So, why the fuck don't most Americans feel the same sort of shame about the Vietnam war as Germans do about WW2...

So, why the fuck don't most Americans feel the same sort of shame about the Vietnam war as Germans do about WW2, for example?

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Why should we give a shit about dead commies?

Cause Vietnam war was not done with the purpose of completely exterminating a race

Goddamn, Holocaust was not a war, they're not even comparable.

We are shameless.

The germans tried to exterminate a race and taking control of the world, the americans just tried to kill an ideology and do the same. Retarded at another plane

Because we are hypocrites that don't value human life.

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Because the Germans did more than lose the game, they lost the right to play again for a very long time. The Americans lost nothing but pride and a few GI's, they were never held accountable by an outside force. Don't forget all those bastard Vietnamese kids still being born with disfigurements cos of the chemical weapons the USA freely used.

But Vietnamese aren't human.

>Goddamn, Holocaust was not a war, they're not even comparable.

He wasn't talking about the Holocaust, you mongoloid. He was talking about WW2.

Also you had genocide and slavery as well.

implying we germans feel any shame in 2017

Vietnam was fought far away from America. Most didn't give a shit about it or about the soldiers upon their return.

Yet the Indians and Africans in our country is still lazy af

Maybe Mongolia should apologize and pay reparations on what they did on parts of Asia and Europe

>cos of the chemical weapons the USA freely used

That's ok. Agent Orange has come back to destroy America.

you don't actually history much do you?

Actually no we don't.

Maybe some leftists.

Because fighting against communism was the right thing to do, whereas fighting for national socialism was the wrong thing to do.

Those of us 50 and older have some pretty strong feelings about Vietnam still.

Huge amount of us were completely against the war, unfortunately imperialism was the thing to do for the US since WW2.

I feel more shame about the state sponsored genocide of the native Americans during the 1800s. It was largely glossed over during school in favor of exciting stories about exploration and the tough life of settlers.

Shit Columbus day is still a federal holiday, what a fucking joke.

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>>cos of the chemical weapons the USA freely used
>That's ok. Agent Orange has come back to destroy America.

Woh auch die nicht mehr, komm schon damit haben wir ja eh nichts mehr zu tun.

>Because fighting against communism was the right thing to do

But Russia did beat you. They now run America.

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Because we were asked to help by the legitimate Vietnam government. Gen X'er here.

America: fighting communism and the red chinese via proxy, the most murderous ideology and regime in history
Germany: gassing children and murdering fags and old men and women for national socialism

eben

A 50 year old guy (or to say someone born in 1966-67) was a small child during Vietnam, doubt he cared about anything except watching cartoons back then.

>what a hero

You know, where I life there used to be mandatory military service. I am a conscientious objector and did my alternative service in a school for mentally handicapped children. So I still served my country more than Donald Trump ever did.

Because Vietnam was in no way comparable to WW2, and it was not at all a popular war. The Germans rallied behind their government. Americans did not. Even people within the American government were strongly, and vocally opposed to the war.

this post screams cum gargling
>there was no imperialism
>there was no policiy of genocide
>Columbus was a man of his era, not a 21st century metrosexual white guilt machine

>Even people within the American government were strongly, and vocally opposed to the war.

The Vietnam war was a huge American fuckup, and we know now that Nixon is responsible for it dragging on for so long since he made sure the peace talks failed in 1968.

Deutsch?

As an American I only feel shame that we lost.

Name one country that hasn't done either of those things. Hell niggers were slaving each other before we got there. We just made it better.

fukkin saved. I hate the mindless "support the troops" propaganda. If the war is an unjust one, then the troops deserve no support.They're victims too in such a case.

America was called into Vietnam by France.

Here's an explanation.>Sup Forums

retard liberal never taking responsibility for liberal heroes like jfk and lbj's war spotted

you miss Bill O Reilly eh?

But you've lost every fight since WW2. You should be proud of being good losers.

>Name one country that hasn't done either of those things

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland.

This.

you can rest easy... we didn't lost
we weren't at war for vietnam, but for destroying communism
it was destroyed

>troops deserve no support.They're victims
went full retard

>LBJ held peace talks trying to end it in 1968
>Nixon sent a chink to monkey wrench the talks to help his election chances
>durrrr liberals deserve all the blame hurrrr

because the french forced us to be there, and the fact that the only good commie is a dead commie.

Different slaves. Still slaves. Raided and killed Christians and enslaved coastal people aka with the vikings.

ad hominem, try again sport

Wat

so suddenly in your book, victims don't need any support if they wear camo? as usual, your leftist bullshit make no sense

Never listen or watched his show. I just know my shit. Read a history book. That isn't biased and you'll learn too cucklord

Vikings

swiss?

If you don't feel the need to stand behind them. Then feel free to stand in front of them. I bet you wouldn't last 10secs in a combat zone.

>Fuck, I'm getting old. I remember when guys in their 50s grew up in the 1950s and got a nostalgia boner over Elvis.

My grandma told me about how the American's betrayed us in WW2 and fell into our back. I think the kinda got a few things mixed up there though.

you're missing the point, no surprise. If troops are sent to die for an unjust war, should we support them? No, of course not. We should hope that they come home alive and uninjured but their cause is unjust. They didn't start it, they were sent to die for political reasons. They're victims too.

See the original comic and think about it champ.

>parroting Bill O Reilly almost word for word
>pretends to never have watched his show
yeah and well-read people commonly use such words as "cucklord". Riiiight

jfk was not a liberal.
liberal was used mostly to describe economic policy back then retard.

