Bird flew edition
What have you been listening to lately and how is it? Any recent purchases?
What jazz albums do you think are the most underrated?
Post/share/discuss jazz.
Man how Bird flew.
Bird flew edition
What have you been listening to lately and how is it? Any recent purchases?
What jazz albums do you think are the most underrated?
Post/share/discuss jazz.
Man how Bird flew.
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man I just look at this thread and I'm immediately bored
I've given up on jazz
I'm just getting into it.
Got myself a Miles Davis CD.
I've been listening to Life to Everything by Phronesis recently and it's perfect.
I've also recently purchased In for a Penny, In for a Pound. I only listened to it once so far but I'll be coming back to it quite a bit because it was a good listen and the compositions are interesting.
Sing Sing Penelope's self titled is a great underrated album, one of the best electric keyboard playing you'll hear.
How do you get into Duke Ellington's discog?
I'm a jazz newfig
saxophone
Acid Jazz
which one?
Someone should really make a Duke Ellington flowchart
Ya with Duke you generally go thru his early recordings by label: Duke Ellington Decca recordings, Victor, etc etc. There are compilations of each, pic related wud be good for the first one of those
Then once you get into the 50s and 60s there are several well known albums to check out, which is where anyone new to him will want to start.
I recommend Ellington at Newport; Black, Brown and Beige; Duke Ellington and John Coltrane; and Money Jungle
Happy Dukin'!
>I've also recently purchased In for a Penny, In for a Pound
daamn nice, CD or wax?
gonna check out the other stuff, sounds cool
I need more shit like this
Hey wait a tick! That's the sampe from Electric Relaxation by A Tribe Called Quest!
wooooah
wamp, squawk
>post-war Jazz
Hue hue hue
>he's not talking about the first world war
euh
>pre-war jazz
So pop?
Kind of blue
atta boy
/jazz/ threads need more controversy.
what are your most controversial jazz related opinions?
I'll start: all ECM jazz is terrible
>/jazz/ threads need more controversy
I disagree. Why do you think so? I think they don't because that would cause shitposting and malcontent. How can you refute this?
>all ECM jazz is terrible
Seems a shitpost to me. Have you listened to all ECM jazz? I find that very hard to believe that all ECM jazz is terrible.
who is the nigga in the op
bird yo
bird flew
Charlie "Yardbird" Parker
thats not Yardbird
yeah it is, i just changed the filename
well shit i musta been born yesterday right
it's clearly Harley "Hardwood" Jenkins
>Why do you think so?
Because otherwise every post is just:
>X is good!
And nobody replies and the thread dies
I think that's kind of a thing in general with jazz, though. It's just good in general, so discussion of it is inevitably slower. All of the jazz drama is either trite (fusion being jazz or not) or manufactured meme bullshit like what goes on in /classical/. I'd welcome more Herbieposting but I like that /jazz/ is civil and slow.
what makes electric miles davis so fucking good? i just listened to most of big fun and the dude just oozed musical ideas constantly. seriously the stretch from in a silent way to big fun is literally flawless
I think rather than fixing that by adding conflict to the general we can fix it by trying harder to discuss jazz.
I never see people quoting time codes and saying stuff like "man that sax solo at 4:30 blows my tits off", or "did anyone notice how the counterpoint introduced at 2:11 etcetcetcetc".
It's Sup Forums - music not /cont/ - Controversy
Get more in depth with the discussion, discuss players, discuss instruments, discuss history, trade facts, rec, rec, rec. There is so much to be talked about.
Personally, I don't come here (/jazz/ anyway) to argue but I suppose if some do that's ok; you're free to air your complaints or take issue with something someone said if you want to. But I dont think making a point to simply have more controversy for controversy's sake is going to make things overall any better.
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free improvisation > jazz
>I never see people quoting time codes and saying stuff like "man that sax solo at 4:30 blows my tits off", or "did anyone notice how the counterpoint introduced at 2:11 etcetcetcetc"
/blindfold/ was the only place I saw that level of discussion and those threads were even more dead than the /jazz/ generals
JAZZ THREAD O CLOCK!?!?!
O well, that's why he's Miles Davis!
and a big reason why the electric shit kicked so much ass is this guy right here
Also Corea/Herbie/Jarrett
I notice how the 3rd track "Go Ahead John" doesn't have any keyboards? What do you think of this? Generally yay or nay? I think it takes away a lot from the electric sound but it sure gives Davis and McLaughlin a chance to stretch out. And the bass just playing that E over and over gets pretty hypnotic.
I agree we should expand upon this.
Cecil Taylor?
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how do I learn to play the jazz
2bh I've always been a horrible procrastinator and I never got into those because I put off listening to the tracks so much the threads would always expire.
Fug.
But now is my chance... Now its OUR CHANCE!!!!
