Voting age in the US

>raise the voting age to 25

What would even be the downside?

None really. It'd probably be for the best.

>old people vote themselves unlimited welfare for life
>young people can't do shit about it

Basically what has already happened with SS and medicare.

None. All those infowars videos of bernigger protestors are more than enough reason to up the voting age, or get rid of universal suffrage altogether

Remains to be seen. Who knows if the current libtard college kids will grow out of it this time.

I'd rather have people be forced to pass a test on current events and U.S. government. Doesn't have to be difficult or obscure, just enough to where you can weed out people that are completely fucking clueless.

Right, but if you can be drafted and die for your country in a war but aren't represented. That poses a problem.

Policies significantly affect people who are entering adulthood at 18. As such they should have a say.

No one should be able to vote except me desu.

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Well it's not like we vote anyway so it probably wouldn't matter. You'd just piss off a couple of people.

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Also, this

Demolish the draft, we don't need one when we're an all volunteer army.

Demoshits would lose their edge. Now they'd have to depend only on the beaner and woman vote.

boobie!

That's why they amended the Constitution.

All the posting on the Internet ever will never change the voting age.

Nah instead cut off voting at 65. Those old folks are near death's door; why should they have a say on things after they die.

How about we just make it so no one born after 1989 can vote

So then we enter some dystopian future where the last people born on 1989 die and then no one can vote?

Fucking THIS.

I'm shocked to hear a fellow leaf say it.

When you give every idiot a vote, and the unproductive classes outnumber the productive classes (ie: those that generate real tax money), those who stand to lose will vote for personal gain and ignore the greater good.

Giving women the vote was a major mistake, but we can't take it back now.

-Federal government worker? No federal vote for you.
-Get welfare? No voting for you: period.
-Provincial/State worker? No provincial elections for you.

And so on.

You should be over 25 and have a job that does not rely on tax dollars to get a say.

Otherwise, warm body democracy will fuck us all.

Yeah, 18 year olds are children. Little shits can't even buy alcohol. Hell, in California you can't even buy cigarettes, but go ahead and keep thinking that you can reasonably decide the effective leadership of an entire country.

>Not raising to 45

Raise the voting sex to male.

Make it based on taxes paid. If you pay several million dollars in taxes your vote should count for more than some lazy welfare leech.

Voting age should be increased.

The issue is that the state of adolescence is now extended into the early/mid twenties, since so many young adults are delaying entry into the workforce due to college and such. So we have a large swath of people age 18-22 or so that have essentially never worked an actual job besides retail side gigs while in college.

And of course we all know that the people who failed socialist/liberal policies appeal to the most are those that do not have jobs. In other words, niggers and college kiddies want gibsmedats. And it's fundamentally inappropriate to have these leech groups being allowed to vote themselves more free shit.

Honestly universal suffrage was a fucking mistake. Ideally it'd just be land-owning white males. But I'd be okay with doing it one step at a time. First it's changed to over 25. Then it's changed to those with stable jobs. Then it's only men. And finally only whites.

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Marian reforms build a thousand year Roman Empire.

All new citizen ships only given to 10 year service veterans of the army, entire population with military tier discipline, unstoppable super power for centuries. Until someone decides its easier to le the Mexicans fight your wars and you collapse internally.

>You should be over 25 and have a job that does not rely on tax dollars to get a say.

So are you disqualified from voting if you are employed by a company that gets tax breaks?

That's actually another good point. The problem with elderly voters is the same as with young adult voters. They're jobless and rely on handouts and will always vote for more statist welfare bullshit.

It's also the reason why we're in such a debt mess due to things like social security and medicare. Nobody is willing to seriously tackle these issues because if you actually do something about it, you'll lose the support of literally everyone >65yo, which is a death sentence to your electability.

Anyone on government bennies should not be entitled a vote. Too much of a conflict of interest.

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True tho

It should be exclusivly for Land owners, and or people who pay federal taxes. This shit where the parasites vote for more freebies is the death of any country

Yet at 18 they can go fight for their country. Shut the fuck up retard

why not /whitelandowner/ only?

I am under 25 and even I agree with this. Everyone my age is a brain dead cunt. I might also be a brain dead cunt for all I know.

Only land-owning (minimum size would be defined in the legislature) White males over the age of 25 should be able to vote.

Give me one reason why this would be a bad thing without resorting to emotionalism and feels.

Raise the enlistment age to 25. Or only let those who have served in the military and are under 25 vote. There, problem solved fag.

Then raise the draft age to 25.

If you can go to war then you can vote. Also drinking age should be 18 too.

Wishful thinking

"more black kids die before 25 than white kids therefore this law is racis"

Al Sharpton would totally say this

>Get Welfare? No working for you: Period.
Hmmm... that somehow sounds way too abusable.

>25 year Olds can vote
>old people

You guys are so fucking dumb I can't even read your replies

Repealing universal suffrage is the easiest way to retake and fix western civilization. The only other real alternative is forced deportations of nonwhites, which would also be great but is much harder to get people to support you for.

