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Nonsensical joke.
Also Poland will never stand in the way of germany, you know it, germany knows it, poland knows it. We have a history to tell us its a bad idea
If anything, it would be the EU kicking out Poland.
Don't get me wrong, I'm completely with Poland on this one. But the EU as well as the most powerful member states are completely pro-immigration.
Btw I'm German. Fuck my government.
Terrorism is like murder. You can't stop it. You can reduce it, but you can never stop it. It is pointless and ridiculous to frame the argument as stopping it or preventing it or something we're currently doing is "causing" it.
If you completely shut your borders, you will still have terrorism. It isn't something you can do to totally prevent it.
And you might be thinking that it might reduce it, but when you think along those lines, you have to consider, what is the cost? What is the trade off?
The trade off is... well, trade. By adopting super strict immigration rules, you are hurting yourself economically and technologically.
As for whether you want to do that trade off is entirely up to you, though. Would you rather hurt yourself economically and technologically to buy a little more safety? Or endure the slight increased threat of terrorism and thrive economically and technologically? It's up to you.
Link me 2 terror attacks in Europe before 2005.
Poland can't do shit on its own....
But hey, i'm not telling you what to do. If you want to totally shut your borders, you can. It has a cost, and it wont totally prevent terrorism, but whether you want to make that deal is your prerogative.
Your post is so wrong, I can barely believe it.
>Terrorism is like murder. You can't stop it.
Yes, you cannot completely prevent terrorism/murder, but every case of prevented murder/terrorism is good.
>what is the cost? What is the trade off?
>The trade off is... well, trade
Fuck you, this debate is NOT about completely shutting down every and all immigration. But in what way does it hurt 'trade' or technological advancement to not take in refugees from whatever 3rd world country?
Refugees add to your economy and eventually your technological progress. Takes a while, i'll grant you. But can you think of any Nation of Immigrants that might be a major world power these days? Hmmm.... Nation of immigrants... nation of immigrants... damn it, it's right on the tip of my tongue.
You don't need to trade in people to be able to trade in goods and services. Closed borders doesn't mean trade ceases and it's only because the EU are cucks to Germany who want lots of cheap labour for their 95% export economy that free movement is even a thing.
If you move most of the murderers out of your country you tend to get less murders.
Closed borders means that there is more bureaucracy which slows down or prevents some commerce.
And yes, it would REDUCE terrorism. But you can't pretend that it would just reduce terrorism with no side effects.
My only issue is with people pretending there is no trade off. If you accept there is a trade off, and are willing to make that trade off, then i am perfectly okay with that position.
I disagree with it, but it's a valid argument.
Everything in this thread changes when you replace "refugees" with "muslims"
It doesnt even matter if they're terrorists or just simple muslims, you dont want either within your borders.
Well, i want both, but there is an important difference between the two.
If they're just an immigrant, then they are much less of a short term economic burden than a refugee. See, refugees don't come here because they're planning on moving here, they come here because they're running from somewhere else. So refugee tend to be much more poor and less able to establish a new life in whatever country they end up in than any standard immigrant.
terrorism seems to be caused by radicals from radical communities, the solution: try to educate and intergrate these communities.
if that fails burn them with napalm.
also deport or execute foriegn criminals rather than putting them in prison to be radicalised.
block immigration from muslim dominant countries, its not like they have any technology we need and they will still sell us oil as its the only thing of value they have.
kek
Closed borders doesn't slow anything down, see the rest of the world with no free movement as a condition to trade.
You act as if delivery trucks and containers will suddenly slow down to a crawl if achmed who reached the EU by boat with 80 other 20-40 year old men who is then free to travel to one of the decent countries gets chucked out on arrival.
The only commerce it slows down or prevents is the trade of people.
If there's a war in Germany and people from Germany start fleeing, they are all welcome in my country. Civilized people, disposing of their rubbish in the designated place for it, carrying a child or two, not shitting on the streets, understanding of the fact that they're refugees, and if my country's securing a place for them to live and providing food and everything necessary, may it not be direct cash, then those REFUGEES are welcome.
Now the other thing is the muslims that are running from the war, 5-8 dirty, sick bastards on their arms, shitting on the streets, rubbish all around them, throwing away food, blankets and thrashing the housing provided to them by the country they are living on the back of, while demanding straight cash to be handed to them so that they can "live" .
Muslims, you don't want them.
Europe's mindless "tolerance" will be it's own undoing.
Russia and USA should learn from that lesson and take action.
Did you even read what I said? It's not about shutting down all immigration.
Of course you want immigration, but you can still be selective. Especially when you are importing people into a high cost welfare state, that has a completely different culture.
That's the big difference here: The refugees are completely unskilled labour, they come from an entirely different culture which is imcompatible with our own and to top it off, they immediately receive welfare.
This is not at all comparable to the US. Back then, all immigrants came from more or less the same culture. And they had to build their existance from scratch. You couldn't work or contribute to society? Too bad, you would have starved.
build a wall, patrol the borders
Notice how far spread out in time those attacks are
Guy's join "Defend Europe" and "generation identity ^" they are putting up croud funded border controls and the whole thing is taking off pretty well. They allready got €49000 of the required €50000 for a patrol ship. The france department (Génération Identitaire) has over 110000 supporters allready.
Immigration isn't a problem. Immigration is great and it makes a nation stronger by combining the best of different thought groups..
Immigration from Muslim countries-or more specifically, the immigration of Muslims, is the problem. Let the civilized folk move about as they please.