What is the cost of freedom?

What is the cost of freedom?

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Security.

No no no. Freedom is the cost of security.

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at this point lots of killing. War scale. But really the cost is safety and luxury.

> (OP) (You)
>at this point lots of killing. War scale. But really the cost is safety and luxury.
But if we had true freedom, couldn't we defend ourselves?

The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness. -Robert A. Heinlein

I was going to say safety but we're on the same page.

Bout three fiddy

Interesting but wrong. A battle fought with out a plan is assured failure.

Those who would sacrifice liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither.

good luck defending yourself while you're sleeping or out numbered. You would be lucky if someone gave up their freedom to keep you safe.

And death is the cost of Freedom. Freedom from this life

Ideology. It has to be destroyed.

A muzzie comes running up to you swinging a machete yelling "Aloha kebab" you better react by instinct and draw your Ruger pistol and put rounds on target.

Unless you are a noguns unarmed cuck begging the state for protection with their monopoly on force from your knees.

Blood, sweat and tears.

About three dollar and fitty cen.

Everything comes at a cost user, nothing is free. Security costs freedom, it is difficult to walk the line between what is acceptable. And it's not safety, it's a lot more cynical than that. Our government is prepared to keep functioning no matter what, massive individual loss of life is of concern, but not as much as insuring that the country endures. Sacrifice must be made so that we can continue.

Battle fought on a massive scale sir requires planning. Also why the fuck would I carry a ruger? There's better for the price.

>Everything comes at a cost user, nothing is free. Security costs freedom, it is difficult to walk the line between what is acceptable. And it's not safety, it's a lot more cynical than that. Our government is prepared to keep functioning no matter what, massive individual loss of life is of concern, but not as much as insuring that the country endures. Sacrifice must be made so that we can continue.

What is this "we", or who is it?

Every modern western country. Critical infrastructure protection is the number one goal. Things must go on.

>Every modern western country. Critical infrastructure protection is the number one goal. Things must go on.

Hmm the Western Europe of the early 20th century did with the war, leading to the cucks we see now.

interesting but not 100% right either. A fast poorly planned move is better than a slow well thought out move in terms of combat. dumbed down is whoever hits the other guy first.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

>The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Interesting, care to elaborate?

meaningfulness

The lives of the men who protect it.
And the degeneration of the women who enjoy it.

yeah well things dont always go as planned, as idiots have the tendency to not die out quickly enough, and thus bring about poor judgement to democracy

no. because this thread is stupid, you're stupid, your mom is stupid. There is no such thing as true freedom. We are all slaves to something. Slaves to money. Slaves to women. Slaves to our own bodies.

Some would argue we have freedom of mind. If you call living in a box freedom. Your mind can only do what its capable of doing. Plus with all the patterns you see in people's thought I doubt you have freedom there either.

my dick is bigger than yours, you lose!

Freedom is a buck-o'nine

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>assuming
>2k17
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>current era
>not posting full frontal pic or didn't happen
>memearrows for assuming instead of implying
>not having vestigial dick

How fucking cringy can you be?

Welp. Threads dead. Thanks guys. OP out.

>Threads dead
implying
>OP out
wow you're so important we can't post anymore.

Well hes not exactly wrong. You're free from your worldly chains. Death isn't what people think it is though. I've not heard an explanation of what happens after death thats even close to right.

Correct. The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance and the blood of patriots. You aren't free if you're secure/safe, that's called the isolation wing in prison.

Both my legs and my left arm.

>buried in the ground, it is.

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>patriots
Nationalism is a cancer that only creates danger for anyone involved.

Responsibility.

the cost is to abide by laws, and obey.

Nationalism is freedom from authoritarian tyrants.

But nationalism is losing your freedom to follow an authoritarian tyrant of the State.

All I know is that freedom isn't free. No, there's a hefty fuckin' fee.

No, it certainly is not. Nationalism is fighting for the sovereignty of your nation against the threat of authoritarian rule by other countries, who claim to know what is best for you. You're either a Nationalist, or a Globalist (aka authoritarian).

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."

Freedom costs $1.05

Killing of those who won't respect it.

There's also a difference in definition between American Nationalism and European Nationalism, which can lead to confusion.

This is the American definition, which confuses Europeans since they think of something more like what you said, something like Hitler.

American Nationalism is what is being attacked on the news, since they're equating it to the European version, knowing that most people don't know the difference.

