Is there a red pill image that sums up the independence movement? It seems completely fucking retarded, both financially & culturally, so why does it have such a huge following? Do Scots love the idea of being 40% brown third worlders when Brussels gives them their quota of rapefugees? Or do most of them just think "fuck the english" and have no idea how little influence a country of a few million would have in the EU?
This ugly dyke said she's going to start moving towards the next referendum. I can't see how such contempt for 55% of your population can go without backlash by the press or people. Would no voters get a second referendum if it didn't go in their favour first time?
The Union is dead pal and all it is going to give us is jew/nigger controlled London values.
Can't count the number of times I heard London English whites in Edinburgh comment on the lack of diversity in Scotland as if it were a negative thing.
>I do hate the fucking English liberals and toffs that run Scotland and use it as their personal wank rag
Bastards like you support them out of muh union! muh queen billy!
btw proddie here as well before you start with yir fenian shite - you cunts have made me ashamed of my own background - grew up in Kilwinning before you fucking ask.
Fuck your jew run Union
Christopher Diaz
this desu poobreath >The Union is dead pal and all it is going to give us is jew/nigger controlled London values.
BUT I'd rather have the still warm corpse of the UK than the independent Peoples Republic of Scotland sucking EU cock
Benjamin Harris
>BUT I'd rather have the still warm corpse of the UK
Necrophilia is unhealthy m8
Jeremiah Nelson
yeah but choking on greasy EU smegma while getting gang raped by Abdullah and Co. aint healthy either
Jayden Green
Being a Scot I've thought about this a lot. I believe on of the major factors involved is that Scots historically have never had much to do with international affairs.
The only land border we have ever had is with England and we have always been only the edge of Europe, to out of reach even for the Romans.
Scotland has only been influenced in international affairs for only a little over 100 years now and this may be way Scots as a people act like short sighted, emotionally driven niggers when it comes to politics.
Adam Taylor
>yeah but choking on greasy EU smegma while getting gang raped by Abdullah and Co. aint healthy either
So the current state of UK then?
Ethan Wood
Yea this
Or you could have a run down Glasgow neighbourhood with freeeeedon imprinted on it
Brandon Rivera
which is why we have a better chance of leaving the EU as the UK than leaving as Scotland
Angel Gray
>Kilwinning
I feel sorry for you.
Cameron Miller
The "Scottish Nationals" are pro-immigration and pro-EU.
To think that this is the nation of the Empire's muscle.
Looking at them now...How fallen, how changed...
Chase Phillips
yeah you're right poobreath its a fucking joke a nationalist party full of socialists
John Hughes
Bog Tortter detected.
The fucking Irish potato refugees are responsible for the socialist SNP and English hating.
Liam Long
This is the man who would be in charge of immigration under an "independant" Scotland.
Nathaniel Cox
>Would no voters get a second referendum if it didn't go in their favour first time? If they formed a party and campaigned for the first Scottish election on that basis, yes.
A frequently raised Irony is that if Scottish Labour had done that, they'd be the government of a reintegrating Scotland right now.
Nathan Campbell
>Fuck the English, leave the Union, Fuck Westminster! >We love you EU/Brussels, please tell us how to best run our country.. no no we don't need democracy. >Join Shengen, Refugees and migrants welcome! Fuck those Tory cunts and their borders!
This is what Scottish "Nationalists" actually believe.
Eli Adams
The SNP wouldn't win elections if it took even the Labour parties "controls on immigration" stance from the last election.
Labour expresses fake concern about immigration - nobody takes them seriously, they're labour. SNP does so, it verifies the idea that they - and all nationalists - are terrible racist people and they really are just a Scottish BNP, no matter how fucking ridiculous that notion is.
The SNP were anti-common-market, they were attacked as Little Scotlanders who want Scotland to play no part in the world. They moved to 'independence in Europe' and now they're attacked as europhiles.
