology and cleaning up the wasteland.
The Railroad was autistic, putting the rights of vat grown people over the future of mankind and the Brotherhood is a textbook case of naive dogma. Wanting to totalitarian control over the people and halting all technological progress over an immature fear.
I saw the Minutement as a pointless middler of the road faction that could really be ignored.
Adrian Young
It took several factions which struggled to defeat the Enclave in the west. While the only way they could defeat them in DC is by plot armor and Liberty Prime. Plus they bases outside those areas
Levi Phillips
Yes man is anarchist. House is capitalist. I know those. Also, NCR barely beat an incredible minority of the brotherhood, despite incredibly overwhelming numbers. They are the equivalent of Russia. No skill, just numbers. Legion is pretty sound, but they don't treat people well enough, and there will eventually be a revolution.
Ethan Cook
All the factions in fallout 4 are shit, and frankly fallout 4 is shit in general. Its pretty fucking sad when i can beat the game within 5 hours. Even more so when doing so changes nothing about the world, except for , institute, railroad, or brotherhood is ded, big whoop de shit. Also the forced, UR SUPPBOSTED TO CARE BOUT DEM ROBOTS WHO THINK DEY IS HUMANS N SHIET morality garbage. Wears on my fucking sanity every time i pick up the game and makes we want to uninstall every time.
James Bailey
These NV faction arguments are the most contrarian bullshit ever. There is a new consensus every week, mostly because people want to be their own special snowflake and pick a unique faction.
Carson Williams
I forced myself to finish it just so I could stop playing and avoid yet another bullshit "save our asses because we're so fucking helpless" Minutemen quest. I didn't even listen to the Institute's offer, I just nuked the whole thing.
I don't expect to play it again until someone mods those dumb quests out of the game.
Alexander Anderson
If anyone is Alduin it's beyond a doubt Soros. His only goals in life are wrecking nations and impoverishing people through currency devaluation.