I'm not a huge fan of piano free improv. I was thinking more like Evan Parker and Derek Bailey
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Outside of this shit, I've also been listening to Art Pepper and Wynton Kelly
google the search (short answer learn chord theory)
wait I forgot jazz is supposed to be the music of no rules
just get some friends over... actually typing this made me realize that some of us may need to learn how to socialize rather than learn to play jazz if playing jazz is what we want to do.
YEAYa
If you think Big Fun is good then you should check out Dark Magus, Get Up with It, and Agartha.
Cecil Taylor is a mother fucker and a half but hes still jazz, imo.
You want controversy? i think Wayne Shorters solos in the 2nd quintet, especially in its earlier stages, kinda suck.
Being a huge fan of free jazz i would have to disagree but this is probably due to have different definitions of free improvisation.
REEE ECM IS AMAZING
In for a Penny fucked me up a whole lot when i first heard it man.
Hooooooooooo!
Rate my playlist my dudes
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Why is this album so GOOD FUCK
Joey Baron is my muthaphukkin mulatto
also I havnt heard Fulton Street Maul am I gonna get mauled?
also Bloodcount. That is all.
>Cecil Taylor is a mother fucker and a half but hes still jazz, imo
aw man you needa go Duke Ellington and come up out ur categories. who cares what its classified as its fuckin great
>You want controversy? i think Wayne Shorters solos in the 2nd quintet, especially in its earlier stages, kinda suck.
ooo thats a spicy one. Ill have to get back to you about that.
>In for a Penny fucked me up a whole lot when i first heard it man.
reading this made me kek. fuck man.. Threadgill...
anyone seen this before?
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(the lady at the start scares me)
favorite parts?
I just love Thelonius in small settings like this (solo or with a small band) where he can make use of silence. It's beautiful, and I'm almost certain All Alone is based on a Chopin piece, I just can't figure out which one.
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It's one of these two, I'm certain of it
Oh fuck yes.
I forget witch Aerobatics it is, somewhere in the middle of the record, he plays the fuckin longestest-held note ive ever feckin herd
I'm not gonna ask for ur favourite Bailey but, would you be down to listen to one of his albums in tandem and talk about it? I havnt heard Concert in Milwaukee yet
Oh but wait I'm gonna put on Fulton Street Maul anyone care to join me?
re-posting this cause it's fuckin insane
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I just watched all of this. Jimmy Crawford on drums, was a favorite of paul motian.
That sounds really interesting, I can't right now but I'd happily some other time, do you have some way we can stay in touch? I've been slowly working my way through his album with Dave Holland lately.
How does /jazz/ feel about dark jazz like Bohren & der Club of Gore?
I'll just... put this here
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I made the last 2 threads, this one included, so I'll just make the next one tmrw if this one dies then just make your presence known when youre ready and then well fuckin jayam homeboi
Hey Nuff im starting Maul... god damn i love odd patterns like that, go bassist go! (0:43)
Go Hank Roberts go! Holy shit he's playing the head along with Berne and it almost sounds like 2 horns, thats dope (2:13)
I downloaded some dark jazz from a sharethread once and liked it, think it was Exit Oz?
Havnt heard the dudes ur talkin about but il be addin em to the list
eh im too stoned and listening to donald fagen. spent all day looking at whacky ass art and getting this gig/session together for next week.
sure thing mah boy, ill see you then
ok cool. also posting like that is mad tiring lol
that all sounds pretty neat. cheers famo!
who dat?
How do you really critique jazz? I'm wanting to deeply get into the genre, but I find it difficult to differentiate between good and bad jazz. What do I need to do? What am I missing?
zoot sims
ah thx, I thot it mightve been a tnetennba :p
that's people's problem man! just lay back and enjoy the riiide dont think you gotta sort the jazz into piles of good and bad... it's all good baby, how do you think these fools made it to wax? Srsly man yall niggas overthink shit way too much
pls/thx newfig
i thought i had that problem when i first starting listening but it was really because i hadnt heard of anything bad, if your just listening to like the greats, which is what most people are into. like all that shits good, what have you been listening to?
jazz really opens up
if you dont like it then you dont like the musician's mind at that point
if you do then so be it you like it
its not made for mass media and hubub, just music to pay close attention to
dont get me wrong I'm not all too melodic when it comes to jazz but you must believe in spring is really doing me good right now
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Fuckin love Berne's shit so much like how he'll usually have a free solo but over a funky beat or an odd time sig beat
~3:40-3:46 in Miniature just lit my nips aflame, that crazy trilly thing
I hope that dumbass from yesterday got the memo ;)
>i think Wayne Shorters solos in the 2nd quintet, especially in its earlier stages, kinda suck
How do you mean? Uninteresting? Or too try hard?
the language lacks color and i dont think he swings particularly hard. and man ive really really tried to dig his stuff but i can always pick him and hubbard out of a line up and not in a good way.