The SNP actually want to leave the UK, as such they take these positions because it makes political sense (many of their members do genuinely believe it, but from a simple "if you want to win the election..." perspective it makes sense.)
Especially when you remember immigration is only a notable issue in Scotland because it receives the same largely news as England. Scotland is around 95% white and until the last decade or so had a declining population.
Combine this with a political system at Westminster that as content to largely ignore Scotland (especially Blair's fault.) and the rise of the SNP and support for independence is remarkably easy to understand from a political perspective even when you don't support it.
Michael Martinez
lel
100% proddie Scottish, Orange arse
Been to more Gers matches as a wean than you'd had boiled cabbage. I know exactly what the staunch think as I used to be one of them
What was the chant again?
ah yes..
>I'd rather be a darkie than a Tim
My own people had become race traitor cucks
SNP lead the way!
Julian Kelly
This wasn't the SNP position set out in the white paper at all. >They have multiple English MSPs and MPs, but do hate the union and Westminster. [they're civic "nationalists" instead of ethnic - English born, love Scotland and want independence? fine by them.] >They're already in the EU underneath the UK. They are the EU's slave's slave. This isn't as illogical as it seems - even with the anti-democratic components of the EU Scotland would have far more self control outside the UK and in the EU than inside the UK and in the EU. >SNP had no intention of joining Shengen, Scotland's hardly an appealing place for migrants/refugees anyway, and again their preferred border policy was to join the UK-Ireland Common Travel Area.
That is what Scottish 'nationalists' [really more independence-ists] actually believe.
Hunter Phillips
At least you retards are losing ground. Hopefully you will be out of the EU and devolved and you can STFU about another indyref.
The Scotland you uneducated retarded think will happen after independence is too scary to be funny.
>Scotland's hardly an appealing place for migrants/refugees anyway
Oh please... a socialist welfare state with open borders that speaks English? It will be a magnet for shitskins.
Jonathan Mitchell
We Muslims own the UK, and we out breed you pink savages, for Allah wills it :^)
Justin Sanchez
It certainly looks that way. Muslims must find liberalism hilarious.
Sebastian Baker
>At least you retards are losing ground.
Increased their vote since the 2011 Holyrood elections
Noah Rodriguez
Having four 11yo brides will certainly boost your population.
>you will never be able to live north of 45 latitude without massive medical intervention, dusky boy
Aiden Wilson
>Would no voters get a second referendum if it didn't go in their favour first time? No would win again, they'd keep pressing for more referendums until they got the "right" result though.
Scotland is fucking dead, if you look at the new births, something like 30-40% are non-British. So in ~50 years that will be reflected in the general population, there's nothing we can do about it without deporting shits born here.
Oliver Rogers
I think OP meant if it was a yes vote in 2014 and No voters wanted a second indy vote, would they get it? and the answer is no.
Also >if you look at the new births, something like 30-40% are non-British.
The majority of new births in my area are female. So all you need to do is look on the Sup Forums and Sup Forums catalog to see what that means regarding whiteys future
Lucas Green
No longer a Majority in Holyrood as of this election... I wouldn't expect you to now that though as you clearly have no clue whats going on.
Socialist cunt.
Isaiah Butler
Fuck you fuckboi, I'll go north if I please.
Joseph Murphy
would you want to be absorbed by the Englandistan caliphate? This is their only chance to get away and build a wall.
Brody Baker
>vote yes >build wall >England becomes caliphate >Accept rapefugees by boat cause still chained to EU >Scotland becomes caliphate
Cooper Jenkins
Don't post in Scottish again until you understand what is going on and what the SNP stands for and why having them in control of immigration is the worst possible outcome imaginable.
Justin Myers
wew, leave UK, SNP doubles the Scottish population by importing arabs, SNP taxes middle class whites so high they can't afford children Scotland is non-Scottish, non-white within 4 generations.
