What league should expand to San Diego next if the Chargers leave in 2017?

What league should expand to San Diego next if the Chargers leave in 2017?

mls

San Diego is a better candidate for relocation than expansion.

San Diego is the 8th largest city in the US.

MLS is the correct answer.
California has a lot of hipsters and mexicans and money. I don't think it's possible to fuck up having a soccer team in Cali.

They already have a baseball team
Isn't that enough

No NBA team
No NHL team
Should have an NFL team

8th largest city
Booming media market
Including TJ, 5 million people.

We should have as many teams as the Bay Area

That's irrelevant. MLS, the NBA, the NHL, and MLB could each expand by a maximum of 2 team (1 for NHL). MLB is already in SD, so that's out. And for all the others, there are more compelling markets to go to.

But there are lots of teams across the 5 leagues that are in shitty markets, making SD an upgrade if they relocate.

> Booming media market
Not correct.

> Including TJ, 5 million people.
Fucking irrelevant, local sports stations (which are what every league except the NFL uses) don't broadcast across the border

> We should have as many teams as the Bay Area
Except the Bay Area has far more people, far more money, and a much larger corporate base.

but how big is it's market share? isn't san diego full of transplants that won't support a san diego team?

San Antonio is the 7th largest and only has the NBA.

>local sports stations (which are what every league except the NFL uses) don't broadcast across the border

retards actually believe this

Tijuana-San Diego has a higher population growth than the Bay Area.

Fox Sports San Diego doesn't broadcast into Mexico you dumb fucking nigger.

Tijuana has zero fucking bearing on anything. Get that through your head.

Going by lists that count by metro population only is missing the larger picture.

The answer is NBA or MLS

>NFL just left so obviously not coming back right away
>already have MLB
>NHL doesn't need 4 California teams

Except that's wrong. The Bay Area is growing faster both in terms of the metro area and CSA.

Bay Area CSA: +6.87% 2010-2012
San Diego CSA: +6.60% 2010-2012

Bay Area metros: +7.4%/+7.62% 2010-2015
San Diego metro: +6.6% 2010-2015

I know. That's the point.

>not including Tijuana

How will they attend games when there is a wall?

San Diego only has transplants kind of like Phoenix. Actually I'm surprised Phoenix has that many teams considering they have no fans.

Nobody includes Tiajuana you dumb piece of shit. Television networks don't. Leagues don't. The census bureau doesn't.

There is near as makes no difference zero attendance/spending coming from Tiajuana on San Diego sports on the US side of the border.

There's already a wall. The entire California border has a barrier.

Also, none.

NFL hasn't left yet though

I just hope sports media doesnt see us as an appendage of LA

Nice digits.

And to some extent, they do see SD like that. It's like how Sacramento is viewed as a smaller appendage of the Bay Area.

Yeah but if they're still there they won't give SD another team. It's between NBA and MLS and MLS makes more sense. The NBA already has 4 teams in California

It's not beneath them to do that.

LAngelinos on Sup Forums will unironically claim that bringing the raiders to Las Vegas makes it an L.A. team once again because of LAS VEGAS IS IN MUH CULTURAL CORRIDOR. Heck a few of them have been retarded enough to say that Las Vegas is part of metropolitan LA

MLS will have 4 teams in California by the time San Diego could be near the top of the list for expansion. If anything, you relocate the Clippers back to SD.

It's only one shitposter saying that las Vegas is part of LA metro area, you idiot

>I just hope sports media doesnt see us as an appendage of LA
but that's literally what san diego is

Kind of sad really. A top ten city by population will have one major pro team, and it's like the most pathetic one in its league. How does that even happen?

4? Who's ahead of SD?

You can be friends with San Antonio.

You obviously don't remember Chivas

1) Earthquakes
2) Galaxy
3) LAFC
4) Republic

How the fuck is Sacramento ahead of SD in any sport considering SD is MUCH larger, faster growing, and is more known world wide?

SD is an international city. Sac isn't

SD used to have an NBA team. Now it's the LA Clippers.

