OWING A DEBT TO ISLAMIC SCIENCE

I keep hearing people like Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about how we "owe a debt" to the medieval Islamic world for the science and math they did during their golden age.

What do they mean by this and how is this debt supposed to be repaid?

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He means we need to give them nuclear fusion, like all at once and a lot.

Sandniggers used to be progressive. They stayed the same though and did not advance.
We can thank them by purging the sandniggers.

>Sandniggers used to be progressive.

That is not true

it means a debt of gratitude you thick twat

Fpbpr

You can't repay knowledge unless you institute it in the form of federal loans to schools (with interest). So no, nobody owes shit skins anything for what they destroyed themselves.

"owe a debt" is a euphemism for 'Europe should accept more Syrian immigrants'.

Yeah, Christians never did anything science-related. The Earth is round? Hogwash. Mendelian genetics? Bullshit. Our accepted model of the galaxy? Totally a Saracen invention.

I wonder how many cultures around the world "owe a debt" to Western advancements and technologies.

>"None," they say, with a signature: Posted from my iPhone

"Islamic" science is bullshit, 90% of them were Iranians. Now arabs and various other muslim shitskins leach off the reputation of those Iranians. Arabs haven't accomplished shit.

Everything they did was done before by the ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans.
Plus, the Islamic nations stole it from India. India independently developed mathematics after coming in contact with Greek culture, during the conquest of Alexander.

Persians were responsible for most of the scientific inventions and discoveries in the medieval Islamic world, not Arabs nor Turks. Fuck, present-day Iran is leading in nanotechnology. Persians/Iranians are on a whole other level compared to other Muslim-majority ethnicities/nationalities.

actually they was, but the Hadithists (Sunnis particularly) started to take over by corrupting the text with their Muhammadan methods.
That's why Muslims went from being bringers of science, maths, medicine, music, art and such to beheading, rape, murder and oppressing women.

What the really mean is "non-white." That's really important to emphasize, even if they didn't do anything.

You now must allow Muslims to commit sex jihad on your friends and family.

fucking retarded nigger, they only blocked the trade routes after taking Constantinople.

When does it end

>be muslim
>take over the mediterranean through conquest
>stumble upon a bunch of science left over from the classical era greeks and romans
>hold on to it for a while until the Europeans get their shit together and take back the mediterranean and start to further develop their science again
>get BTFO by mongols coming from the east
>go through 500 years of stagnation and inbreeding in the ruins of your once great empire
>arrive to modern day
>WE WUZ SCHOLARS AN SHIT SUBHANALLAH

What actual advances did they make that ended up contributing to the rise of the West? Didn't they just preserve the works of Aristotle and Greeks and then transmit them to Europe?

It has already been repaid. It was repaid when we used their work to further advance science.

The Caliphate was spread throughout Europe Asia and the Middle East. So praising the Muslim world for their science is the same as praising the US for its rocket science when we basically piggybacked off of what the Germans knew.

I'm actually impressed an American is humbly giving credit for once to be honest.
Could only do it by bringing another culture down with you mind but its a start.

fucking christ this thread hurts

The Islamic Golden age was basically just the renaissance in the mideast.

We owe them literally nothing.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

Europe would of never left the dark ages if it wasn't for the crusades stealing and plundering things from the Muslims

Western philosophy is:
God wrote a MMOFPS, he wrote the whole program himself: physics engine and graphics routines and all, that generates 60 fps in full stereo for everyone all the time. Then God started his MMO and put in a crapload of mobs and npcs. We are the npcs.
While he can use admin commands, cheat commands and Game Master commands, most of the time the game runs itself.

Muslim philosophy: God generates each of those 60 stereo frames per seconds for at least every human from scratch. There is no physics engine, God makes it up as he goes along. There is no graphics drivers. God paints it all freehand all the time.

Science is discovering the laws that run reality.
In the first example its trying to figure out how the physics engine works.
In the second example, there ARE NO RULES THAT RUNS REALITY, its Gods whim moment to moment. Try doing Science then!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incoherence_of_the_Philosophers

Yeah but that also mean we owe to the greeks, romans, chinese, italian, sumerian, egyptian and indians.

ctrl+f invent
5 results none leading to an actual invention. hmm, maybe on:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world
nope, nothing of fucking use here either. thanks mohammed your followers were somewhat good at aping european science

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occasionalism#Islamic_theological_schools
>73391211
It was the earliest thing similar to today's quatuam mechanics

they preserved the Greek and Roman science when those societies tanked and later the european universities drew from islamic world the same knowledge they once had

>similar
yes, all of these great theoretical breakthroughs and inventions are simliar to european scientific inventions and actual postulated laws but we were the ones who actually documented and created the meaning and methods of these inventions and laws as we know and practice them today.

I'm an atheist and have little love for Islam or contemporary muslims (be it arab or turk or anyone else) Yet I think you are downplaying the importance of Muslim Scholars. It was not just translating Aristotle on arabic moonspeak nor it was just copy pasting Gree philosophy and science.

However I do agree that Muslims overexacurate the islams importance on them. We are not thankfully to greek paganism for aristotle and we should not be thankfull to islam just because certain scientists happened to be muslim.

Moreover the islamic doctrine which deemed positive sciences as "haram" won at the end of the day. Ghazali basically declared them to be apostletier. Mongols indeed did a terrible destruction but peacefull science loving muslims did not transformed into savages just after the sacking of bagdad.