Jeremiah Martinez
There's no point even arguing with these deluded anglos Scot bros. They're entire understanding of our history and politics is based on meme politics. I blame that smarmy bastard Farage desu, stirring up the dregs of Anglo society in collective ignorance of Scotland.
lel, you're in every thread about Scotland. For anyone who doesnt know, he's a loyalist shill using a Russian proxy. I just assumed he was Scottish, but he makes threads about/brings up Ireland constantly.
Justin Martin
>No longer a Majority in Holyrood as of this election... Entirely because an even more left wing party split their vote on the second ballot.
That isn't relevant in any significant way when it comes to Scottish politics currently. The SNP have more seats than all unionist parties combined, so unless the Greens wanted to commit suicide by voting alongside them to stop a second referendum [which won't happen for various other political reasons partially thanks to the Greens.] it would still pass with green abstention.
The SNP haven't fallen backwards at all - indeed a minority actually gives them various political advantages as the government, they're still powerful enough to do whatever the fuck they want but when they want a cop-out excuse to not do something they can go "oh, we're just a minority, we abandoned this plan to get the Conservatives to help us put through legislation..."
Justin Ross
>implying the SNP are going to import a shit tone of "refugees" if Scotland becomes independent
Mason Perry
*aren't
Noah Allen
>The SNP will govern an independent Scotland for more than one term. What do you think the single thing that keeps a broad church party of highland small-c conservative romanticists, Student activists, and Glaswegian red-clydeside types together is?
I'll patronize you by explaining that it is independence. Once that is achieved the entire thing comes tumbling down like it's the end of evangelion.
Austin Diaz
Where is you source for this you thick fucking child? Cant you cunts get it through your heads that the UK as a whole is in the EU, and that most EU migrants are white anyway? If we leave the UK immigration to Scotland is going to remain exactly as it is now. Literally nothing will change. In fact, we'll probably have less, cause its the big English cities that immigrants want to get to.
lel better than sucking the knob of the English land owning gentry m8
John Gutierrez
It's cute that you actually believe that the SNP wouldn't embed themselves inside an independent socialist Scotland.
Anthony Evans
The SNP literally said before the referendum that they wanted to up immigration because the population of Scotland as a whole is ageing
Cameron Reyes
If you can't form your own central bank you're not independent. You're either being run by Westminster (bank of England) or Brussels (European central bank)
Austin Foster
The SNP do not control immigration. Standing in the house of commons and virtue signalling means nothing.
Because the right of the party seriously want socialism. Their small c-conservativism and general centrist triangulation doesn't stem from the right of the party at all. No, it's just a commie trick.
Michael Wood
A generic statement of goodwill. Cameron has issued something simmilar. Sturgeon would never pull a Merkel. SNP know that kind of politics isnt popular outside of the Glasgow lefties.
As the poster above me said, Independence is a broad Church.
Christian Sanchez
>The SNP do not control immigration. But they would in a independent Scotland.
Henry Lopez
>he thinks that despite everything the SNP says and does, it's secretly right wing
Blake Hernandez
>Sturgeon would never pull a Merkel
but she is demanding more pooskins be brought in.
John King
A call for David Cameron to take action would be meaningless from an independent Scotland.
If Scotland was independent right now, the SNP would say a lot about how they were sending an entire million pounds to help the poor refugees while promising to take some comically low number and playing it up like it was huge.
Charles Watson
I was a candidate for the Conservatives in the Scottish election last week and dropped red pills all over the place. Independence would have been, and still would be, economic oblivion. 'Muh Oil' was only 6% of SNP projections. Imagine you were expecting a £1000 paycheck and you got £60. How fucked are you?
The SNP is the most red pilled party in the UK. The know if they say one non system approved thing, the jew will be on them like a ton of bagels
>Only large jew area in Scotland changed its MSP from Labour to Tory.
The jews fucking hate the SNP - how red pilled is that?
Lincoln Rogers
Not from Europe, which is were most of our immigration comes from. As I said, the international migrants aren't travelling across the world to settle in the fucking highlands. They're going to the big English cities.
