We all know that transgenderism is a mental disorder, but why does this make it wrong?

We all know that transgenderism is a mental disorder, but why does this make it wrong?

Because mental disorders are quite literally degenerate

Why are they degenerate and what is degenerating?

The disorder itself isn't what's wrong. It's the way it's being handled. Instead of trying to find some kind of real treatment for it, it's being treated as something completely normal. Instead of curing it, we're being told to accept and embrace it.

glorifying a mental disorder is degenerate

Can you explain what exactly is degenerating?

Why should that bother me? If I am not directly being forced to become a women, then whats the issue?

>what is degenerating?

degenerate is a word Sup Forums uses when they can't think of anything better to say.

synonym: "problematic"

promoting the devolution of humans and preventing the creation of the ubermensch

see:
beat me to it

The mind, body, and gender roles. Maybe you don't understand what happens with this shit, but as a tranny myself, I do.
Firstly, the mind. The transgender disorder brings a whole slew of other bullshit with it. Mainly, severe depression and suicidal thoughts. HRT's effects on hormone levels send you through all sorts of crazy emotional issues too. And SRS is essentially a death sentence with the suicide rates.

HRT and SRS also degenerate the body. HRT seems innocuous to anyone that doesn't actually look into it. Despite all the old crossdressing faggots trying to shove 13-year-olds onto it, it can actually be extremely dangerous. Depending on the type of medicine, it can cause kidney failure, liver failure, and hyperkalemia among other things.

Anyone on Sup Forums can tell you the importance of gender roles in society. Our civilization is built around it. Look around you and see how things are falling apart. It's because now failures of men can just go 'Oh, I've decided I'm trans now' to excuse themselves from their failures. It's the breakdown of the family, and society.

Because sick people like me need an actual cure. Not enabling. Transitioning barely works, and it's being done horribly wrong. There needs to be a push for real treatment so nobody else has to deal with the shit I've had to go through.

nothing's wrong with it, enjoy your ruined body and your 32 years life expectancy

I'm well aware of the lingo here, just looking for someone to back themselves up

Is there a reason we should create an ubermensch?

how fucked your chromosomes are?

That was so euphoric, I can imagine your dick is wearing a fedora.

Why should we even be trying to preserve civilization?

>why should we fix and maintain what we created when we can just let it go to shit like Africa?
Gee, I dunno man. You have a good point there. Maybe you can move to Africa and report back with how fucking great it is.

Maybe it doesn't affect you directly, but if someone has the disorder, and instead of treating it they are pumped with hormones and have their genitals chopped off, it doesn't really help them. They realize that even if they now look and seem more like the other, they can never truly become a woman or a man. Society pats themself on the back but the people who are mentally ill aren't helped and they eventually kill themselves. Somebody with a mentally ill friend and family or are mentally ill themselves are only hurt by accepting this as normal.

Do the Africans not have a civilization of their own?

Assuming you're actually a tranny.

I understand that you need to provide information about the dangers of fucking with the hormonal feedback systems. But given that appropriate information is given, I don't see why transitioning should be illegal. I don't see how it affects me what some other people choose to do. And I certainly don't see how some here on this board so easily can declare what causes gender dysphoria. Given what we know of other sexual disorders such as homosexuality, I don't see why there couldn't be a genetic or prenatal cause for gender dysphoria, rather than strictly psychological/cultural causes.
In my opinion, the most important thing is to reduce the suffering of those with gender dysphoria. Are we sure that transitioning is not the best choice? What happens to those who choose not to?

having an ubermensch (once the humans are gone) means eternal peace and prosperity, if this isn't your goal for society I don't know what is.

Why should I care about them either way?

Transitioning shouldn't be illegal, you're right. Anyone should be allowed to do whatever they want to themselves. But transitioning should not be the accepted form of treatment for the disorder.
As far as I know, there's no real certainty where it comes from. But it does come from somewhere and finding out where is the first step to a proper treatment that doesn't involve enabling the illness.

Transitioning is the best choice right now, and that's why I went through with it. But if I had another option, an option to be normal, I would have taken it.

But none of that can be done when transgenderism and transitioning is not only accepted, but encouraged. And people like me are screeched at as evil bigots.

Nice proxy Australia.

Not a good one. That's why they freely choose to migrate to better ones :D
In all honesty you sound like a faggot, but it's ok most of us were there once. You'll come to swallow your red pills like a champ.

Only a tiny portion of trannies today are actually mentally ill. It's like homosexuality. A disorder caused by either genes or the environment or both. Something is legit wrong with their brains.

Most trannies today are just attention seekers. Like goths and other people who try to be weird on purpose. They are not actually suffering from any brain disorder. Our society rewards trannies with praise and attention so boring normies pretend to be trans. Being a victim is the highest form of heroism today. Literally go from evil heterosexual white make to super oppressed tranny by throwing on some make up and a dress.

The red pill is not the final step and I've transcended the red pill

>b8
Then leave this outlandish mortal toil at once.

Because if something happens to you, as a consummer you want the medical sector to treat you properly.

If they de cide to treat something that is abnormal normal, then what does it tell you about your medical specialist? Is he doing the right thing for you or is he treating you following some ideology?

because the mentally ill belong in the looney bin, not on the congress floor petitioning to fuck with people's rights

Depends on your definition of civilization. In the way we use it here, no. It seems to me that a fundamental part of civilization is the idea that together, we can make the world a better place, by industry, science, laws. The africans have never reached such a conception of reality, instead either hanging on to traditionalism, where things are worshipped merely for being old, or simple egoism.

The sane people are too busy working.

What possible reason could legitimize imprisoning the mentally ill?

Maybe I have BIID and want to be blind or in a wheelchair. Why shouldn't I be encouraged to do it?

