What does the govt do better than the private sector?

What does the govt do better than the private sector?

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Eugenics.

Services that opperate better, or can only really operate, on an area basis rather than an individual basis. This includes military security, law enforcement, and the fire department.

Steal.
What you and I would go to jail for, they call Tuesday.

Run the country.

A nation-state is not a business, doesn't run like a business and will be infinitely fucked if attempted to be run like a business. See the USA, 2001-2009 under W.

Prisons

For-profit private prisons such as CCA are inherently evil because they constantly lobby Congress for ever-stiffer penalties for minor crimes. All on your tax dollar. And now they're beginning to charge inmates for their stays, because the government teet still isn't enough to feed the monster.

>According to the National Fire Protection Association, 69 percent of firefighters in the United States are volunteers.[9] The National Volunteer Fire Council represents the fire and emergency services on a national level, providing advocacy, information, resources, and programs to support volunteer first responders. The NVFC includes 49 state-based firefighter associations such as the Firemen's Association of the State of New York (FASNY), which provides information, education and training for the volunteer fire and emergency medical services throughout New York State.

subjugate people

Unprofitable but necessary endeavours, such as roads.

We've had private fire departments in the past. They didn't work out well.

It is a mistake to believe that private prisons are not run by the government. When the entirety of their business is funded by the government, they become another branch similar to the EPA or the FDA.

In order to have truly private prisons it would require an overhaul or even privatization of the justice system -- prison would be labor camps where the inmates pay for their own incarceration if they can't be trusted to pay off their debt to the victims out in society.

Do you support me getting shot?

>What does the govt do better than the private sector?

Everything

Haven't run across this argument before. Do you have anything else on it?

Not memeing, it's main purpose is to curtail the extremes of the free market

mail a letter for $.50

Lie.

I bet you get your knowledge of history from John Green

But we're moving in that direction. 50 years ago there were no corporate-owned prisons. Now there are many. 10 years ago prisons were not charged for their stay, now we are beginning to implement these charges.

We're 50 years from having gulags.

>Volunteer fire departments are providing the majority of Austria's and Germany's civil protection services, alongside other volunteer organizations like Technisches Hilfswerk, voluntary ambulance services and emergency medical or rescue services like German Red Cross or Johanniter-Unfall-Hilfe. In most rural fire departments, the staff consists only of volunteers. The members of these departments are usually on-call 24/7 and working in other professions.

Kill people. This is not limited to non-citizens living abroad.

>>According to the National Fire Protection Association, 69 percent of firefighters in the United States are volunteers.[9]

>B-but it, it didn't work well in the past!

Pathetic. Even if your assertion that it "didn't work" was correct, it has no bearing on today when most firefighters are still privately employed.

*prisoners charged

build roads

Enforcement. Pick your flavor.

Have a military.

unions/protection
social security
freedom
winning WW2
internet
clean air and water

The closest case we have to a government also being a business is the Dutch East India trading company, which invented Capitalism

Getting people killed.

By not working well, I mean they burned houses, looted houses, acted as extortion agents, and would let entire city blocks burn down just so a rival station didn't get the contract. You're a fucking idiot.

Do you have any knowledge of the structure of those volunteer fire departments? They're municipally owned, trained, supplied. The fact that the bulk of their workers are volunteer in nature doesn't remove the fact they are public programs. Again, you're a fucking idiot n

>What does the govt do better than the private sector?
But it doesn't.

They both fail because of people.

I was unde the impression OP ment buisinesses you pay money to.

Essentially, some things must operate on an area basis. If the police catch a thief, the whole neighborhood benefits. Military forces can't only defend the lives and property of individuals who choose to pay them, if they repel an invading force, everyone is defended. If they were to operate as a private buisiness they would have to control land and refuse to allow in anyone who refuses to pay them, or take some other form of punitive action. Not only does this significantly hamper competition, one of the foundations of the free market, it also essentially makes them a government anyway. In fact, this is likely how many early governments came about.

Private sector is best for things where the profit motive benefits the consumer IR Food, clothing ect. good quality = more people buy.

Public sector is best for basic infastructure, IE railways, healthcare, gas and electric. Also the closer a public company is to mimicing a market structure the better, like the BBC.

>Johanniter-Unfall-Hilfe e.V. (JUH; German for "St. John Ambulance"), commonly referred to as Die Johanniter, is a voluntary humanitarian organisation affiliated with the Brandenburg Bailiwick of the Order of St John, the German Protestant descendant of the Knights Hospitaller. The organisation was founded in 1952 in Hanover under the leadership of Rudolf Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff. One of the main reasons for its creation was the rise in injuries and deaths from road traffic accidents (hence the word "accident" in its name). JUH participates in international aid efforts together with its sister organisations in other countries as part of the Johanniter International partnership; it also works with the German Malteser Hilfsdienst, affiliated to the Catholic Sovereign Military Order of Malta. As of 2008 the organisation had 28,300 active volunteers and youth members and around 1,500,000 registered members.[1]

>But we're moving in that direction.