>SD is an international city

that's literally the reason why they can't support a local sports team

You ought to do some reading about MLS expansion before spouting off like a retard.

Sacramento already has an MLS caliber stadium approved and they have the most commercially successful USL team. Plus they have two other pro sports teams (Kings and 49ers) as investors. San Diego has literally none of that.

They had 2. The Rockets started in SD and left for Houston. Then after that, the Clippers moved from Buffalo to SD before going to LA.

Wasted quads on San Diego

Good work

Why doesn't Tijuana count? They get San Diego radio and TV

They don't get FS SD and don't attend games.

Why doesn't Vancouver count for Seattle? Why doesn't Toronto count for Buffalo?

Don't the gulls draw well in SD? Maybe NHL

San Diego isn't a fucking sports market; it's an area where rich people that don't give a shit about sports have transplanted or have time shares. Nobody in San Diego does anything except lay around and get faded.

This is correct. There's no motivation to do anything in San Diego besides surf, drink, and smoke weed. There's shit for public transportation is another huge thing. MLS is the only one that would do ok there by their standards. It's just not a sports town for anyone else.

Chargers and the Spanos had a shot but they severely fucked it up.

SD is more seperate from LA than sac is from the Bay Area

Sac is literally the IE of NorCal

Non California here - is SD as major as SF to you guys?

I'm not Cali but have been to both several times. They may as well be in seperate states. It's Bay Area vs. SoCal. Completely different places in amost every way.

But they're both cuck?

It's almost much exactly the same (a bit shy of 100 miles) when you measure from venue to venue and it's only slightly farther if you measure from center to center.

They both have Mexicans. SD is basically Mexico tho, so it's got the edge there

San Diego proper is larger in area and population than San Francisco. But San Francisco is the center of a much larger metro area, is a much larger global destination, and is a much larger business and cultural center. So I (and I suspect most people) would consider San Francisco more major.

But SD is further culturally from LA than Sac is from SF

Sac has grown much like the IE has for LA

Well San Diego doesn't even have a USL team. Sacramento has a 20,000 season ticket holders and a stadium waiting to be built. I agree San Diego is much better in terms of a market for soccer growth in the USA

Only in theory. In practice it has proven it isn't.

San Diego would give So Cal 3 MLS teams, something I think MLS needs

Which doesn't address the observed fact that for whatever reason, soccer has been much more successful in Sacramento than San Diego. It doesn't matter if SD look better on paper if it doesn't match that in practical reality.

That all if you're talking either-or, which MLS is right now. Maybe in the next round of expansion, SD will have a better shot and both Sac and SD will end up with teams, but I doubt it.

Honestly why should they expand to SD? LA seems oversaturated already

This. Go to any Charger game and half the crowd are fans of the other team.

Most people in Sacramento are SF Bay sports fans

They would just be Earthquake home games like Kings games are Laker and Warrior home games

There isn't a deep sense of local identity in Sacramento that there in San Diego

Only for Raider games

I am curious to see what is going to happen with the Galaxy once LAFC starts playing. LAFC is going to have the better stadium, location, and more star power and promotional ability among the ownership group.

That's completely false. The Kings, despite being dog shit, have a very loyal following around the Sacramento area. And Republic has built a fanbase and business that blows every other USL teams out of the water. For football, baseball, and hockey they defer to the Bay Area simply because they don't have teams for those sports.

San Diego has no identity. The Chargers are gone and nobody gives a fuck about the Padres. People think LA has a lazy, "who gives a fuck?" sports culture, but San Diego's is an order of magnitude worse.

Yeah but they don't have a rival like the animosity that SD has to LA. They have no identity

At least SD has the whole "we aren't LA" thing going on that automatically creates rivalries with them. It's like Canada vs US - even though canada is a lot smaller part of its identity is not being LA

There is no rivalry between LA and SD sports.

Padres Dodgers?
Raiders Chargers?

San Diego's primary contribution to world culture is the fish taco, but they should have a any team before Phoenix or Las Vegas.