Christopher Walker
You're right, they're secretly a right wing party despite everything they've ever said or done.
Jonathan Gomez
The whole argument falls to pieces when you realise that Independent Scotland would, at this moment, be insolvent to the tune of £15Bn per year. We would be worse than Greece, and begging the EU for entry at the height of the migrant crisis. You can't enact progressive policies in a national depression.
>Scotland's population being replaced is okay as long as they're from the EU, soon to include Turkey
Joshua Mitchell
bullshit
Scotland has all it needs without oil to prosper - as long as we are not being bled dry by England of course.
Adam Russell
The SNP have consistently called for a marked increase in non-EU migrants from war torn areas.
Cameron Bennett
It isn't "secretly right wing." It has a substantial red-clydeside element to it. Sturgeon, even, is to the left. The SNP as a whole is a broad church party of right-wing, centrist, and left-wingers. That's why it's so politically manoeuvrable and successful. It's only unified position is to be the national party of Scotland and to push for independence. That's why it can be the party of holding down council tax (usually disguised in left-wing rhetoric) while attacking Tony Blair for ignoring inequality. That's why the white paper contained a corporation tax cut instead of a lefty promise to up taxes. Because left and right meet in the middle with the single agreement that they need to remain electable and obtain independence, and that once independence comes they can make the case for a Celtic Tiger or a the Nordic model as they see fit.
In the event of independence, that single coherent unifying factor no longer exists and the party will split.
Ryder Reyes
The SNP is the biggest party to lack any kind of "Friends of Israel" group. (Which is actually pseudo-left wing, given how lefties usually hate Israel in the UK, but that poster was going on about the Jews.)
Zachary Gonzalez
>get educated >better widen the goalposts
Yeah no, I didnt say it was okay. You said the SNP would have control of immigration in an independent Scotland. Im saying you're wrong. The EU does.
You should know better than me. Isnt that what Englands always whining about?
Juan Reyes
If Scotland had gained Independence they would have a £15Bn p.a budget deficit (worse than Greece, Portugal, etc.) which would require growth at over 9% to prevent insolvency. Growth is currently less than 3% and behind the UK average.
Samuel Cox
>lack of diversity in Scotland
You exactly like the SNP leadership were crying about just a few years ago?
SNP will be the death of Scotland and I'll laugh my ass off as all you retards start wondering where everthign went wrong and realise you can no longer blame the English.
John Baker
>It's only unified position is to be the national party of Scotland and to push for independence
Exactly
and what is the problem with that?
Camden Perry
Show me evidence of there being any right wing influence in the SNP. What you're doing is wishful thinking.
>Scotland has all it needs without oil to prosper >we have nothing
Kayden Bailey
There's already a wall between England and Scotland
Charles Morales
Yeah, he's delusional. Scotland hasn't returned any money to Westminster in the last two budgets (bar the £354m that they were given and were too incompetent to spend/were keeping* in case 'YES' won)
*By 'keeping' I mean not spending on Scottish services. (£220m of that was for the NHS)
Jeremiah Green
>Show me evidence of there being any right wing influence in the SNP.
You realise what is right wing varies across each country, right? In America it's evangelical values, in Saudi Arabia it's wahabbism. In England it's traditional Toryism. Toryism was never popular in Scotland. It was always a whig/liberal stronghold
Carson Rivera
>You said the SNP would have control of immigration in an independent Scotland The only thing the EU does is prevent the SNP from restricting immigration, it does nothing to stop encouraging it, subsidising it and extending it to the whole of Africa.
Lincoln Lee
migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/10.33 >The objective is to increase Scotland’s working age population in order to promote economic growth. It commits the Scottish government to matching “average European (EU15) population growth over the period from 2007 – 2017” and states that an independent Scotland would use immigration as one of the major levers to increase the country’s population.[4] Work
Lucas Fisher
>we have nothing
Can feed our own population from our own land and seas
Can provide 100% of our energy needs
World class research and University facilities
>uwotm8?