We are moving in the exact opposite direction. Only historically has the justice system been solely about protecting property rights and providing restitution to the victim.

Whether the government runs the prisons directly or they are run by "private" entities is irrelevant if increasingly more people are being locked up for nonviolent crimes with the intention shifting towards rehabilitation or paying one's "debt to society" instead of paying one's debt to the victim.

>not the British east india company

>A nation-state is not a business,

ours are

It was shit and inefficient. Too many Jews in the English Aristocracy again

Healthcare, and freeway systems. Although I'm not 100% on the freeways.

what about Prussia?

Volunteers for a government run service

Necessities such as transportation.
The government becomes pretty ineffective when it comes to supplying "wants" and not "needs".

I get the argument, I just hadn't heard it explained as area coverage rather than individual coverage. It's an interesting angle. I was wondering if you had any resources I could expand my knowledge on.

Because heavy regulation and well thought out bureaucracy.
Also equal opportunity
Diversity
And a president that is genetically african

>law enforcement
youtu.be/pKGzw8GROf0

Unfortunately not. Even in the shittiest place the private sector really shines. It's why people get body guards for their homes and family. It'd be interesting to see what the US would be like with competition between private agencies.

generally offering alternative socialized services to force private industry into fair pricing and competitive service quality

United States Parcel Service.

Even when Bush hamstringed them into funding pensions 30 years in advance to bankrupt them, they still do a better fucking job than Fedex or UPS.

> Physically murder people

> Coordinate disaster relief efforts (except under Faggot Bush)

> Maintain, build, regulate infrastructure (roads, airports, etc)

> Regulate industry (FDA, AMA, etc.)

> Deliver mail (the US Post Office is awesome)

> Uphold law and order

Those are off the top of my head. I'm a huge social libertarian but I do recognize government is necessary in many areas of life.

We've tried private roads. They don't work well. The government doesn't do healthcare well at all. We have five different federal, socialized, healthcare systems and thousands of state and local programs in the US. They all suck dick. There is no model for success in public healthcare.

Private security is not law enforcement, they don't go out and catch criminals.

anything that cant be competed on i.e railways, prisons, utilities, infrastructure

It maintains the circumstances that allow the private sector to operate.

Private companies have no reason to invest in the security of anything but themselves, and they sure as hell wouldn't spend money to keep the general population alive, gradually depriving themselves of both labor and consumers as ordinary people murder each other and starve to death.

>Deliver mail (the US Post Office is awesome
The post service has to fund itself, it's basically a government owned buisiness.

>government does better than the private sector
A monarchy is a private enterprise you stupid goy.

Pinkertons were private law enforcement. That's actually how Plessey of P v Ferguson was arrested. The rail car company hired a Pinkerton to insure he was arrested on the proper charge.

>bodyguards = law enforcement
Shame on you for being stupid. Stop being stupid this instant.

Corruption

Providing for the common defense, promoting the general welfare and securing the blessings of liberty for ourselves and prosperity.

Shitpost. All the shills on here give even Australian freelancers a run for their money.

I think, making laws.

>United States Parcel Service.
>Even when Bush hamstringed them into funding pensions 30 years in advance to bankrupt them, they still do a better fucking job than Fedex or UPS.

us postal service, and where the fuck do you live? here in chapel hill, nc, the usps is laughably incompetent, while fed ex and ups are pretty much reliable as anyone.

Bullshit. Victorian-style Social Darwinism is by far more effective than state-planned forcible eugenics. The economy is like an ecosystem. Don't feed the "wildlife" and they will sort into a natural order by productivity, and the useless ones will go extinct.

National defense.
National memory.

And there were significant issues with the Pinkertons.

See there's your problem, the postal service is really good unless you live in the south considering the US government hates the south.

I didn't get the memo on the AMA being a govt entity.

It might as well be, since every state legislature and the federal government suck it off at every chance.

>giving an example of protective services beside law enforcement used in the US
>stupid
Whatever you say friend.

I agree. I was just pointing out all these services lolbertatians think the private sector can handle better than the public sector has been tried and had disastrous effects. Socialists would do well to learn the converse. We have a good mix now, it comes down to details on regulations.

Kek give an actual example then of a private entity that works exactly like a government ran police agency.

I agree. I think the issue is people forgetting what free market principles were founded on. If competition is absent, there is an enormous issue.