>and hubbard
whaaat rly? he can be kinda cliché and cheesy on his straight ahead shit but come on he played on Coleman's free jazz. Can you pick out his playing in that? I wudnt be entirely surprised if you could but it might give you some different perspective or somethin
I know Monk listened to Chopin. Parker too. So its quite likely
>what are your most controversial jazz related opinions?
Bitches Brew is outstanding, but In a Silent Way was a disappointment like no other. Alice Coltrane's Journey in Satchidananda is just bad.
Haha it's funny you say that because I find Hubbard's playing to feel like plastic, but Shorter's to be very vibrant, even with Davis. To each their own I guess
Wud u say he sounds more plastic than Ornette Coleman's horn? Heh heh... jazz humour... heh... plastic horn..
I agree 100% with all three of those statements, although In a Silent Way has grown on me slightly over the years.
I would add to that that the Sketches of Spain are also far more intelligently constructed than IaSW, and that it's in the running as Miles' best album.
>what are your most controversial opinions?
I have some:
1.) Rudy van Gelder was a fine producer, musicians like Mingus just didn't like him because he was an auteur like they were
2.) Progressive Rock at its best is usually superior to Jazz Fusion, as the former is trying to make rock more complex and the latter is trying to make Jazz more accessible. This often results in lots of prog arrangements and ideas being more interesting, in my mind, as the pursuit of accessibility often stultifies music and makes it more conventional. Having said that, perhaps contradicting myself, lots of albums sometimes listed as fusion (like Bitches' Brew) are actually just straight jazz in my view.
3.) (This one will trigger Sup Forums) Speak like a Child era Herbie was much better than Head Hunters era Herbie.
4.) Cannonball Adderley was ludicrously underrated, and is every bit as good a player, arranger and composer as the best jazz saxophonists. Sonny Rollins, on the other hand, is a wonderful player but his compositions/arrangements leave me cold.
5.) There is absolutely nothing wrong with a jazz album that focuses on standards, often they have the highest standards of musicianship and production values. Art Blakey!!!!! Jazz Messengers!!!!! and Soultrane are two that spring to mind.
6.) (Not really controversial, but has to be said) I've seen Sup Forums shit on Kind of Blue, A Love Supreme and Black Saint and the Sinner Lady time and again for being normie-tier, purely because they are well-known, but if you're not a hipster it's very hard to deny that they really are three of the greatest albums of all time.
I haven't listened to Sketches of Spain yet and I've heard similar opinions on it. I think I'll enjoy it. For some more opinions - Sonny Sharrock is an underrated guitar player and "compared to" Derek Bailey his playing is structured and competent, Rahsaan Roland Kirk is extremely underrated and sadly almost forgotten.
Read how other people critique jazz. Leonard Feather, Nat Hentoff, Ted Panken are good critics and whether or not you agree with them, their writings can make you think. Or for more modern jazz releases JTG's reviews are good usually.
I agree with pretty much all of these except #2 I think you're just generalizing too much and #5 I agree there's nothing wrong with an album of standards, BUT I think if you're just reading the standards down and not doing some kind of new arrangement or twist to them, that kind of album will pretty much never be as good as an album of good originals or of good new arrangements of standards.
I would start by acknowledging that smooth jazz, jazz pop, nu jazz, acid jazz and any number of modern pop oriented jazz genres are a disgrace to jazz music.
kek
Guitar jazz is boring
Pleb as fuck
Can I get some reccs similar to pic related?
I liked the chill vibe.
>jazz record has a 12 bar blues jam
Just did a remix of some Bud Powell. I fucking love Bud Powell, totally underated pianist - always in the shadow of Monk
Post some of your stuff if you play jazz. I've heard there are some actual musicians in these threads.
I totally would if I was at me dads place. He has a piano to give me but I live 2 hours away. Desperately waiting on the beauty. I'm not that good though :(
Nothing wrong with that senpai.
There's a LOT of stretching artifacts. I must be honest, I hate this genre in general though.
Jazz is such a boring music, why do people glorify it so much? Is it about technicality ? Is it really that hard because it sounds like shit sorry
What do you normally listen to?
roughly , classic rock, prog rock/metal, ambient stuff ranging from some black metal ,electronic ambient to late 80s/early 90s trance music.
depending on the mood of course, but i highly value and enjoy long complex songs that somewhat resemble the ballads with powerful vocals and guitar solos.
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and few minutes ago I've listened to youtube.com
Given that you've most likely made a thead suggesting all prog sounds like Dream Theater, I'm not sure if I should take you seriously.
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there is a reason why niggers invented this and why white people made symphonies and operas
>there is a reason why niggers invented this and why white people made symphonies and operas
Like clockwork. Good thing I was saging.
you cant sage the truth
Tell that to your redpilled friends over at:
irrelevant
truth is truth
low IQ people enjoy chaotic, jungle-tier vibrations without any depth and emotion to it
thank god that white people took blues and raised it to another level