Even a dindu infested shit hole like south fucking africa was able to function decently despite only being a small fraction white, and all due to the limited suffrage.

But the way things are now, we have minorities coming across the border, who then vote overwhelming for leftists who support open borders so they can have even more minorities coming across the border, ad infinitum. Same goes with welfare. Minorities are able to vote for welfare, which allows them to raise more kids than they would otherwise. The artificially high birth rates results in even more minorities who then vote for even more welfare, etc etc etc. Positive feedback loop of statism.

Most of Sup Forums wouldn't be able to vote.

Whether that's a good or bad thing is debatable though.

So why can women vote if they cant be drafted?

I unironically suppport this idea at the local government level in Australia. Why should people who don't fucking pay rates get to vote on how the rate payer money is spent? Or indeed vote for candidates that might seek to increase the rates for me that they won't be paying.

It's gross and racist.

No gooks allowed in this thread, get out.

We don't even need to explicitly exclude non-whites from voting. It should just be based on taxes.

>when you register to vote you provide SSN
>running net tax burden starts getting counted at age 25, the first year you can vote
>the total amount of money that you've paid in taxes exceeds the total amount of money that you've received in means tested welfare, then you can vote. if it doesn't, then you can't vote

This would disenfranchise most minorities and most women. And, it is actually perfectly fair instead of a policy that would disenfranchise the outlier women/minorities that actually do contribute.

>small portion of our country goes to fight wars at 18
>therefore the other 99% of 18 year old retarded children in college should also get to vote even though they don't know jack fucking shit.

This isn't even consistent, btw. Drinking age is 21. Old enough to die for your country but not to get a beer?

It is inherently wrong to treat an individual as an adult in the face of society when it comes to obligations (conscription, legal status in crime, taxation, etc) and then disallow them the possibility to have their say.

In the same way that rights beget duties, so do duties beget rights.

The niggers would all be dead before they had a chance to vote

he's a backpacker breeding qt jungle azns

The drowning pool is over here, user.

Or we could save money by having them read and comprehend a bus schedule.

because then you could buy swathes of land to prevent people from voting?

I'm in favor of removing universal suffrage and restricting it to one vote per family with children.
No kids? No vote.
Getting divorced? You lose your vote.
Outlive your kids? Depends on whether your kids made at least one grandchild.

Here is how life goes

18-25 I am young and have debt and have no skills help me! (leftist)
25-30 I am getting by okay but not great (moderate)
30-60 Why the fuck are these parasites taking all my money! (rightist)
60-65 Shit i see retirement coming and idk if i have enough saved mmmm (moderate)
65-on I am old and can't work i need help (leftist)

So yeah. You need help at the beginning of your life and help at the end of it. Between then you don't want to help anyone cause you are making enough to support yourself.

The truth is people are selfish assholes short sighted. They want to get help and want others to pay for it when they need it then they want people who need help to leave them the fuck alone when they are making money.

How about just be fucking moderate the whole and accept that you needed help before and will again but also know people should not have to overextend for you to live in fucking luxury cause you sure as hell didn't extend that far for them in your prime.

also want to add, people that already own land could decide to just not sell it to people who would not vote the way they wanted them to

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Liberals will say that keeping retards from voting will prevent blacks and Mexicans from voting and that somehow makes somehow YOU the racist one.

they should be draftable. If not in combat roles they should be drafted into at least reserve roles. The fact they are not is bullshit.

This all the way

You're taking a fuzzy ideological stance on this issue, rather than one based in tangible pragmatism.

Due to the delayed adolescence of the modern age, 18-25 year olds are not experienced enough. They don't have jobs or property. They have little concept of what is "the real world" and vote heavily for fanciful unrealistic bullshit like socialism, because they don't know any better yet and don't have a personal stake like someone with an actual job.

But if it's really that big of a deal, you can vote early if you're in the armed forces.

Nothing wrong with this. The most successful people in society should be the ones who govern society,

More like:
>lower the maximum voting age to 49

We would never have another conservashit politician again. The inevitable death of baby boomers would be accelerated politically and we could finally truly progress in this country.

so you have no issue with the jews running the world?

>Can be tried as an adult.
>Can be drafted to fight and die for your country.

>Can't vote for the people who make the laws or wars

Yeah, nah. Piss off and raise your kids better, if they aren't turning out like you want them to when they hit 18.

That's retarded

You can set any sort of arbitrary standards to define who can or can't vote based on who you do or don't like using this logic

This is like a Democrat saying
>You make more than 200,000 a year? You don't vote
>You're a CEO? You don't vote
>You own a big business? You don't vote

At least with the age of 18 you can argue that a person is legally an adult at that age

The fact that you think women are capable of military roles is bullshit.

The real problem would be that a good chunk of college age kids would get fucked over, as would anyone new to the work-force. It'd quickly create an elite society, designed for those older and more experienced.

35 would be even better.

I'm not Khmer, clappyfat.

This

>>lower the maximum voting age to 49
This. We need to kill off the old people who will be choking our economy to death with the SS benefits they've voted in for themselves.