Aaron Jones
Independence is over now anyway. The SNP don't have a clear manifesto pledge, or the majority to enforce it even if they did.
Benjamin Hughes
Give me ANY evidence that there is even a slight concern about socialism within the SNP.
>Toryism was never popular in Scotland The world didn't start in 1970. The first Tory prime minister was Scottish, Scotland was the home of Toryism.
Alexander Perez
>you can no longer blame the English.
I blame your cancerous ruling class pal as you should too.
Justin Cooper
>Show me evidence of there being any right wing influence in the SNP. Council tax freeze. Persistent universalism instead of targeting everything on the poor. Marked reluctance to up taxes. (Watch this space, they may even use the Tories as an excuse to ditch the maintaining-the-45p-rate thing, since that was just an electoral maneuver to avoid looking too right wing compared to Labour.) Alex Salmond's "Scottish people didn't mind the economic side of Thatcher" The lingering nickname of "Tartan Tories" [mostly down to dumbfuck Labourites who think everyone but them is literally Hitler, but there's a kernel of truth in their highland vote-base.] Their general willingness to make concessions to the Scottish Conservatives from 2007-2011, especially when they called the Greens' bluff to do so.
I could go on.
The comparison to Blairism outright is generally a vacuous attack on the SNP, but that's roughly where it falls. Scotland returning money to Westminster in it's budgets only happened under absolutely retarded Labour governments (who built PFI schools that proceeded to fall down instead of spending the money.)
They weren't "saving money in-case yes won" either, they have to run a surplus by law and overestimated how much would be spent, leaving them with an underspend. It's laughable how much capital the press tried to make out of that.
Ethan Flores
>Is there a red pill image that sums up the independence movement? more relevant before the referendum when Salmond was still around, but w/e, just substitute Salmond for SNP.
Hudson Nelson
>or the majority to enforce it even if they did. Yes they do, unless you believe the Greens would commit political suicide by voting against it when most of their own vote-base is 'yes' voters.
(I don't believe there'll be a referendum until after 2021, if ever, but in numerical terms it's entirely possible.)
Nathan Robinson
>Can feed our own population from our own land and seas You're insane and have no idea how western capitalism works. We are a consumer nation with a retail culture. Our farm produce is heavily subsidised. >Can provide 100% of our energy needs No we can't. Our reliance on the National grid and interconnective energy and communication lines is beyond your comprehension. >World class research and University facilities Academic research in this country is funded by external bodies. Even 'Scottish' research houses are subsidiaries of wider institutions (see Leverhume, SGSAH, Dundee's massive Life Sciences investment projects, etc.) Also, due to a lack of graduate contribution we are currently pimping out our places to as many English/non-EU students as we can.
Jackson Brooks
>concern about socialism within the SNP. Why would there be? What socialist party do they have to fear? Labour are dead. The Conservatives and Lib-Dems aren't socialist.
The Greens? Are there really enough student activists to pose a threat to the SNP?
Carter Phillips
Lol typical scot, "muh northern sea oil" it's owned by Chinise, Russians and Americans. Also, your oil fields are near depletion so have fun with that you inbred gingers.
Alexander Cooper
Most of the pro-independence people I know are also wanting to leave the EU. I think it's more an SNP thing than anything else.
Christian Cook
>Can feed our own population from our own land and seas No we can't, we haven't been able to since before even the corn laws.
>Can provide 100% of our energy needs No we can't, we can barely afford the renewables we currently have (which need replaced every 5-15 years)
>World class research and University facilities Which are slipping in standards with fewer and fewer Scottish staff in them as each year passes.
>Council tax freeze Your evidence is that they didn't increase already high taxes. g1
Oliver Ramirez
>Also, due to a lack of graduate contribution we are currently pimping out our places to as many English/non-EU students as we can
>mfw Alex Salmond trying to claim that English students would still have to pay full fees to Scottish unis if Scotland became independent
Leo Gomez
The Scottish simply seek to be dominated.