The closing of Islamic Mind is a very sad story If there is a hell, I believe Al-Ghazali has a special place in it.

and just to draw your specific point to the forground:

>In 1993, Karen Harding's paper "Causality Then and Now: Al Ghazali and Quantum Theory" described several "remarkable" similarities between Ghazali's concept of occasionalism and the widely accepted Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. She stated: "In both cases, and contrary to common sense, objects are viewed as having no inherent properties and no independent existence. In order for an object to exist, it must be brought into being either by God (al Ghazili) or by an observer (the Copenhagen Interpretation)." She also stated:[5]

> In addition, the world is not entirely predictable. For al Ghazali, God has the ability to make anything happen whenever He chooses. In general, the world functions in a predictable manner, but a miraculous event can occur at any moment. All it takes for a miracle to occur is for God to not follow His ‘custom.’ The quantum world is very similar. Lead balls fall when released because the probability of their behaving in that way is very high. It is, however, very possible that the lead ball may ‘miraculously’ rise rather than fall when released. Although the probability of such an event is very small, such an event is, nonetheless, still possible.

there is a jihad on reality from jews and muslims and every other interest group on wikipedia. notably, there are such sections as islamic science and islamic invention but no european science and european invention pages. this particular brilliant conclusion by some swede cuck bitch in '93 doesn't make a damn bit of sense or even begin to draw any parrell between al'ghali and modern quantum theory.

Perfect analogy for people on Sup Forums and Sup Forums

i read that Muslims thought the crusades were punishment from god for being scientific and sometime after the crusades science declined in the Islamic world

BY BOMBING THE PEOPLE KEEPING THEM BACK FROM SCIENTIFIC PROGRESS

Al Ghazali didn't event anything and may have had a profound on one of europes most useless philosphers Aquinas. when muslims talk about the golden age its always as if that is the great theory and discovery that muslims ever had any technological prowess. on close examination it is a falsehood. the muslims greatest accomplishment in the history of mankind has been a conduit through which physical commerce could pass.

The Australian is correct. I know this sounds weird.
I hate the fucking meme "muslims/arabs wuz science". Look at them still currently living in the middle ages and repeat that again.

Neil deGrasse Tyson is literally stupid.

The reason Roman society "tanked" is from Islamic expansionism. Islam tore through the (at that point Christian) Middle East, raping, murdering, demolishing everything in their path. In 20 years they conquered a region larger than all of Persia, and even started streaming into Europe through Spain. They rampaged through the seas, demolishing trade and launching thousands of slave raids all throughout southern Europe. They burned down the Library of Alexandria and erased our accumulated knowledge of history.

They didn't preserve anything. They demolished everything in their path

The joke about inventions of islam.
youtube.com/watch?v=FCtjXpLyvxA
yes that's right, muslims will literally lie about everything to make themselves look good.

You fucking idiot.. they destroyed 90% of the ethnic knowledge they encountered in their jihad conquests per the concept of jahilyah and we're supposed to be grateful that they preserved 10%.. if they hadn't come along we might've had 100% of it..

youtube.com/watch?v=-t6xAseMITU

Also the reason europe had the dark ages, was directly because muslims destroyed and raided the shipping lanes cutting off transport and trade.. isolating europe.

The "inventions" of islam was the ones they pilfered from nations and societies which they conquered.. Exactly why when islam started to regress when they ran out of places they were able to conquer. Muslims aren't builders they don't have a clue how to do basic stuff without slaves or dhimmis to do stuff for them.

I'm so sick of those two faggots riding Carl Sagan's dead cock while pushing this sissy ass globalist agenda.

We don't. It's a way of denying European achievement and forcing Affirmative Action. Islam "rediscovered" things that had either never been lost or that Islam and Arabs had no hand in inventing. They tried this with China but over-reached (the 1400s hoax, which claimed that Europe knew absolutely nothing and stole it all from a one-off Chinese visit to Italy). These people know nothing of history. They do not understand that the Medieval break with Classical thought was a Western Eiropean phenomenon. They have no explanation for Islamic limitation and decline. They do not understand that the story they are pushing still makes Europe massively superior.

I can tell you that, at least here, Al-Andalus was always pretty independent from Middle East, and what really happened was that all those arabs started to learn all the knowledge that had been left by Visihgoths, and romans before them.

The rulers started to wand to MAAGA (Make Al-Andalus Great Again) and the result of mixing all that was an arab Renaissance. The thing is that most population of Al-Andalus, including scientists, philosophers and sheit, were not arab, they were from Spain or from Europe, so this wasn't like an actual muslim country.

Because they are both faggots who couldn't science their way out of a wet paper bag.

>Muh Nickelodeon science man
>Muh affirmative action nigger

WE WUZ MUSLIM PHILOSPHERS N SHIET

KEK

Almost your whole country WUZ too

Whenever people talk about "historical debts", they never consider these to be repayable in the first place. The debtor is indebted forever.

youtu.be/IM3xwIev84E?t=205
Vid related, Douglas Murray on colonialism.

>I keep hearing people like Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson...

Shia bull shit artist detected

There was no golden age of Islam
All of the "science" from Islam was taken from the societies Islam conquered and since they didn't create any of it, it dies out in 1 generation.

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This. Niggers invented next to nothing, they stole it from the Greeks.

I think they are talking about the amazing discovery in the Quran that salt water cannot mix with regular water, we would have never got to the moon without this knowledge.

Its a complete meme and most of the stuff was already known by ancient civilizations and they just took credit because the knowledge was lost.
Also even more of it was rediscovered separately by Europeans without Islamic assistance during the Renaissance.

>islamic science
nice bro
mexican intellectuals has just been out-memed

I bet the guy who invented the wheel was white. And the niggers around him used it as a necklace.

I completely agree with you. And at least the 'culture' he brought down was Muslim 'culture'.

>What do they mean by this and how is this debt supposed to be repaid?

They couldn't give a coherent answer to this if you asked them to their faces. It sure does sound progressive though!