But that's not what I'm talking about exactly. I'm talking about the government essentially contracting police work to various agencies I presume would pop up in a competitive market. They'd probably take after the security in that South Africa video

The US govt or Democracy or govts in general?

If the first 2 than all they do better is wasting fucking time

However a real strong government can potentially do everything better than the private sector (think 1933-38 Germany before hitler went insane)

The private sector in the long run is globalist and unpatriotic. What is needed is a strong nationalistic government not shackled by long debates BS special snowflake consideration of every 0.000001% minority's needs and lobbyists supreme courts who oppose anything because they can

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Not everyone is a strict Ancap.

My view is that the state's role is the regulation of violence, not the regulation of voluntary exchange.

There is no issue unless the use of force is involved (such as with the Pinkertons)

Consider the old west. Dodge City, for example, was a war between two private law enforcement entities. The Lincoln County Wars with Billy the Kid were similar.

>democracy
No not democracy, Athenian or Westminster or National Socialism or even the Roman Republic

What you need is strong people with strong culture.

The preservation of Confuscianism (Not the values but the fact it has preserved for so long so ingrained in Chinese social culture) is what needs to be adapted.

>(think 1933-38 Germany before hitler went insane)

here, I'll help derail this thread with you. Hitler was focused on war from the very first day he had power, and wrote about his plans way back in 1923 in mein kampfh. if he had continued winning, he was going after north america next. i'm sure he would have turned on japan eventually.

in other words, he came out of the gate insane.

Get the mail to my mailbox.

And it technically will always because by definition nothing else is mail and cannot be put in mailboxes.

Everything

>My view is that the state's role is the regulation of violence, not the regulation of voluntary exchange.

And when California's factories killed New England forests?

This. Natural monopolies should be nationalised.

Support for re-nationalising the railways, postal service and utilities is supported by the majority of people regardless of party ideology in the UK. Peter Hitchens (a staunch traditional conservative) supports bringing back British Rail for a good reason.

>Someone advocating for a free market wanting the most violent entity possible in charge of regulating violence.

Do you even non-aggression bro?

In The States, local government pays private contractors to build roads

>the postal service is really good unless you live in the south considering the US government hates the south.

Northern post office only good at distributing welfare checks to PO boxes, they fuck up everything else

Well no, not the US government. Taiwan though. And really even most of Europe is slightly better than the US.

Moon landings.

To a Federal standard I presume?

Even then there is nothing in the context of government preventing the government using the most efficient means available to deliver services.

>There is no issue unless the use of force is involved (such as with the Pinkertons)
Competition is what makes an this style of economics work. So long as buisinesses compete, they must provide the best services or products that they can.

Oppression. Making white guilt, creating division and enabling dindus.

Not the US in general. We can do socialism no better than the Middle East can do democracy. It's just not a part of who we are, culturally or genetically.

And Europe isn't doing socialized health care very well either. They all have a public/private system in place. Healthcare services the individual. It may be in the government's best interest to have a healthy population, but healthcare isn't something which can be served by a common denominator like roads.

True, but then what about Toll roads in which you must pay to drive on? Would that make them private roads?

I don't know what you're referring to, specifically. Environmental preservation? The world belongs to humanity. I'm not concerned with the preservation of animal species.

I am not so naive to think that non-aggression dogma can be instilled into everyone in this world, or even a majority of people. Our concept of property rights are not universal and a coercive state is necessary to enforce our concept of it.

Ostensibly those tolls are supposed to pay for the corridor expansion due to higher traffic demands. In reality the funds get sent elsewhere.

Fighting world wars
Funding crazy science projects - internet, nukes, haldron colliders, computers
Colonising whole continents
Patron of the Arts - michalangelo, Beethoven
Procurer and Preserver of knowledge - muh Royal societies, Letter of Patents
Mother fucking law and order - the assize, Justinian's code, Napoleon's Code, Common Law, Civil Law, Equity etc etc

>Egypt

Yes, me and stefan want you dead

>I don't know what you're referring to, specifically. Environmental preservation? The world belongs to humanity. I'm not concerned with the preservation of animal species
There are perfectly pragmatic views to support environmental preservation. Our environments work, and fucking with them often cause problems for us, like when people in the US killed most of the wolves. The deer population exploded and overfed, which fucked up rivers and forests. Thse things have far reaching effects. The world is alright right now, we should keep it that way, at least unil we get better at predicting the effects of change.

>I am not so naive to think that non-aggression dogma can be instilled into everyone in this world, or even a majority of people. Our concept of property rights are not universal and a coercive state is necessary to enforce our concept of it.

You could not be more of a cuck if you intended to.

The toll is the government's "carrot" for private investment. Alternatively its a bs excuse to charge for something already paid for (via council rates)

checks and balances to prevent corruption.