Why don't I get special privileges? Why don't I get rights movements?

Where's my Gofundme?

I mean why the fuck not? Why should you? But also why not?

Okay. Look at your post. You see the disorder after mental right? That means ones mind is not in order, you know, like the average everyday person?

That means we should be trying to fix them, to find a way to treat them that isn't through genital mutilation. The problem is that they are trying to normalize it, instead of fix it.

Being Bi-Polar isn't normal, being a Schizophrenic isn't normal. It's not healthy human behavior. It results in forcing yourself to be unable to reproduce.

We fuck, we socialize, we eat, we shit, and we sleep. We even war and fight. That is nature. When we try to keep ourselves from reproducing, eating, shitting, sleeping, fighting, and protecting our race can't continue.

Therefore, this shouldn't be seen as functional human behavior, I am not saying kill them because that doesn't solve the overlying problem.

But why should I care either way? Is it really that important?

Muh oppression, muh patriarchy, muh choice

Clearly, I should have it done and others should pay for it. I'd make a cute cripple.

Why should I care about those things? Is there a reason I should concern myself with functional human behavior?

What is the reason that I should pay for it?

You're clearly autistic, so no. Just focus on Minecraft or whatever the fuck you care about.

Yeah, I'm also skeptical about these 'activists' who are in the media saying they shouldn't be subjected to appointments etc. with doctors before getting hormone therapy, but should basically just be given it immediatly. And the left is always looking for people to lead astray with identity politics. Still, all this talk about degeneracy doesn't really convince me either. It seems to me to be an extremely complex question laying directly on the crossroads between genetics, psychology, culture, and free will which makes it so hard to figure out what is what. When things are so hard to figure out, the most prudent approach in my opinion is to 'live and let live', although of course with reservations.

Muh feels

Well clearly you aren't a functioning human being or you'd realize that the human race's overlying purpose is to simply continue to exist.

Perhaps, if you do not care about it you should be fixed as well. Being unable to understand this clearly shows you have a problem.

If you do not want to be fixed then you should keep your mouth shut and fingers still or be exterminated.

1. The alleviation of suffering.
2. The improvement of ourselves and our species, which will increase our happiness and give future humans more opportunities

>saying they shouldn't be subjected to appointments etc. with doctors before getting hormone therapy, but should basically just be given it immediatly
Which is pure fucking insanity. I've already outlined the most basic medical issues with the stuff, so I won't repeat it. Anyone ignoring this is severely delusional, or just has an agenda.

There's nothing wrong with your approach to things. You're mainly right. For the most part, on an individual level, everyone should just focus on themselves and not be concerned if the weirdo down the street wants to transition.

But this problem is on a societal and a medical level. It has to be accepted as an illness so there can be a proper cure for people who recognize it as such. After that, if someone still wants to ignore that cure and transition anyway, well then fucking let them because who cares? They're likely going to commit suicide anyway because of their choice. But at least there was a choice. I and many others had no choice for a normal life.

I'm not a tranny and I've had sex with women with real vaginas before
might even have kids one day

The question I don't have an answer to is why continuing to exist is important?

Why should I care about future humans?

If someone has an urge to be a woman I don't believe that's morally wrong I do see a problem in people giving on to their dick urges. But it doesn't make them evil or worthy of punishment, if it were up to me their treatment would be given for free by the tax payer to help them lead a healthy life. I support whatever decreases their suicide rate, and I believe it to be what I said, if I'm wrong then let then dress like women.

>treatment would be given for free by the tax payer to help them lead a healthy life
Wouldn't you rather that money being put toward finding a proper treatment? That way it could be actually cured instead of giving someone a lifetime of hormone treatments and medical issues in hopes of staving off the suicidal thoughts it creates.

Yeah I support funding help for the mentally ill a lot.

I never said you were a tranny. I just said you had a problem if you couldn't understand why the human race should continue its existence and fix mental problems that do not coincide with survival and reproduction.

Note that I said fixed as well. You have a problem of not seeing why Transgendered people should be fixed and seen as people with problems, rather than being glorified.

You have a mental problem, so it should be fixed. Humanity must thrive and survive and those who seek to actively dismantle this should be fixed, quiet, or exterminated.

Why should you care for anything in this world? Why should Caesar cross the Rubicon? Because you want to.

Do you also sit in a social situation, whining 'why should I care about these people?ยด. The answer is, you're free in that situation to make some fun for everyone, create a situation like you want it to. You don't look for meaning in things, you create it.

I don't see anything wrong with trannies.

you aint dead yet user

I don't agree with this.

I'm not, and that's because I transitioned. I'll still never live a really normal life. I'm lucky enough to pass with flying colors as a woman, but not everyone is. I'm also lucky enough to have a partner who supported me through everything and has still stayed with me even though she thought I was just a normal guy when we started dating. Almost no transperson has something like that. They fill that void by just fucking each other because nobody else wants them. It gets very destructive very fast.

I've gotten dealt a decent hand with the whole thing, but I'm worried about other people, kids who have the illness and could be cured before it becomes an issue.

Okay.

Because mentally ill people are unstable and dangerous. It's why we used to lock them up in asylums.

good, keep your head up and in the game

Pumping yourself full of hormones and undergoing dangerous surgery are medical procedures that require the party to be "of sound mind" when agreeing to them. Since transgenderism is a mental illness, one cannot be "of sound mind" when agreeing to those procedures.

Furthermore, the normalization of transgenderism in society encourages impressionable children and otherwise mentally weak people (Chris-chan, for example) to undergo these irreversible procedures. If an edgy teen gets a few piercings, they can be removed when he grows up. If an edgy teen mainlines E and cuts off his dick he's fucked when he inevitably changes his mind as an adult. Reminder that nearly all trannies kill themselves before age 40.