The Dodgers main rivalry has always been and will always be with the Giants.

The Raiders are not in LA and won't be ever again.

John Moores currently owns expansion rights to any MLS team that comes to SD. It's a big part of why he supported Measure C. He wanted to get the Chargers downtown so he could tear down Qualcomm and build a new, more appropriately sized stadium for the Aztecs and the MLS team should it ever happen, before surrounding it with expansion campuses for SDSU and/or UCSD.
This is also in incredibly valid point however. If San Diego ever gets an MLS team, it can't count on TJ as justification, especially since they already have the Xolos.

The whole point is like the US/Canada rivalry, even though the bigger entity doesn't really recognize it (US/LA), the smaller entity (Canada/SD) uses it as a way to find a sense of self

What are the chances the Chargers are leaving?

90%

More of an identity than Sacramento

Create something new and give a team to another state.

LA sports is all Lakers/Dodgers bandwagon culture, depending on who's better at any given time.

Maybe Iowa could get a team in a possible shake-up/expansion. It's kind of unfortunate that so many of the "western" cities are in Texas, then you sort of have a wasteland between there and Cali/west coast with some landmark cities like Denver, Phoenix, and Vegas.
Come to think of it, Phoenix doesn't have an NFL team... but they have U of A and AZ State. Hmm

PHX/AZ has the Cardinals brother....

To add another team to AZ it would have to be from Tucson. Nothing else would work. Phoenix Cardinals and... Tucson Bobcats? Scorpions?

And yet still no identity. Cry more about it. SD will never be anything more than LA's appendix. At least Sacramento has the good sense to know it's place.

A bandwagon is better than not showing up and routinely being outnumbered by fans of opposing teams.

99%

>They would just be Earthquake home games like Kings games are Laker and Warrior home games
No they wont, Sacramento already has the best fanbase in USL and sells out all their games. The front office managed to build a solid fanbase and is getting support from the local government and local investors.

What's Sacramento's identity besides being the capital city of California?

What the fuck is the USL?

What's San Diego's identity besides being smaller and less well known than LA but with the same culture?

its republican california for one

>bitching about only having an MLB team

i'd gladly give you the jaguars, to have baseball in Jacksonville

2 of its 3 state senators are Democrats.

3 of its 4 state assembly members are Democrats.

3 of its 5 members of the House of Representatives are Democrats.

5 of it's 9 city council members are Democrats.

Both the county has voted solidly Democratic for President for the past 3 cycles, and SD proper is more liberal than the wider county.

Admittedly, the mayor is Republican... so you've got that.

Sea world?
Beaches?
Gaslamp?
Military?

All more known than Sacramento

You're insecure as fuck. It's fucking pathetic.

> a theme park
> some shit that all of southern California is known for except the ones in LA and Orange counties are more well known
> a trendy neighborhood with bars/restaurants/nightlife, something that tons of major cities have
> something dependent entirely on federal spending

Sacramento was the base of operations for the gold rush, home of the Central Pacific Railroad, and the western terminus of the original line of the first transcontinental railroad. They seem to be able to know what they are and what they aren't without being whiny little bitches about it. You on the other hand...

You mean the two things that'd still happen in LA if the Chargers went there?

San Diego is actually the big city with the small town feel that serves as a Navy hub, that used to proudly hold up Shamu as a mascot. LA is Hollywood, traffic, gang and celebrity culture. Really the only things they have in common is geography.

this, coming from a socal fag. Nobody has hometown pride (except for places like National City) unlike LA or the Bay Area and getting a loyal fan base for sports here is very difficult. I'd say the best thing for this city is an MLS expansion, since the high hispanic population (like more real hispanics than LA since it's closer to the border) and lack of other teams in more prominent sports to support will guarantee it a good following.

LA will always be Lakers town, no matter how shitty the Lakers get or how good the Clippers become

san diego is an awesome place to live but because of that fact it's made up of a ton of transplants from the east coast and elsewhere, and no one except 50 yr old mexican dads cares about local sports.

NBA
move the kings there