Before England they had France. Now that they have had the UK for a while, now that the rest of the UK wants to leave the EU they see it as an ideal chance to be ruled by someone else.
Same mentality to the eastern europeans.
>LOL WE LEFT THE USSR/YUGOSLAVIA LETS CELEBRATE >Hey lets join that new political, faceless union in which we will have no power
Stupid, backward people need controlling.
Ian Richardson
all the people i know who are pro independence dont know why they are
its just >muh yes >muh snp
Oliver Harris
So you're saying there is right wing influence yet you can't point to anything other than not increasing already high taxes. Okay.
The SNP are a far left party regardless of how often you claim they secretly aren't.
Nolan Barnes
Same here the pro indys were >muh SNP >muh braveheart >muh CFC >muh da says yes
That being said a lot of no voters were >muh RFC >muh WATP >muh da says no
Xavier Rogers
They prevented councils who wanted to increase taxes from doing so.
Give me some examples of their far-leftism then, buddy.
Ryder Morris
Fuck Wastemonster and English scum. The SNP have done far more for Scotland than any other party. We refuse to capitulate to London and their bullshit.
Independence forever.
Asher Hughes
Alot of Yes voters seemed to be
>muh hopeful politics
Hopeful politics is all good and well, but it still needs to be grounded in some form of economic reality
Levi Walker
Why so many Russians in this thread?
Caleb Gomez
>tfw Scotland voted against independence
Jason Foster
Remember when the "democratic socialist" Labour party warned the far-left SNP would jack up taxes if they won in 2007?
Yeah, that they actually did it and lost the 2011 election, falling to third place, was shocking. I thought it was just Blairite fearmongering. They really were socialists.
Ayden Peterson
Wants to get rid of nuclear weapons. Against nuclear power, wants wind farms. Wants 1/5 university students to be chosen because they're poor rather than because of skill. Wants free tuition and supports lowering test standards. Wants increased public spending. Wants more government regulation. Banned air guns.
I could go on, these are things they've both done and want more of.
David Ramirez
I'd happily vote independence if the Scottish people were more right wing instead of being a bunch of socialists.
Colton Reyes
same here
Josiah Fisher
Shite, just shite
First example - Scotland is a net exporter of energy to England
Second example - All our fossil fuel requirements met from the North Sea
Third example - all basic food stuffs can be produced in Scotland for our population - impossible for the vastly overpopulated England.
Go fuck off you clown
Aiden Bell
This
Logan Turner
>Third example - all basic food stuffs can be produced in Scotland for our population This hasn't been true for over 100 years. We wouldn't even be allowed to if we were in the EU.
Logan Powell
>Wants to get rid of nuclear weapons. Primarily virtue signalling. They know the UK is going to maintain them anyway, and most Scots are NIMBY when it comes to nukes. [i.e. pro overall but not in Scotland.], would you want another countries nuclear weapons on your soil? >Against nuclear power, wants wind farms. This is more of a token green/nuclear fearmongering position than a left/right issue. This comes down to NIBMY triangulation instead of economic policy. (Remember, also, that Scotland is windy as fuck and that even David Cameron pretended to love renewables before he was elected.) >Wants 1/5 university students to be chosen because they're poor rather than because of skill. And they've taken policy steps towards this? Partially granted >Wants free tuition and supports lowering test standards. Free tuition is consistently derided as a middle class subsidy. The 'left' want targeted aid only at poor students. >Wants increased public spending. In what manner? They're operating on a mostly fixed budget via the block grant and aren't willing to seriously up taxes when they get powers to do so. >Wants more government regulation. A pretty meaningless canard. So does Cameron. >Banned air guns. Again, this isn't a left/right issue. It comes closer to authoritarian versus Libertarian.
Scottish people aren't socialists, they're like Blairites: They want to wear the red flag while holding down taxes and fiddling with the edges to feel good about themselves.