Oh and it's also the duty of the patriots to overthrow their own government if it becomes tyrannical. I'd like to see people try that under a Globalist One World Order, lol. That's in the US Declaration of Independence btw, but schools typically stop quoting it before that part. Don't want any free thinkers after all.

What IS right?

The blood of your finest young men.

FREEDOM COSTS A BUCK O' FIVE

5 bucks

And this is exactly why the west is overrun with muslims.
It is a crime to be proud of your own race and country.

You are a fucking disgrace

>west overrun with muslims
>wut

Too bad the story's hero has become the thug now, and the mindless sheep are sacrificing their freedom to his offer of fake security/safety

Yeah, you're right. Hitler, Himmler and Heydrich should've finished the job they set out to do with you slavs.

No being a commie

You're not exactly smart huh

VIGILANCE

You slavs?
I am german

its like sleeping without dreams forever.

really? I hope so. do you agree with me?

Freedom isn't free. It costs folks like you and me.

If you don't throw in your buck'o five, who will?

Blood.

slaves

Retard, patriotism and nationalism are distinct.

You're even more retarded than the guy you're responding to.

Why, because I looked past his conflating things and just corrected his misconceptions? Or because you're a commie? lol

Because you gave such a rigid and unrrealistic dichotomy; pinning people only as nationalist and globalist greatly overcondenses other approaches to contemporary issues and puts separate yet vaguely similar ideas into those two categories. For instance, a patriot would be instantly pinned a nationalist despite being different. Likewise, someone who merely believes a degree of communication and trade between countries is mutually beneficial will get pinned a globalist shill trying to bring us into a world similar to Aldous Huxley's vision.

A Buck oh five

In other words, your ideas only start shit, not solve it.

That's because you are either one or the other. I didn't go into the general distinction of being a patriot since that overcomplicates things for people who can't even grasp what Nationalism is. Start small, go big later.

Trade is something very old and entirely different from Globalism. Anyone who conflates trade and Globalism is equally an idiot.

But you aren't, people are too complex for that.

Our grandfathers

Those are the only two options in this world, so unless you just don't know where you stand, then you will align with one of the other.

Wow, this took longer than I thought it would.

*or

I've heard people argue that before btw. When they get done explaining themselves, they clearly fit under Globalism. They support a majority of Globalist ideas, like imposing their will on other nations, via trade, immigration, etc. If you are a true Nationalist, then you stick to your own country and don't impose yourself on others.

The US used to be like that, but we've been overtaken by Globalist interests.

Your fucking mom

That's by far one of the most narrow and closed concepts ever proposed, a patriot does not a nationalist make and would detest to fall into either category of a constructed war between two entities that are almost completely fictional if played your way. You talk about conflation from your detractors but your false dichotomy leaves us to that as the only ending.

Look what happened after pearl harbor. Did the Americans lose?

true freedom?

Anarchy

A little bit pessimistic, but very true nontheless.

Slavery has not ended. It has merely put another more soft mask on disguised as 'work'

Strictly speaking, patriots are actually nationalistic by definition, since they support their country. You have no countries or sovereignty under Globalism.

When you die everything goes black, every sound fades as you pass into nothingness to your senses, yet become connected to everything in the form of energy.

>le big words make me sound smart maymay

its taken too long for someone to post this fucking picture. i hate all of you faggots

The feeling is mutual.

No, Nationalism is appreciation, support, and aggressive interest in expanding and preserving the ideas of a national identity, which is not exclusive to a country. Nationalism encompasses groups like Nazis, Black Power, White Power, Gandhi's supporters, the IRA, and so on.

Patriotism is the love for one's country and only operates defensively when necessary. Patriot groups include the NRA and various revolutionary forces who fought to end authoritarian rules in favor of establishing a free country with it's own identity. While related, they are distinct. If we were to follow your logic and apply it to Capitalism vs. Communism, then that completely cuts out socialists and syndicalists and American Liberals and moderate capitalists. Just because they're related and sway closer to one way or the other, doesn't make them part of that collection, hence false dichotomy fallacy.

>words like "detest," "construct," and "fictional" are "big words"
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Incorrect. You apparently completely missed my pointing out the differences between American Nationalism and European Nationalism. You're definition of Nationalism is the European one.

*your hate it when I do that, lol.

Irrelevant, American Nationalism is fundamentally the same as European with the added distinction the former is merely a subset or perhaps a variant of the latter and espouses ideals held by people from specifically the USA.

A buck o' five.

Agreed.

But that means telling all the people with money and guns to take a hike. Anarchists always end up taking it on the chin, which in a weird way shows that our ideas have merit.