Katy Perry is one dumb chick.

How about we make this simple and abolish the state and allow natural hierarchies to organize?

>It'd quickly create an elite society,
How is this bad?

They can do something. Are you telling me the milary could not find jobs for woman? They can cook, clean, drive, do secretary work, do logistics and help in various support roles. Intelligence doesn't mean you can't be useful.

This is really a genius idea. Disenfranchise the working people at the top of their earning years who pay the most payroll taxes, as well as seniors who pay the majority of property taxes.

Are you fucking stupid?

No, he is not an adult since Obama said that children can be on their parents insurance till age 26.

Even more stagnant political system. The US is totally incapable of taking care of the citizens in a modern way.

Add; "exceptions for military" and were good.

Frankly all of that would be good too in addition to Not that those people are a huge percentage of the populace or anything. Their money is more important than their votes.

The underlying premise of your argument is flawed. Bennies are never needed. All they do is result in unproductive rent-seekers who just sit back and ride the gibsmedat wave.

You know what we had before an extensive welfare nanny state? Your parents helped you get a leg up on life when you were started off on your own. And when you got old, your children helped take care of you. Of course now this doesn't happen and we've just replaced it with a nanny state, which has also resulted in the decline of the family unit.

Your solution doesn't even make any sense "just be moderate guys!". That's like just telling everyone to vote for what's right and then expecting everything to work out fine. What you propose is just the current system, which has lead to today's scenario in which we have spiraling debt bubbles and financial crises all due to welfare state ponzi schemes that are literally unable to be fixed due to voting demographics.

You actually could buy alcohol at 18 at one point, but that was changed to 21 because of drunk driving. If people can't vote until 25 then they shouldn't be tried as adults until 25 or drafted in the military, and we all know what a disaster the former would be.

The difference is the people on the higher end of the curve are productive members of society. Richfags are also far fewer and there isn't some massive voting block of people making >200k that have a stranglehold at the voting booths.

Of course, corporate globalist shills also have their own corporate welfare through lobbying and such, but that's an entirely separate issue that should also be sorted out.

You can be tried as an adult when you turn 18. Unless you're suggesting we should change that to 25 too?

>You actually could buy alcohol at 18 at one point, but that was changed to 21 because of drunk driving.

And likewise, the voting age is currently 18 but should be changed to 21 because of to many retarded socialists with no real life experience in that demographic. Arguably worse for society as a whole than a few drunk drivers.

if you want to create some criteria, like being a neet, or dependent on the state, you might have a better case, though I will still disagree with you.

Age by itself though is not a valid criteria unless you want to change their legal status from adults to minors. And I'll disagree with that too.

Since I, as a left wing guy with a leaning towards direct democracy will mostly disagree with these ideas, let me just say that the only sensible restriction to voting amounts to tests on history, culture, and political philosophy and ideologies (that sort of hurt to say as someone studying in stem, but yeah), and even that can be a bit sketchy.

Socialism is not " fanciful unrealistic bullshit" in itself, but most state heavy propositions disregard how competition is a major driver in innovation and civilizational progress. Nevertheless it is a net positive for state intervention to scale on vital demands of the population when demand is inelastic in relation to price.

Doesn't solve anything. The problem isn't that the young are voting, it's that the politically illiterate are. Universal suffrage was a mistake. We don't allow people to just start driving cars without a series of tests to prove their competency, why do we allow them to affect change on the most important institution in the world without any level of proven understanding?

I'm 20 and I agree. In fact I would even make it as high as 35

The different things we're talking about (age vs welfare usage vs knowledge) are all just proxies for the same thing, since they correlate. It's just easier to go with an age cutoff since it's easier to define. If you base it on something like benny usage, then that could quickly spiral out of control until you end up with something not unlike a tax code to determine who can or cannot vote. Too many ins and outs. And the knowledge test is too subjective and abusable.

And voting for a presidential candidate you don't like is nowhere near equatable to people literally dying because other people were driving drunk

Even if a president is the most corrupt guy on the planet there are checks and balances and limitations to what he can do. The supreme court can stop him, Congress can stop him, etc. This is no way the same as getting hit by a drunk driver

babysteps.

No need to split hairs. It's a starting point.

Government employees are massive voting blocks who like to bitch about their entitlements.

Unless you're a Trump supporter, there is no downside

Then District a will control district b and vise versa. There is no escape from corruption

This is why young people shouldn't vote. We need to cut out as many left-wing demographics as possible.
>blacks
>Borderjumpers
>Women
>Young people
>Fags
>Muslims
>Poor people

Except voting applies to more than just the president. You vote for everyone that governs you, more or less, except for the judiciary branch.

if youre old enough to be sent off to die for your country, youre old enough to vote. This doesn't apply to women though since theyre never gonna be drafted.

This guy gets it.

Tell that to Lance Corporal Schmuckatelli who's in the field on his 19th birthday digging a fighting hole and training for a war that he has absolutely zero right to representation.

Please go fuck yourself.