>jfk a cold warrior
>lbj ratchets up war and resigns from failure
>Nixon takes over, casualties continue
>time to blame GOP

>bush gets us into Iraq and Afghanistan
>obama takes over, casualties continue
>time to blame GOP

Sense a pattern?

don't force a false choice. You're missing the point. If our troops are forced to fight an unjust war, why should I support them? Explain it to me if you can child.

I know it's hard to break free of propaganda and think for yourself, since you were probably raised in the post 9/11 hysteria in which police, firefighters, and troops are all saints among men who can do no wrong, but ffs think independently for once in your life.

retards like you deserve no support because you're a victim of genetics
or as you say, victims deserve no support

tell that to all the dead babies in the middle east

What did America have to do with the Vietnam war? That's the other side of the Earth from America. Stop making shit up.

false history. Look up the Haldeman memos and educate yourself before you make yourself look like a fool anymore.

ad hominem, try again sport

holy shit
Sweden made the slave trade illegal in 1813, but allowed slavery until October 9, 1847.

>pointing out the absurdity of my claim is a personal insult
try again, tiger

They do when you bring nothing of value to a discussion

>your love for viet cong "farmers" who just happened to be armed with AKs and RPGs
>If troops are sent to die for an unjust war, should we support them? No, of course not
i don't even know how to reply to ignorance on this level. how do you maintain contradictions like this without your head exploding?

I bet you think JFK wanted to pull us out of Vietnam and you blame his assassination by a Marxist on right-wing conspirators

sigh, these damn millennials raised in the Bush era...our soldiers are literally gods among men to you aren't they?

don't put words in my mouth. I never said JFK or LBJ were blameless re: Vietnam. However, LBJ tried to end it early. Nixon made sure it went on for years, resulting in tens of thousands more dead, including US soldiers.

>hurrr blame the liberals for everything durrrr

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Key word. They are forced to. So your saying you don't support any victims of any crimes? I hope your family gets raped and no-one feels any sympathy. They didn't chose to fight it. Yet they have to and have to deal with the consequences. Which is more than you will ever have to do. Have you ever been .01 seconds from taking another's life? Or even remotely close?

The US has continually fought idealogical wars because the countries weren't doing what we wanted them too. We do not need to be the world police squad.

There may not have been a literal policy of genocide but the government continually invaded the native lands in the name of settling. Continual treaty violations, giving diseased blankets, etc.

I'm not saying anything about Columbus himself, but no reason to celebrate him with a holiday.

I was born in January 66 and had two brothers who were there. I was in the third grade when Saigon fell. POW/MIA posters were ubiquitous in schools, churches, etc., throughout my childhood. I was almost 12 when Carter pardoned draft Dodgers and men came home.

I'm 51. I remember Vietnam, as does my wife of the same age, whose father served two tours.

sorry pal, i'm a bit older and wiser than that

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>confirmed for middle schooler indulging in rape fantasies
another asshat trying to put words in my mouth. You seem to think the a lack of support means I hate them and hope the worst for them, even though I have already said they deserve pity for being forced to fight unjust wars.

Because "it was our god-given duty to prevent the spread of com-yoo-nizim,the personification of evil"

I didn't participate. I didn't vote to elect the president at the time. Why the fuck would I?

>his assassination by a Marxist on right-wing conspirators

Oswald worked for the CIA and the FBI and was ordered by Hoover to assassinate Kennedy because Kennedy wanted to fire him.

lol lies. soldiers are just perfect to you because the republican party told you so

24 year old navy vet yo. To busy working for a living in this fucked economy you left us to read every word. I have more important things to do than to listen to the prattle of old men

Because it was part of a legitimate worldwide battle against communism. Vietnam had it's own battle over the subject and we became the patrons of our own side. A proxy war to be sure but nothing like the aggressive territorial expansions and all-or-nothing ideologies of WW2.

Also many Americans regret or deride Vietnam, the phrase "Vietnam Vet" is synonymous with drug addiction, alcoholism and homelessness punctuated by the idea those things are a result of trauma literally forced upon them by the government. There's a generally negative opinion of it more so than any other war. I am speaking as a Californian here, though.

I think Germany feels too strongly about WW2, it's ruining their politics. Merkel should have known mathematically and sociologically her immigration policies would instantiate a crisis. Bitch gave a mouse a cookie and now it's asking for a glass of milk. Stop acting like you're St.Francis, Germany.

And to finish replying what you started that's exactly what support the troops means

I think you're confused. I'm not a Republican so I take no ownership for the supposedly shitty economy

>doubt he cared about anything except watching cartoons back then.
you're full of shit. we were more than just the cartoon watching assholes you guys turned out to be. back then, we had a real awareness of the world around us, even at a young age. we had a fucking war going on that could have sucked our older brothers or friends in, so we really paid attention. not like nentendo or xbox or playshit attention. real world attention.

which I had already stated clearly, shit-for-brains

The war in vietnam was openly opposed even when it was going on. Plus, what a retarded thing to say because you can't presume to know the mind of how many people all at once.

because they have a violent, egomaniacal culture.

>we had a stupid fucking war going on
fixed that for you old man

Americans never regret wars because they have to believe they're always the good guys.

>I'm not a Republican so I take no ownership for the supposedly shitty economy
typical duhhuh that thinks the president makes an economy single handedly.. policies craft the economy over years, not just one guy

>not like nentendo or xbox or playshit attention. real world attention.
yee to propaganda, well done

except when a democrat is in office eh?

Hey, we got a war equally important going on. A war to get all 437 (and counting) genders recognized. Won't someone think of the poor transnigger pavement-kins?

citation needed young man. it ain't true just because you say it. i'm sure your teacher told you that. try living through it maybe you would gain some insight